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Today was three years that I began therapy with my current T and met him for the first time. I remember it like yesterday, despite the haze of active trauma I was struggling with after the abrupt abandonment of oldT. I remember my T walking out of his office coming over to shake my hand and handing me paperwork to fill out. I was unable to find a picture of him on line and had no idea what to expect. When I saw him I had the shock of realizing he was not oldT. That I was really seeing a T that was not oldT. And that was the last time I was able to actually "see" my T for months. Oh I went to session but I was unable to see him or to have any memory of what he looked like. I could only remember his calm, deep voice.

So today I gave him a card to tell him how much he meant to me and to thank him for taking me in and nurturing me. He seemed to like the card and then turned to tell me that his old professor used to say that after 3 years is when you begin to do work in therapy. Then he said that it was time that we got to work. I looked at him in surprise and he amended that by saying I went through a lot of difficult life events this year. I said yeah having C die was not on my agenda, nor having health problems which had me in the hospital for an invasive and triggering procedure.

He then addressed the email I sent him last week full of despair and hopelessness. Telling him how difficult I was finding it to go back to work after a session and that I felt I could not move forward because I had to swing so drastically from left brain to right brain and back again. His response email was very kind and helpful and he said we would have to look at the way we worked in session and maybe make some changes. So today he addressed the changes.

It was hard to sit there and listen to him. He asked a few questions and then told me that I was doing the opposite of what I was supposed to be doing. I was remaining so composed and contained in session that he had no idea I was so distraught when I would leave him and then I would fall to pieces outside of therapy. I should be falling to pieces inside the therapy room with him there to contain me and help me process what I was trying to process all alone out side of session. He said it was understandable because I was so used to having to do everything on my own since childhood. It was me trying to keep control and do therapy on my own. He told me I needed to cry and scream in session and then allow him to help superglue me back together until next time so I can function better in real life. I told him that I didn't believe he could help me. He said he believed he could but that if he couldn't then he would find me someone else who could. that scared the shit out of me. I told him it was not him but anyone. He said I had to allow us to work as a team and collaborate. He remarked that I was more open with him in the beginning and now that I am somewhat recovered from the initial trauma I am trying to stay in control.

He told me he wants to try to work this out before moving my time. I told him I don't know what to do and he said to just come in and tell him what I am afraid of. I am just so frozen with fear to tell him what I'm thinking or feeling and being rejected by my last T is not helping. I want to reach out to him but something is stopping me. I feel like I'm doing things all wrong and I am feeling so wrong and so stupid about this. I used to think I knew how to do therapy but I guess I was wrong. I am left trying to figure out how to put this all back together and I just feel so lost.


I know that in order to build trust with him I have to trust him with my heart and take that huge risk to step off the cliff hoping he will be there to catch me.

Does any of this resonate with anyone else?

Thanks
TN
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Hi (((TN)))

Your post does resonate with me. I traveled back to the moment when NewT handed me paperwork and I am filling it out so angry that she is not OldT, that this is OldT's office, and I shouldn't really have been there. I looked at her shoes for the first year, and it wasn't until recently I looked into her eyes...I even looked into her eyes once last month through tears.

I find myself in the same place; trying to remain in control in therapy, but then kind of unraveling after I leave. I don't have the courage to let it out, or express it in the immediate fashion. This definitely is due to how I was raised. It's not that I don't feel it, it is just there are times I hesitate. I fear punishment. I fear abandonment. Although, our T's have said that they are there and they have proven that over the past years we've worked together that they REALLY are, it's still hard to leave those feelings behind of "what if I do this, and THIS is what sends him/her over the edge? This is that final straw." I struggle with that A LOT.

I strongly want to reach out to her. I feel it each and every time I am with her in that room. I clam up and get scared. You and I both are not wrong or stupid for feeling this way. It makes sense when you look at what we've experienced before. It makes absolute sense that reaching out would create fear in our hearts because we are so aware of the pain of reaching out and having someone take a step back. Yet, something inside of me knows and I am sure you also feel this, but the T's we have today are nothing like those that we have left behind. They are constant, steady, and affirming of us as individuals. They understand where we've been, how far we've come and they can truly celebrate those successes with us. They understand the sadness and the pain of the events in our lives that have affected us, the great losses we have experienced in our lives and they can now look at our face as we enter that room and know, just know immediately how we are doing.

Risk. Yes, you speak of risking and taking huge steps, falling freely knowing he will catch you. Yes, it's a risk. Love is a risk. Life is a risk. I think the best we can do is look at what has happened in that relationship, look at all that has been proven and step off the cliff and release ourselves into their arms. They are going to catch us, but honestly I think our wings are so much more developed that we might just take off soaring with them flying right there beside us....

Thinking of you..

I read both your posts and reflected how the experience and your comments affected me. I wrote some things out for my T and it ended up being quite a major email with some breakthrough moments for me. So thank you both. You just never know when anyone's comments help another person.

I am not sure I feel that I am in control with therapy and that is why I shut down and unravel after each and every session, but I feel intense pressure to use the time while I am safe with my T as once I leave I don't get her for days or a week. In my week - I experience about 2 weeks of 'normal people time' - and so so much trauma, experience and hard stuff is packed into one of my weeks. So i need to use my time wisely. I never do. It isn't because I am scared to talk or want to control it - rather than I think it might be the last time I see my T as she might leave or die. I think I turn up to each session thinking that T will never come back again. It is all about my old T terminating me, but also that something will happen to T and she will die. There is a link to some grief issues in my past that is causing this, but T and I don't know how to overcome it other than her reassuring me that she is healthy and planning to be with me for the very long term. Anyway both your posts helped me think about issues in a new way.

If my T had said the comments that yours did TN, I would be more than scared shitless - I think I couldn't turn up to a few sessions. It would have really triggered me badly.

Did it come across as a threat? or did he say it with kind intentions and a kind demeanour? Would have rocked my brain.It is good that he will try a few things out with you so you are ready to leave him and be partly functional in your work, but changing session times would help a lot too.

somedays
Hey TN,

Sounds like a half decent T you've got there. It's scary, this love thing, from T's. I can't stop trying to figure that out too, with my head that is and then I realize that the only way to understand is with my heart, and that is sooooo scary.
I don't have any advice for you, girl, just loads of resonating vibes.
FWIW, my T got to some really scary shit tonight and contained me in the most wonderful way. i'm exhausted but feel a peace inside I haven't felt in a long, long time.
I wish us all some of that peace. We're entitled to it Hug two
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Haha. Because it's the easiest thing in the world to do, right? Because those words will just roll off your tongue, right? And because you can trust him to respond favorably every time, right?


Thanks for this, Monte. I will remember these words next time I am beating myself up post-session for not opening up in the way I would have liked to. Excellent tangent too. It made a lot of sense to me Smiler

TN, your post strongly resonates with me too. I think personally I would struggle with the kind of directness your T sometimes exhibits - but I own and recognise my own need to set the pace and manner of my own therapy. I am definitely a softly, softly, need leading to the water kind of client. Anything I perceive as too directive sends me running for the hills faster than you can say 'ruptured therapeutic alliance'.

I get what he is saying to you. I also try to solve a lot of my issues outside of the room, especially if something has gone on in there that has upset me. I recognise that being down to having to be quite self-reliant, emotionally.

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I am just so frozen with fear to tell him what I'm thinking or feeling and being rejected by my last T is not helping. I want to reach out to him but something is stopping me. I feel like I'm doing things all wrong and I am feeling so wrong and so stupid about this.


I feel like this a lot. It is so hard to hold on to the fact that there is no 'right' way to do therapy. The things you feel are there for a reason and I honestly don't think you are doing things wrong. It is immensely difficult to unlearn the behaviour laid down when we were young, especially since it kept us safe. These pathways were laid down early and changing them takes time.

One of the things I have been trying to do is take calculated risks. All the evidence I have points to my own T being competent, trustworthy and caring. I do not feel it in my heart, at least, I get snatches of connection that sort of fade in and out. I am trying to do some things anyway, even though it feels immensely threatening to do that. What I keep having to tell myself is that I am not the person I was several years ago and I have more resources than I did back then to deal with any unforseen therapy-related fallout. I have variable success with this!

With regard to the stepping off the cliff feeling. How much have you guys talked about that? I'm wondering if spending some more time walking around in that feeling together before you start thinking about taking the leap might make it feel more manageable?

Thinking of you.
Hi, TN.

This resonated so deeply I actually shared this portion with my T:

"I was remaining so composed and contained in session that he had no idea I was so distraught when I would leave him and then I would fall to pieces outside of therapy. I should be falling to pieces inside the therapy room with him there to contain me and help me process what I was trying to process all alone out side of session. He said it was understandable because I was so used to having to do everything on my own since childhood. It was me trying to keep control and do therapy on my own. He told me I needed to cry and scream in session and then allow him to help superglue me back together until next time so I can function better in real life. I told him that I didn't believe he could help me. He said he believed he could but that if he couldn't then he would find me someone else who could. that scared the shit out of me. I told him it was not him but anyone. He said I had to allow us to work as a team and collaborate. He remarked that I was more open with him in the beginning and now that I am somewhat recovered from the initial trauma I am trying to stay in control."

And he agreed that I am prone to controlling things -- my feelings, but he also recognizes that he can't just say that I need to trust him more, and expect me to flip an internal switch and make it happen. I so wish I could. It seems like it would make therapy so much more effective, efficient and easy. He continues to tell me that this is just part of the process, working it out with someone who is willing to take whatever I have to give whenever I can give it, no matter how horrible, messy or painful it may be.

I don't understand it at all, but it feels like the right thing, so I do my best to press on. Your analogy was a cliff. The best I can do right now is likening it to dipping my toe in the water and maybe if I'm feeling particularly brave, wading up to my knees before bolting.

Happy T Anniversary, TN (belated though it is).

Thank you everyone for your responses which I really appreciated and re-read a few times. I'm really sorry I haven't been back here to respond to your thoughtful posts.

Hi Ainsley... it's obvious you know how I felt with T in the beginning. But he would not allow me to look at his shoes. He kept telling me to look at his face. I did but I was out of focus and I still could not "see" him. There is definitely that fear of punishment. Some of that comes from therapy with oldT and some from my parents. It was hard to know what to say to them to avoid huge argument or worse. That keeps me mute about a lot of things. Your last paragraph made me teary. Yes, love is a risk and so is life. I wish I was brave enough to risk loving T but right now he seems so far away and that risk seems deadly. I hope one day that will change.

Hi SD.... glad to be able to help you with a breakthrough. I hope it was a productive one. It's not easy to hear a lot of what my T says to me. He can be very imposing and formidable and sometimes it hurts because I long for more nurturing and gentleness. I also feel that it's hard to use my time to the utmost because when it get there I'm so anxious and tied up in knots that I cannot organize my thoughts well enough to say anything that makes sense. It's getting worse lately. I also know that having C die so unexpectedly and having left him on terms that were less than the best is playing havoc with my security with T.

I know that Monte wrote something here and something wonderful and I wish I could respond to her. I hope she comes back again because I miss her insight and sharing nature.

Hi Hollow... I also freeze up. I sometimes feel that my T has such high expectations of me that I cannot possibly live up to them. I get so anxious about doing it perfectly that I end up frozen and speechless lately or I divert to things that feel safe like talking about work or parenting.

Hi Shaman... thanks for responding. I'm glad to hear you felt some peace tonight. It's a good thing when T can contain you after some heavy work. I think my problem is that I don't trust him to be able to contain me. I have left him so many times feeling wildly uncontained. I think it's both our faults. Sometimes I can look so composed and smiley when I leave he has NO idea.

Hi TK... I guess we all have to step off that cliff at some point in therapy. Trusting is so hard.

Hi Mallard... thank you for your post. My T can be very directive and it's upsetting at times but I realize that this is his style and if I want to stay with him I need to work with it. I just wish he was a bit more warm and fuzzy. He often reminds me that I am not in control of therapy, he is. I'm not sure if he thinks that gives me comfort or he wants me to learn to give up some illusion that I can control therapy or life in general.

About calculated risks. I'm going to talk more about that when I get to my next thread. A few things have happened.

Outsider... I'm so glad this conversation has helped you and you could feel comfortable enough to share it with your T. Right now I'd be happy with a toe dip. My T tells me he will handle and take whatever I can give him but I'm still not convinced and he seems to feel that we have a long enough history to help me feel comfortable but I just don't just yet.

Hi Ninn... glad to see you back. Feel free to share and I hope it can help you and your T work better together.

Thanks again everyone.

TN

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