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NewT and I had another really good connecting session today. He always comes out to shake my hand in reception and then tells me to go in and he takes a short walk. When I walked in I immediately saw that he closed the blinds on both windows for me. That was so sweet that he remembered that and I felt at ease. Then I noticed that he has some small plaques of recognition on his bookshelf for working with family and youth services on behalf of kids. Another plus for him.

We talked about a lot of things but bascially I told him that I had this weird compulsion to keep talking about what happened to me with oldT going back to that traumatic day but also the weeks following what happened. He said it was not weird at all but quite normal and he notices that I do not talk about the same thing but I talk to him about what happened from all the different perspectives of my life. How it impacted my relationship with my son, how it impacted my job, my schooling, my social life, how hard it was to find a new T etc.

We talked about abandonment and terminations and fears that patients have. Told him a bit about Mac and how a discussion opened about that we need to talk to our Ts now about termination and how they handle it. He said what happened to me and Mac was NOT termination but abandonment which is definitely unethical and talking to a T about termination (aside from how they handle the normal phase out of therapy when you feel you are done) would not prevent abandonments. He said the most important thing to look for are those "red flags". Is the T consistent? Does he get defensive? Does he blame the patient for things? Does he maintain consistent, ethical boundaries? Are all your feelings accepted? Things like that.

We talked about out of session contact/emailing. He is very much in favor of it and finds that it greatly helps the client and he does not want me to suffer if he can take a few minutes to reply to an email that will hold me over for a few days. He told me that my emails are a pleasure to read, as they are concise and they ask focused questions. He said they are very easy to respond to and then he very much enjoys the feedback I give him on how they help me and what he said that I found calming or reassuring. He is also good with getting phone calls. But he said no texting with a smile. He said he hates texting and won't even allow his daughter to text him! Big Grin

He said he understands the ambivalence I've been battling with going to see him. He knows I miss oldT and his office. He said he knows I have this running battle in my head that I want to see him but I don't want to see him at the same time. I had to smile because that was so true... but more true in the beginning when I hated climbing those stairs to his office. When I would be so angry that I had to go there and not to oldT's warm cozy office. I told him that I am sitting there watching his every move and holding him at a distance. He said he knew and he understood and he feels that will change with time and trust. He can only keep doing what he is doing... listening, being consistent, being honest and authentic. I think it's working.

He has not received any response to his second request for a treatment summary from oldT and it's been 2 weeks now. I told him I am thinking of having a lawyer write a letter for me asking for a list of things that I need from oldT but cannot ask for myself because 1-he won't respond to my calls and 2- he sent me that letter saying I am not allowed to contact him. NewT thought that was a good idea and he is going to give me some names of lawyers. I want my file and my son's file and I want my belongings and for him to clear up my insurance paperwork. I will then decide if I want to take the next step. NewT says he is only concerned that oldT does not injure me again and that he wants to see me stronger before I "attempt" to see oldT again (which may never even happen). He said he is very protective of me and his work with me. That just feels so good. It's a huge thing that I've searched for all my life, the protection of a stronger and wiser other.

I told newT that I stayed with him in part because I liked his strength and that I needed to take some of that for me now because I lost mine. He said to take whatever I need from him and our relationship that will help me. We also touched on work and the dynamic with my boss (which is volatile). We talked about how to deal with abusers of any kind in life and how I react in the way that gets me hurt over and over again. He is quite astute at identifying patterns. I can also see that he is working with a general plan of treatment in mind. I know what he is doing and we talked about that I recognize this. How he is establishing a certain framework and laying the foundation for future work. It just gives me the sense that he knows what he is doing and we are not just meandering around not knowing what was happening in the therapy as I felt with oldT.

Towards the end I started talking about that last day when oldT abandoned me and called the cops on me and what I had said to him and the sequence of events. I had identified some new information, mostly through a really intense flashback that played out like a movie. As we talked about this new information I started to shiver and shake really badly and he noticed right away but he does not keep a blanket in his office (maybe I'll bring one to stash there as this happens to me when things get intense). He said that was from the trauma memory and the processing of it. He said it makes total sense what I told him and that this is not something a person could make up or invent. These are things that happened in the momemt without conscious thought. He said it was the small hurt child who was sitting in that car crying and my T scared and traumatized her by his actions that day.

As we were talking about this I realized my time was up and told him so and almost jumped out of my chair. He told me that I needed to let him do his job and I had to do mine. i asked him what that was and he said I needed to take a deep breath and calm myself down before leaving and he would decide when I could leave and that I would never be pushed out of his office before it was the right time to go no matter that the session ended. So I relaxed and took some breaths and we talked about scheduling appointments and I was able to pull myself together enough to leave. He praised me for my hard work and said he is very pleased at how far I have come. He shook my hand and patted my shoulder and wished me a good weekend. I see him Tuesday again.

I left there feeling really good. Good in the sense that I felt that we were very attuned and I have not felt that ... or allowed myself to feel attuned to any T since oldT. I felt good in the sense that I am hopeful we can work past the grief and fear and mistrust and get back to the therapy that needs to be done beyond the abandonment. I like him and I respect him and despite him saying that he is not a warm fuzzy kind of guy... I think he kinda is ... in his own fuzzy way. He reminded me to email him if I need him when I left.

So, it's all good for now. I'm starting to see hope and light and possibilities.

I also want to announce here that I have re -enrolled back into college and start my first class (not a psych class) tomorrow. I'm really scared about this and let's hope I have enough clarity of mind and focus to handle it.

Thanks,
TN
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Told him a bit about Mac and how a discussion opened about that we need to talk to our Ts now about termination and how they handle it.


It's so weird how you are now telling your newT about my termination when I remember a short time ago telling my T about your termination.

Also, I've been thinking about it and your T is totally right on it not mattering if termination is discussed beforehand because of abandonment vs. termination... I’ve been trying to remember all the times that my T and I talked about termination, and there were several. There was the time when I told him about your oldT and I remember him agreeing that your termination was unethical. Then there was also the time that I had a dream that my T invited me to his house and we started making out on the bed, then this man showed up at the door and my T introduced him to me and then we all sat down at a table to talk, and I was really scared of this new man but my T was sitting right next to me and helping me talk to him. I had no idea what the man showing up at the door was about, and my T gave me his interpretation that if anything at all happened where we could no longer continue our professional relationship, he would certainly refer me to someone else and stay with me through that process, and even though I would be scared of this new person, he would be there for me…… LIARRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

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I also want to announce here that I have re -enrolled back into college and start my first class (not a psych class) tomorrow.

This makes me hopeful Smiler
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I also want to announce here that I have re -enrolled back into college and start my first class (not a psych class) tomorrow. I'm really scared about this and let's hope I have enough clarity of mind and focus to handle it.



TN, that is totally wonderful news. Congratulations on having come so far in your healing, and good luck with the class.

J
TN,

The session sounded terrific. So glad you went and were able to talk to him. Sometimes I find I have a good session after a session when I feel kind of tongue-tied and full of doubts. Kind of like what happened to you?? Isn't that odd. It seesaws for me. Good session, okay session. I guess they all can't be amazing seesions. That would be nice!!!

HUGS

Liese
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like him and I respect him and despite him saying that he is not a warm fuzzy kind of guy... I think he kinda is ... in his own fuzzy way.
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I particulary liked this, TN. Him saying he`s not a "warm fuzzy" guy! By saying that he also makes it clear that he`s nothing like your old T i assume. And Yey for you going back to college! Hope your first class was good? I`ll bet youre a great student.

Thanks for sharing your session with us, TN, you always describe them so nuanced and good.
Thanks everyone for your kind and affirming words to me about newT and my therapy. I feel like some of the dark clouds have parted enough to let in a bit of light or enough space to I can take in the care and protection of NewT. I think when I was reliving that awful moment, when oldT charged at me while I was crying in the car, and newT saw the trauma, identified it and talked me through it... well I finally felt a connection and attunement to him. It was brief but strong enough to carry me through and it is still holding me today. I think I can make it to next Tuesday without a problem.

Thanks also for the good wishes for school. I'm taking Earth Science, which is quite a switch from Psych courses LOL. I did want to share another piece of good news... I was invited to apply to the Psi Chi which is the National Honor Society in Psychology. I was very excited to learn of this last night and it's quite an honor for me.

In addition, my little boy shared some of his own success with me last night. His teacher awarded him the Apple Award yesterday for all his efforts to make the new boy in his class feel welcome and to help him adjust to the new class and school. My son has come a long way in his social skills, something we all worked on with him in therapy and in therapy summer camp. I am very proud of him.

The sad part of all of this is that I am unable to share any of this good news with OldT, because of his letter to me forbidding any contact with him. He was a large part of both mine and my son's recent honors and it is sad that he cannot know about this nor share in knowing what good and success has come from the relationship. He has hurt himself by completly cutting off communications and contact with us and a loss for him.

TN
Hi TN



I am so happy about all of this but particularly the positive news about your son. Kids are wonderful in their capacity to cope and heal. And yes, it is very sad that you can't share this with oldT and the fact that you even want to is the part of your nature that makes you so special.

As for re-enrolling, hooray, whoohoo, yippee...
Love Pan
LG... I guess what I was trying to express is that it's very sad for OldT in that through his selfishness and meanness he is losing out on sharing the joy in the accomplishments of two long time clients. But maybe he wouldn't care anyway since it's not about him, but about us and how hard we worked to earn this.

Pan...I am really happy about my son. He is such a good little person and I really enjoy him so much. And yes, to be honest, I wish I could share this news with oldT because he really did help us for awhile and old habits are hard to break Frowner

Kashley... well done for you too as a member of Psi Chi... But... can you tell me how the heck to pronounce that? Is it sigh-chai (as in the tea LOL) or Chi as in Key or as in Kai? It's all Greek to me Big Grin

TN
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He said he knew and he understood and he feels that will change with time and trust. He can only keep doing what he is doing... listening, being consistent, being honest and authentic. I think it's working.


Oh- clearly that was my favorite part.

So so special about your son- you must be a proud mom! Smiler
Just wanted to post a short update for this week.

Saw newT twice and both sessions were really very good. He was clearly excited for me when I told him I started class this week and that I was invited to join Psi Chi (thanks Kashley for the pronunciation!) He told me I'd better join and he wants to see my certificate when I get it. That made me feel so darn good. Like Dad was proud of me. We talked about the remaining 5 classes I need to take to graduate. Then that led into a long discussion of my history and why I never got my 4 year degree or went further. He sadly looked at me during the story and said that I should be sitting in his chair... on that side of the room. Meaning I should have been able to finish school and be a T or whatever I wanted to be. Instead I am in a dead end job I don't like.

The history I revealed contained some difficult stuff that he didnt' know but I felt that he was safe enough to tell this to. That he would receive it well and help me to process it and not be afraid of my grief. We still have more to do on this but it was a good start. And the session before this one was also really intense and he made me feel cared for and heard and so that is why I decided to move ahead with things. I told him on Tuesday that I felt that the clouds had parted just enough to allow me to be able to take in what he was offering me. That I felt his care.

Obviously I am moving closer to him.

Today we talked about oldT some and newT said he is not tired of hearing about it he is just upset that I am still so hurt by what happened and we talked about how we heal from trauma. We talked a lot about attachment and how it manifests and what he sees and how it was working so well with oldT.

The BEST part of today was that he gave me his pen. The one he always uses which happens to be the kind of pen that I like too LOL. He gave it to me as a transitional object and I DID NOT have to ask him for it. He wanted me to have it because he understands. He understands so much of the turmoil in my head and I don't have to explain it nor do I have to defend it to him. He makes me feel so normal for having these feelings and responses and needs. I held onto the pen all during the session and he said he can see I'm not afraid of it or that what it represents (growing attachment). he said that is good. This man misses nothing!

I actually got the nerve to tell him that I am starting to attach to him. I just read a really good article on the phases of attachment and what that entails and what happens in the therapy. I feel I am entering into the second phase with him. Told him how I am making room for him in my head... which he understood because we had talked about how it's a good thing to internalize your T, that it's healthy to do that. OldT was sort of freaked by that and did not handle it well.

I will see him Monday at least next week. Don't know if I will get a second appt although he is going to try to get me in. Monday will now be my regular weekly appt day and that feels really good.

You know... I think newT is now MY T. I think I can finally now say (and write) that he is my T not newT. I feel close to him and good and protected. I know he's there. It's a bit scary but I think because he gets this so thoroughly the fear is not so overwhelming. I think this is the T that will help me heal.

TN
tn, this sounds so great. it is really uplifting to see that there is life after a storm like you had. this sounds like a really sensitive man, and i am so glad you can call him 'your t'!!

i love this that you said: "He makes me feel so normal for having these feelings and responses and needs."

that is so true, and helpful, to hear that SOME of this stuff we feel IS NORMAL!! IMAGINE THAT!!!

really happy for you, and it sounds like monday appts will get your week off to a great start!!

Godspeed my friend!! jill
Your T, i love that. I am feeling much better today after a good nights sleep and seeing your update has made my day. It is such a message of hope and resilience and growth and courage. Your whole journey TN, has touched my life and i am truly so happy that from within the worst pain something so beautiful is arising, like a phoenix from the ashes.

Pan
TN: I am late to this thread but have just read it all through and I am sincerely delighted in your ability to have started attaching to your PRESENT T. To your T. This is HUGE.
And I also love your T to bits, he is the real business. He is so attuned and just right.
I love it that you are starting a new course and so happy for you and your son with this recognition of honours. It is all a mark of how deep you and your son have worked.
Amazing how such a silver lining can come out of such tragedy.
Just a note to you: I saw my old C by accident this week, and I felt SICK. I think the contrast of working with sweetP and the sanity and true professionalism of his way of working with the viseral gut memories of how enmeshed old C and I were in that room of hers, --- it just made me feel like I was going to be sick. My little me was utterly attached to her, like she was my attachment person - that I could not leave and only by her terminating to badly and ineptly, did I get away from her. I would still be hanging on to her if it was up to my hurt and small child.
I love hearing about your T, he is just such a warm kind and professional therapist.
Got to join in the delight and cheers here TN - YAY for you! The thing that struck home for me was when you said, he's no longer newT but MY T. Wow that says SO much, not just about how you and T are relating, but also that you are finally starting to emerge from the ruin of your relationship with oldT. WELL DONE YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so pleased for you.

LL
Thank you all so much!! All of this support and your enthusiastic and joyful responses are making me feel all warm and fuzzy Smiler I figured I put you all through the wringer with my saga and I should now share my success and growing contentment with my T.

I read back through my old posts and can see how angry I was at him for really no reason except that he was not my oldT. I was angry and afraid that he would be cold and detached, that he would see what oldT saw... that I was hopeless and such a damaged patient that I needed to be thrown away like garbage and avoided ... banished like I was a leper or a dangerous person. I was afraid he would have harsh boundaries that would scare me and make me feel punished. I was afraid he would not have time for me or care about my trauma or that he would regret taking me on once he really knew me. I was so angry that I had to sit in this new office without a dog and a fireplace. That I had no more home and had to make myself tolerate the newness of his office. I remember the only comfort I found there in the beginning was that huge wall of books. So many of the titles were relevant to my struggles. And then finding out that he actually read them was comforting. I still walk into his office and spend a minute staring at the bookcase (it's behind my chair so I don't face it, I face his desk) before I sit down.

I remember telling him I hated his office, that I was angry with him for not being my oldT, that he shouldn't act like he knows it all because I will teach him some things (LOL), I got mad at him for moving my appointments around, I make him close the blinds, I ask for extra sessions, I told him he insulted my culture (about bringing him food), I have told him I would leave him in a minute to go back to old T, I have told him at least he knows the "basics" (he really laughed at that and thanked me for at least giving him that much credit after 25 years of practice Big Grin). And through all of this and more, he has sat with me and accepted ALL my feelings, has been steady and consistent and reassuring and open and honest. He has granted me many of the things I asked for like closed blinds, steady appointment and extra sessions when he can (okay it would be really nice if he put in a fireplace Eeker Big Grin Big Grin). He has not ever been defensive or upset or rude to me. He never detached or backed away. All of this has made me feel safe and protected and cared for. I guess this is why he is now my T.

Dragger... I love you see you pop on and comment. I hope you are okay.

AG... I really know you are happy that he is my T... and OMG... I left you without words?? THAT is amazing Razzer Wink Big Grin

BG... thank you and thanks for saying you love my T. That makes me feel good.

STRM... you came out of hibernation for me... that is so sweet. Thank you and I'm glad I made you smile and your heart warm. Progess is slow but steady.

incognito .... thanks for being happy for me in the midst of your own struggles. I think it was a major shift for me when he found me a regular appointment.

jill... I do hope the Monday's will now get off to that great start. It's so nice not to feel weird telling him things. It's so much less work than talking to oldT.

mayo... he is safe. I can really feel that and I'm enjoying it. Let's hope I dont' have to eat my words.

LadyGray... you can say it as much as you want to because it's really good to hear. He made it very easy to talk about the past. He was very kind and sensitive and accepting. And then he tells me how brave I am and it sounds like he really means it. That helps too.

Liese... thanks for being happy for me. I can't link to the article because it's in my school library and the link would not work. I may discuss the attachment aspect further in another thread.

jane... thanks for being happy for me. Yes it was really hard work to get here. The hardest work I have ever done, emotionally. It seemed so dark at times I could barely continue to breathe. The pain was debilitating. And it WAS a scary journey. But the support from all of you was really instrumental in helping me to continue to put one foot in front of the other. And now I find myself with my T!!

DF.. high five back to you. Thanks for being here.

Pan... I'm always happy to make your day. I had to fight with myself not to withdraw and hide and go invisible in my pain and sadness. I felt like I didn't belong here because I was so sad and angry and I was scaring and triggering everyone. T abandonment is not an easy topic for anyone and I understood that. But I thought that IF I could survive this and somehow come out of it ... it may help someone else who is struggling too or someone who is lurking and afraid to post. If I helped anyone, then it was worth it to be so open and to share what happened. Pan, thank you for being here... you are a breath of fresh air (and don't forget it was you who told me my T was that special light).

Sadly... you are right. My T is the real deal and is very attuned to me. It is surprising how well he already knows me. I am also thrilled to read how sweetP is helping you and reacting to your trauma in such a supportive and positive way. I am glad you found him and that you can now appreciate how much better he is for you than your C was. But the road is hard and bumpy. I know this.

LL... I'm always so glad to see you post. It does feel like I'm emerging from the smoke or the ruin or rising from the Phoenix. I'm grateful that I've been given a second chance to do therapy with a T who really gets it and who really cares. I wanted to give up so many times and you were always there supporting me and helping me understand and find clarity in my awful situation. Thank you. I hope things are continuing to go well with your new T and that you are feeling good about the relationship.

While I know things are going pretty well now, I do expect there to be some harder times, some bumps and bruises, some misattunement and even displaced anger, I do have a certain faith that my T will help me through this and through my messy horrible past to find myself and find some peace. You all have permission to remind me of the good things I have said about him now when I get angry with him down the line!! Big Grin

Thanks again,
TN
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Thank you all so much!! All of this support and your enthusiastic and joyful responses are making me feel all warm and fuzzy Smiler I figured I put you all through the wringer with my saga and I should now share my success and growing contentment with my T.

I read back through my old posts and can see how angry I was at him for really no reason except that he was not my oldT. I was angry and afraid that he would be cold and detached, that he would see what oldT saw... that I was hopeless and such a damaged patient that I needed to be thrown away like garbage and avoided ... banished like I was a leper or a dangerous person. I was afraid he would have harsh boundaries that would scare me and make me feel punished. I was afraid he would not have time for me or care about my trauma or that he would regret taking me on once he really knew me. I was so angry that I had to sit in this new office without a dog and a fireplace. That I had no more home and had to make myself tolerate the newness of his office. I remember the only comfort I found there in the beginning was that huge wall of books. So many of the titles were relevant to my struggles. And then finding out that he actually read them was comforting. I still walk into his office and spend a minute staring at the bookcase (it's behind my chair so I don't face it, I face his desk) before I sit down.

I remember telling him I hated his office, that I was angry with him for not being my oldT, that he shouldn't act like he knows it all because I will teach him some things (LOL), I got mad at him for moving my appointments around, I make him close the blinds, I ask for extra sessions, I told him he insulted my culture (about bringing him food), I have told him I would leave him in a minute to go back to old T, I have told him at least he knows the "basics" (he really laughed at that and thanked me for at least giving him that much credit after 25 years of practice Big Grin). And through all of this and more, he has sat with me and accepted ALL my feelings, has been steady and consistent and reassuring and open and honest. He has granted me many of the things I asked for like closed blinds, steady appointment and extra sessions when he can (okay it would be really nice if he put in a fireplace Eeker Big Grin Big Grin). He has not ever been defensive or upset or rude to me. He never detached or backed away. All of this has made me feel safe and protected and cared for. I guess this is why he is now my T.


Wow, this is so heartening, all these things are just the sort of thing that I have felt with my sweetP and just the sort of things I have flung at him, and still do a bit. We KNOW we have found someone good when
1. they do not take it personally (C did)
2. they sit quietly and are concerned that we feel or think that way
3. they have our best interests at heart
4. they don't mind us railing at them as they know we are hurting from the traumatic termination and it is leaking into the new therapeutic relationship and will take time to heal from
5. they continue to be kind and steady and caring.

I think we have both landed on our feet after sheer hell.

I LOVE hearing about your T. I drink it in. It is so good to hear of a good therapeutic relationship.

I am reading " A General Theory of Love' at the moment which is incredibly helpful.

Yes, we shall ALL remind you of what you said above about how good this T of yours is, when you hit doubt and bumpy stuff ahead, we are in there cheering the man on, and cheering you on. that is one crowded therapy room with all of us in there waving our pom poms Smiler
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I am reading " A General Theory of Love' at the moment which is incredibly helpful.

Yes, we shall ALL remind you of what you said above about how good this T of yours is, when you hit doubt and bumpy stuff ahead, we are in there cheering the man on, and cheering you on. that is one crowded therapy room with all of us in there waving our pom poms


Sadly... glad to hear GTOL is helpful to you. AG should get royalties from that book Big Grin

You made me laugh with the thought of all of you in there waving the pom poms... now I'll be sitting there smiling and looking for all of you when things get bumpy and my T will think I've gone crazy telling him I hear all that cheering!! Big Grin

TN
AG recommended that book to me- and I thought it was FANTASTIC! I gave it to my T to read, which he did, and he kept it. Ah well, glad he read it. It has lots of me in the margins though so I hope he does not lend it out. I write lots in the good books.
There is one page in the book (AG knows it- I think in the 50s or 70s- not sure)that jumps out at me- about the power of the theray relationship. It begins... Those with hazy parental relationships...ah not even sure if that is correct. AG knows.

I am smiling for ya- TN. Big Grin

Not posting much- I am losing connection with T- don't yet know if it is good or bad, but I am ok. All my doing.

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