We just picked up this book at a second hand store. I remember some people here talking about it. Am I right in my memory?
Antoni

yes it's a body therapy "somatic Expericing" from Saul L:evine who does a lot of work with this. A lot of therapies have osme similar characteristics like I read stuff in his book that reminds me of Mindfulness as well.

I think in some long ago past post, we have talked about this book, saul levine, body/somatic therapies in the science section? or somewhere else. Maybne you can find it ... I know it was on waking the tiger... might have named it that or something related to somatic expereicing. I know shrinklady went to a conference on this as well.

It's a fascinating book. I was left with a lot of questions from it though because I notice he doesn't really address developmental/childhood traumas but said he would in another book because a lot of what he says applies to trauma expereince as an adult.

I would like to fi nd out of he did write this book yet and if not, Im curious abnout the particular differences.

always reminds me of thisew thingt that try to have you go back to 'pre[trauma' times to see how yuou were or how yuou changed or how things felt and obviously for many of us with develoopmental trauma do not have that state to compare to and furthermore had develiomental stages completely altered so we dont have the same availbility of mental resources the way a traumatixed adult would.

you wil, have to tell me what you think of this book. I know my therapist is reading it. I should ask her what she thinks. It all makes a lot of sense to me.. not particulary saul levine but the entire idea of needing to process trauma somatically or with the body or basically beyong the typical cognitive/talk therapy approaches because none of these discharge the energy of the traumas and body therapies seek to do this.

Izzie

I haven't heard the term 'developmental trauma' before. But i think it's a great one! I mean, it makes a lot of sense for us, and in our system, anyhow... Samy is 'poking about' so i gotta go see what's up :P
Antoni/Scott

I too like or appreciate the term 'developmental trauma'

I have read it a few times in various places but it's not often or commonly used. I'm not sure why. I think because it takes a slight step further in critical thinking for people to understand over childhood trauma yet developmental trauma to me really hits the nail on the head so to speak. Not only because of developmental ages in the literal sense but also it gives rise to the thought abouyt the implications of such trauma during primary stages of development. I feel like childhood denotes being a child but you don't necessarily think about the bio-developmental or psycho developmental aspects whereas the term developmental does or can lend itself to that sort of reasoning.

It's def perfect for DID to me because of the fact that insiders are along that developmental continuium.

ANyways, ttyl

I keep typing and I really shouldn't be! =/

exactly! that's why we have such a variety of ages as well as genders (HA! ok... only two genders...) some are 'stuck' at an age but want to get older , and others 'get older' , some get older to a point... then stop aging, and some don't WANT to get older... some younger ones created older ones to help them out. and some are too young to really 'get' what's going on (like... the body is how old??)

I've just read the first chapter, and i really like the idea of the freeze... ok, i've heard it before, but now it sunk in more. And, if I understand correctly, if you stay in the 'freeze' you don't work through the trauma. SO makes sense to me!

We've gone over memories and more memories, over and over it seems.. and yet sometimes still feel stuck at a place... the freeze...

now to figure how to get it out of the body.

Antoni/Scott

(p.s. notice how we often are typing together nowdays? we are finding it an interesting change...)

oh... and thanks for commenting BW, hope your aches and pains ease up a bit... and anyone else in cyber-land... feel free to join the convo! Please join
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hope your aches and pains ease up a bit...

Hey there...

I'm sure it wasn't meant to be offensive but I thought I should say something because I'm in a confrontational mood lately. Thoght my therapist was mad at me. I called her. Wrote an old friend a long letter basicaly telling her off, it felt GREAT....

anywyas,that being said.... I feel that 'aches and pains' is quite the words of minimilizing.

I wish that what I was dealing with was Just 'aches and pains' but I tell you, it is Not.... it's long term chronic irretractable pain. I have it 24/7 and have been dealing with physical pain since I was a little girl hopwever it's much worse.

I'm 30 and stuck on morphine as well as vicoden for break through pain.. really Strong narcotics and that does not take my pain away. It makes it bearable most times.....

Most of my joints muscles hurt and I have some nerve pain as well. I take like 9 medications to manage my chronic illnesses and

it's not just 'aches and pains'

okay....

Butterfly warrior

ok... didn't mean to offend... my apologies
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BW,
I'm really sorry, you've mentioned chronic pain but I didn't know it was that bad. Having used both morphine and vicoden for short term pain management, I can't imagine the level of pain that you're in that those two drugs only make it bearable. I'm not the nicest person when I'm in constant pain (ok, I snap people's heads off LOL!) so I really appreciate your patience. Thanks for letting us know you feel that way.

AG

yeh... I'm sorry for being completely crabby....

I'm having severe insurance problems as in not currently covered at all and cant get my meds refilled until next month so far.... so i have been n half my dose of pain meds for nearly a month now and I think the lack of sleep and increased pain is REALLY getting to me.

Dude- Im sure it wasn't meant as an offence.... I know... im just crabby about it and I guess whenever someone has used the term 'aches and pains' with me it has been in a negative minimlizing context which sets me off because it sounds so invalidating.

It's kinda like when I tell people I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and they give me this look like they totally understand and tell me' "Ohh yeh.... I have arthritis too.... my knees hurt soo bad when it rains"

frankly when people say that to me I have to bite my tounge not to yell at them that

um.. yeh.. that's A) Osteoarthritis and B) My Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis si a Systemic Autoimmune disease causing me pain, rain, shine, sleet, 24 hours a day , 7 times a week and not only does it cause pain but also affects several of my organs like my heart. lungs, eyes and yeh.... you DONT understand" ....

I've never said any of this to anyone.. just thought it in my head when they say that. I think I told one person recently that my disease is autoimmune, not just something that happens when it rains and they just sorta stared at me with a look of they totallyh didnt get it

Im just crabby and trying hard not to take it out on others but its really REALLY a challenge lately because I feel so angry, frustrated and tired not to mention not enough sleep.

thanks for undestanding

I hate vicoden.... its for breakthrough pain when the ms contin (morphine) fails to work as well. IT doesnt give me side effects but the vicoden does. I also take antiseizure medication to help the nerve pain and a muscle relxant and so on. Pain sucks...

anyways... thanks for listening

and Samy, Im not mad at Scott... got your IM .. havent been online all day....

Hello

"I've never said any of this to anyone.. just thought it in my head when they say that. I think I told one person recently that my disease is autoimmune, not just something that happens when it rains and they just sorta stared at me with a look of they totallyh didnt get it"

Few can ever understand our experience unless they have experienced our circumstances. Personally speaking I have increasingly let go of my expectation that others will understand my experience -- when they don't it does not hurt as much.

Mark Weiss www.counselingbook.com

you new here Mark? nice to 'meet' you.

Scott

Hi Mark-

I've heard others say they will tell people 'it's an autoimmune disease" lol......... i think I actually read that in a book some place but I have never tried it because I think it's just pointless.

That's good you have been able to increasingly let go of expectations of others to understand your expereince.... im working on that... it's just hard.... especialy when you sit in a wheelchair and people look, stare and sometimes dare to ask and than are stupid about it. Uninformed.. or whatever. I truly believe that the media has lead to the misconception that Arthritis is just an old persons disease' or something that is mild, etc.

But I agree, the less you expect from others, the easier life gets ... which is also sad...

I used to be the type of person that took everything as a teaching moment and enjoyed it... than i started dealing with depression and instead tend to feel annoyed and tired of explaining.. lol. .

Anyways, thank you for your input and welcome...

Hi Butterfly Warrior, man every time I hear about your current situation I just have a hard time imagining what it must be like for you. I don't want to be reminding you (I'm currently writing an article about being triggered) but I was curious if it eases up at all? Does it get worse over time? I was also wondering if you got another therapist?

I missed the discussion about development traumas. I often use the term "developmental gaps" in my work with clients. I remember it from my training in somatic experiencing. I reference it to normalize the fact that "most of us, can't get away without some developmental gaps". It's less triggering...there's that word again...especially until folks are ready to reconcile the fact that they've likely been traumatized by their early experience.

What I found interesting from my training is that whatever developmental stage a truama occurs in, it creates a block in the normal learning cycle. So for instance, until a trauma is resolved, it can slow down an individual's growth for that particular stage of development.

The stage of development theory that I find really useful in this regards is the Bodynamic system. It's body-based and emotion-based. It addresses things like autonomy, need, will structure etc. all the stuff that typically shows up in therapy.

Shrinklady

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What I found interesting from my training is that whatever developmental stage a truama occurs in, it creates a block in the normal learning cycle. So for instance, until a trauma is resolved, it can slow down an individual's growth for that particular stage of development

interesting! especially with 'little' (that is, younger insiders) around. it makes total sense i think. they aren't very trusting, and quite fearful of being hurt.

scott