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*** Potential triggers, lots of out of proportion rage being vented***



Wasn’t going to post anything, not for a while, because of how utterly black despairing and hopeless I feel, but the more I’ve sat with those feelings the more I’m needing to be heard. So here goes.

Following on from my T-less Once Again thread, I had an appointment today with the T my exT referred me to.

So yeah, appointment with potential new T what a crock of garbage that turned out to be. Firstly I’m going to describe rationally what it was like, then I’m going to say how I really feel about it and what my emotional perceptions of it were like – because right now I’m fed up to the eye teeth with having to be reasonable and understanding about not getting what I need and want!!!!!!!!!

So this woman actually understood what I was talking about, that’s a first, ever, as far as therapists go. She listened, or at least gave me that impression, she asked some of the right questions, she gave me some of the right responses and best of all she understood perfectly what I meant when I said I needed to be able to get angry at T herself, unreasonably and irrationally but that I needed to be the ‘bad’ me (ie angry, full of lifelong negative feelings) and have that bad me accepted. She got it. She phrased it back to me in such a way that I knew she knew exactly what I meant. And then she said that once a week would never be enough for me, that I’d need three sessions (at this point I’m thinking, wow, yes finally someone is actually telling me what I know I need without my having to bend over backwards justifying my requests...)

Great fine fantastic and then she says, “but I only work part time”. And that was that. So she understood exactly what I needed, sounded like she was offering me what I needed, and then pulled the plug. No apologies, not even a moment’s hesitation to wonder whether she could still help me in some way. Not even an open statement that she couldn’t offer me that time just this throw away comment about only working part time (so why does she have all these ads peppered all over the internet eh eh eh?)

Ok staying rational, we then spent the rest of the session vaguely talking about who I might be able to see who could give me what I need, no referrals, just general comments about the type of T I might think about seeing (despite that I told her I’d already seen every available T in the area) so I ended up forking out 45 quid for an hour appointment which was supposed to be a half hour free consultation – and I came away with less than nothing. Still reasonably rational I know she couldn’t give me the sessions she knew I needed, and that I’d agreed to go a full hour and pay, and that she tried her best to give me suggestions as to who I should look for (it’s not her problem that I’ve seen all the Ts already) and it wasn’t her problem that I was desperate to see a T again... Oh but she did say something really weird as the very last thing in session, which I’ve never heard of and kept thinking of people on here who’d had terminations with their Ts – that therapists won’t accept a client straight away who has just come out of a therapy – she wittered on about comparing it to a divorce or a partner dying and you wouldn’t rush out and strike up a new relationship straight away – I could see what she meant by that but it just seemed a totally off the wall comment...isn’t that what therapists are there for? Or have I really completely and utterly got this therapy lark wrong? Is this something strange about British therapists or have I just encountered yet another weirdo?

Well that was me being rational lol. Now for the truth.

I am SO FUCKING FURIOUS. How dare she, how dare she offer me what I’ve been looking for for so long, understanding, a recognition of where I’m at and what I need and THEN KNOWING IN ADVANCE DELIBERATELY TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!!!!!!! (remember I’m not being rational here I’m venting the way it all made me feel).

How dare she suddenly turn from being a good understanding there for me ideal therapist and waste my time wittering on about things that were all and only critical of me, it ended up feeling like she had deliberately set me up – that as soon as she understood what I needed she’d already made up her mind oh no I’m not taking this nutcase on, this needy nasty angry demanding piece of subhumanity and went straight into cold detached sorry kid you’re on your own again, as you deserve to be, you can’t possibly expect me to give a toss how you feel or how desperate you are, god what do you expect the needier you are OF COURSE the more I’m going to take away from you, you don’t really expect anyone to GIVE you what you need do you oh dearie me no that’s not what therapy is all about, therapy is all about deliberately denying your needs so you have to learn to live with them unmet, didn’t you know, the goal of life is to get rid of your needs not get them met... (these are obviously my messages, but this is exactly what it felt like she was saying lol I wish now I’d actually had a go at her there and then, got my money’s worth made her actually do some real work for a change... trouble is I didn’t start to feel really angry until I’d gotten out of there…)

The more time went on after the appointment the angrier and angrier and angrier I got (and I’m absolutely raging right now) – who the hell do these therapists think they are playing bloody god with my feelings and my needs, how dare she talk to me like that, how dare she not immediately say oh yes I’d love to have you as a client here let’s arrange all three sessions now and in fact you can start getting angry right now at me I’ll take it all. I am so furious in a really my god I want to totally annihilate this woman way, and it’s so obvious that I’m so full of rage at every single person who has thwarted me in my life, every single therapist who has just wasted 18 months of my life and dumped me rejected me not wanted me not bothered to help me not bothered to even try and understand me – I want to wipe them all out pay them back for all the denials and wimpy wishy washy therapist speak they’ve made me endure instead of talking my language, I am livid with rage because where the bloody parents had some excuse for messing me around THERAPISTS DO NOT! Therapists are supposed to know better. Yeah yeah before anyone jumps in and points out the obvious I know, I just want to get out the way it all makes me feel and in a way, to show that this is 100% ok. IT IS OK TO FEEL IRRATIONALLY AND UNREASONABLY FULL OF HATRED AND RAGE, BECAUSE IT’S REAL AND IT’S GOT GOOD CAUSES. And it needs to be heard.

Lol you can bet I’m going to be seriously wanting to delete this, but for now I’m leaving it up because it’s important to me to have this rage heard and, maybe, understood. And I think it’s important that I take a stand for those of us who’ve had to live with such profound pain of unmet needs that there’s an equal amount of rage to match it, and say, this is ok, this is normal, this is not bad or unacceptable or something bad and wrong with us. I will not squash stifle control get rid of or sell out my anger ever again, and if that means never having a T to help me with it, so be it. I ain’t selling myself out ever again.

Oh brave words. Let’s see how long that will last when I have to face the next days, weeks, months without someone there to help me with all these incredibly destructive feelings…we all know where they end up don’t we, turned back inward…

Enough venting. Sorry if it’s incoherent or offensive or whatever else negative response my ranting might inspire, I just needed to do this.

LL

p.s. I wrote this last night and then went to bed, thought I might regret posting it. (Lol I still fear that.) I’ve since realized that there were so many things this woman actually did say that irritated, annoyed and made me resentful even at the time, I’ve had umpteen subsequent conversations in my head where I really stood up to her – I wish. Like, listen darling your patronizing scoffing tone is not helpful, you want me to describe true paranoia to you well make yourself comfortable and fasten your seat belt because this isn’t pretty and it isn’t anodyne and superficial like you’re making it out to be. If I say I’m paranoid then you bloody well take that seriously even if you think you know better than me what my experience has been. ARRRRGGHHH this is exactly what I hate the most about therapists, this knee jerk impulse to oppose a client’s reality as if somehow, simply by telling clients they are wrong the client is going to go oh yeah duh how stupid of me not to have realized that before thankyou oh wise and mighty one for pointing out that my experience is incorrect… that it isn’t actually how I experience it… I could go on and on. Where do they get off not LISTENING but imposing their reality on mine without even bothering to check what my reality actually is??????????

There’s an object lesson in here, if I ever do manage to unearth a hitherto unseen by me T in this area and have an appointment, to make the effort to stand up for myself instead of just accepting everything they say as pearls before swine… Frowner Mad Frowner Mad
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LL
loved the rant - it was very perceptive and spot On, and I so understood your anger and your rage at her. I was actually cheering - so much for being over the top, if I actually LIKED the fact that you could get this mad and it make sense too. Smiler
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IT IS OK TO FEEL IRRATIONALLY AND UNREASONABLY FULL OF HATRED AND RAGE, BECAUSE IT’S REAL AND IT’S GOT GOOD CAUSES. And it needs to be heard.


Absolutely



I have a suggestion. You could go via your GP and ask for a clinical psychologist. As you know, that is what I did, after ex C began to seem so useless and mismatched. I see my sweet P once a week for sometimes nearly two hours and because it is NHS, I don't pay. I recommend asking NOW and telling your GP that you are REALLY not okay, so that they try to bump you up the waiting list. My waiting list was three to four months, so that is why it is good to be in the queue asap.

ANd - the psychologist is WAY nicer and more experienced than any C or T that I have paid for before.

And he might manage to wangle more sessions for you. I also get a session via phone each week but that is not contracted, it is just how it is right now.

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that therapists won’t accept a client straight away who has just come out of a therapy – she wittered on about comparing it to a divorce or a partner dying and you wouldn’t rush out and strike up a new relationship straight away – I could see what she meant by that but it just seemed a totally off the wall comment...isn’t that what therapists are there for? Or have I really completely and utterly got this therapy lark wrong? Is this something strange about British therapists or have I just encountered yet another weirdo?


She is either off the wall or you misheard. Ask her why when you terminate with a client, you are advised as a T, to give TWO REFERRALS so that the client is not left abandoned.

!*!*!*!*!*


I would not allow her to get away with that remark -

so sorry this new T was not like TN's T or my sweet P. But sweet P IS NHS and so you might be lucky.

hugs, it is hard.
LL, I could just sense the kick in the gut that T's comment was, because even though I was reading knowing that something went wrong, I was still surprised that she dropped that on you after being so seemingly wonderful! Gosh, I'm so sorry. I guess the one thing I can say is I'm now glad she said some red flag worthy thing later on. Roll Eyes

I definitely agree with Sadly that she is off the wall thinking that you have to take the kind of break between therapists that you would take with any other relationship. That's total BS. It's like she's saying that it's not fair to your former T if she goes ahead and works with you right off the bat, which is completely unfair and unsupportive to you. Whatever T you end up with shouldn't have any obligation like that to your former T. They should be willing to be there for you right then and there. After all, your therapy is about you and your needs, not your T's and not any other T's.

Sorry I don't have much more time to say anything else, but I'm glad you posted this (all of it!). Hang in there and keep us updated.

((((((((((LL))))))))))
I'm glad you posted this too, LL- I see nothing in what you've written that is bad or that you should delete. What is wrong with getting angry? You are not hurting anyone- you are just angry! I truly can't understand what is so wrong with that, that you should feel so guilty about putting your rage at T's who have not helped you out there.

I'm not gonna offer any advice, simply because right now I think you need a place to get your feelings out. I say go for it. You are mad because nobody will let you be mad, and that makes you even madder. Well, speaking for myself, I am quite happy to let you be mad, and read what you have to say about it. I think what you are dealing with is really difficult, and that you have not actually found a T who is capable of handling it in this latest T, LL. It may feel that way because of what she said- Mad Mad Mad but she would end up being just like all the others, I'm pretty sure. If she really understood your setup, than she never would have offered what she was unable to follow through on with you, but would have had the insight to say simply- "I'm sorry, I am not the one to help you." And leave it at that, rather than ensuring that you knew how competent she was to handle it before sending you on your way. Mad Mad jerk.

BB
PS- I strongly recommend that you get some of this rage out in a physical way, as well as typing the words to us. As Jones very wisely advised me once in dealing with my own rage (different circumstances, probably the same rage) to "THUMP THE HELL OUT OF SOMETHING!" Now is not the time to garden, for example. Getting the words out, is really good and neccessary, but for heaven's sake, have something nearby to physically crush with hands and feet while you do it. Soda cans are good, I've heard. I kick my dryer. Really Hard. (so much for not advising you. Roll Eyes )
LL - WTF?! Yeah, why advertise if you don't have room for clients. Why tell someone, "Here is what I think you need, but I have no suggestions on how you can get it," and then send you off? And...why should a client go without the support of a T for months just so the next one doesn't worry about having to work through the termination stuff of the previous one? Grrr...not happy. You are in full rights to rage right now. I wonder if Sadly's suggestion might work...

((((((((LL)))))))))) Keep raging here until you find a T who can take it. We're here for you. And, I believe what you're looking for is not too much to ask for. There is a T or P out there for you somewhere.
Oh thanks guys, really, thanks. You’ve made me feel a whole lot better about putting this out there, anger is one thing I might feel a lot of, but have real problems accepting – especially after the event – as not bad or unacceptable in some way. So it’s great to get this understanding of where I’m at.

Sadly, thank you for cheering. Lol you’ve made me feel like cheering for myself, I always feel better about myself when it seems I’ve taken a stand on my own behalf.

Good suggestions about trying to go via NHS. I might just go see the doc again about it – currently he’s a locum and very very good, so maybe he will help me. I actually did start out this tedious search for a T over two years ago by accepting my former doctor’s suggestion that I see a counsellor, well 9 months later I’d been offered a six session stint with a plain counsellor who hadn’t been told about my situation, had one assessment session at a mental health outfit who also hadn’t been told about my situation, and one further assessment session in order to try and fit me with a counsellor – again short term, and ALL CBT. And invited to participate in a couple of women’s groups which when I attended turned out to be of the superficial gung ho let’s all be positive and forward thinking CBT based set ups. I ended up walking out because it was just SO painful being in pain (and angry) and being told to stop focusing on the negatives and think of all the positive things about my past, my family etc.

Sorry I’m obviously on a rant roll here!

You know what frustrates me about this T search here in England, is that I just KNOW there are good experienced Ts out there (like your SweetP) but they are not available to Joe Blow public, you have to be referred to get access to them – yet how do you get yourself referred if to all intents and purposes you’re functioning perfectly well, not swinging from the chandeliers or threatening to top yourself or other people… sorry no disrespect at all intended there to people who are or have felt suicidal, it’s just that over here it seems you have to be totally dysfunctional or a menace to yourself or other people before the system takes you seriously. Mind you even at the time of my own (obviously) failed sui attempt, the hospital couldn’t wait to chuck me out as soon as I seemed functioning again, clutching a scrip for some ‘new’ antipsychotic that I ended up taking totally without supervision, results were pretty devastating… I have a LOT of rage about that ghastly period in my life.

I just spent all yesterday and last night trolling through the official registers of licensed Ts/Ps – on one register there are 1171 registered psychoanalysts in the UK on the main website available to the public, I just trawled through every entry looking for any that are within driving distance of where I live, I’ve come up with three names. Names only, no details, nothing to tell me what they are like or what their specific approach is or how experienced they are or even what their qualifications are. And in fact 99% of the names on the register aren’t proper psychoanalysts at all, they are termed psychoanalytic psychotherapists, and there’s a big difference. Which is another moan I have about English therapists – I’ve been discovering that the so-called qualifications most of them can cite as evidence of their training, actually involve something like three to four years of ONE DAY A WEEK for 27 weeks of the year attendance at seminars, with some theoretical reading, a bit of clinical practice and an annual self assessment essay to produce. Not exactly overqualified are they????????????? No wonder psychoT seemed so incompetent. He was!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I am so so sorry I’m going on and on and it’s obvious this latest contretemps with yet another useless T has just tapped into a whole store of anger at my failed dealings with therapists and the psych system…

So yeah, well despite that little rant, an appointment with the doc could very well be a good move, thanks Sadly Smiler .



Kashley thank you too for your support and understanding. What I understand her to have been saying about the not going straight from one therapist to another, was that like any finished relationship you need time to process grief and anger and sort through all the good/bad things etc before embarking on a new relationship, which I can understand in real world, but had assumed that actually that’s what you need a T for, to help with that processing. What she was saying was that for some reason (unknown to me and I’m now guessing unknown to everyone else in the world except her) a client had to do this on their own, and that it wasn’t fair on the NEW T to bring unfinished business from the old T relationship, and that the subtextual message was, you’re supposed to figure all this stuff out on your own anyway… well that doesn’t actually make sense to me now that I’ve tried to explain it so yeah, she was talking bollocks.

In retrospect I get the sense that there were quite a lot of veiled references (and subtle criticisms) in her comments, to my situation, my requests and what I was explaining I thought I needed. Lol she actually prefaced that last weird comment with ‘this will probably annoy you but…’ Dead right it annoyed me, I HATE subtle inferences that feel wrong and critical to me but that I can’t work out until much later. And even now I’m wondering, why did she say that? Did she really mean it? Well she must have why else mention it. So what does that say about her attitude to therapy and how therapists work. Wow I would never have thought there was such variation in attitude and beliefs amongst therapists about such fundamental things…


Lol Draggers, thank you for that. Yeah please SOMEONE find me the right T, because I sure as hell don’t seem to be managing it on my own.

LL
Beebs thank you so much for validating how I feel and for being angry on my behalf too. You’re so right, the very way she handled this is a pretty good indication that she would have turned out to be not the right T anyway. Well I have to tell myself that. And thanks too for the suggestion of getting the aggression out on something inanimate.

Lol I actually did go into the garden today, was very ruthless for a change about weeding, but it was more to just take my head away from the shitty situation I’m in and give myself a break. But in fact violence and aggressive actions never made me feel better, the few times I’ve actually hit an inanimate object or smashed something, it’s always been out of sheer frustration, venting physically only makes me feel more powerless and impotent than I usually do. I never get that cathartic sense that it’s supposed to give.

What I’ve found having posted this thread and getting the great responses from you all, is that simply having the rage heard, understood and accepted, has done the trick, the rage at this T specifically has subsided and though I’m still angry and upset about the fact of what happened, she’s no longer the direct target of it. *Sigh * why don’t the Ts I’ve seen GET that???????



Yaku, thankyou, you’ve picked out some of the true negatives about this woman – I can’t understand either why she’d be advertising herself in just about every internet business website going (I’d automatically assumed from that that she wanted more clients – so to be told she only worked part time was a shock), and though I can understand her telling me what I needed, I don’t get why she either wasn’t up front about her not being able to help me in any way and even more why she didn’t offer to refer me (I actually asked her point blank if she knew of anyone who could help…). As for the comment about Ts not taking a client who has just finished a therapy, I’m so glad that that wasn’t just my amazed reaction, it does seem a very very odd attitude to have as a therapist.



It’s meant a lot to me that you guys have been so understanding and supportive of my rant, and for seeing the negatives about this T that I always assume is my slanted perceptions – the rage at this T having now faded a lot I’m much more prepared to take some positives from the session (specifically, that she really did understand what I meant about getting angry directly at a T, she even said that she thought it strange that a T wouldn’t accept it… swings and roundabouts eh?) This wouldn’t have happened if my rage hadn’t been heard and understood, I would have stayed stuck in some permanent internal negative connection to her, so it’s been really good to have gotten these responses. Thank you all.

LL (now feeling more able to sit down and start sorting out seriously what to do next…)
LL- the way I got sweetP is I had to STATE CLEARLY AND BOLDLY my worst symptoms. To my doctor no less. It was AGONY. I had to say " I was imprisoned, held captive, tortured and multiply raped over three months in India." Now as you guys know, I still find it hard to admit these things to MYSELF never mind a doctor, so that took some doing. but THAT is why I was referred to someone as experienced and competent as sweetP and even HE said at first that he was not qualified to help me and was looking for someone who was (so I might have over done it slightly LOL)

One year before I had been referred to the same mental health unit and had a referral interview where I don't admit my suicidal thoughts, (which were very very bad at the time - I was in a far worse state then than I am now, and I am not good now as you know. ) And the referral interview was done by someone young ish, and he assessed me as not needing any help.

ARGGHHHH. I think he just saw I was articulate and educated and not mentally ill.... stupid man.

So yes, it is HARD here navigating the NHS system, but don;t let it put you off, get a referral, wait for it, and then tell them the WORST - and you might get the best person they have got.
LL,

Just wanted to add that the beautiful thing I see going on here, and let me say, I know you will find it hard to see it as a beautiful thing right now, but the beautiful thing is that I hear you getting stronger and stronger and I hear YOU accepting your anger. I love that. Don't know if it's therapeutic. But every time you give us a little more information, what I hear is someone who is strong, who is willing to stand up for herself - even if it hurts at times, even if it means no therapy at times - because I hear someone who isn't willing to settle, who is learning about what she wants and doesn't want .... and yes, to me, that is beautiful thing. Smiler If I knew how to access a fancy emoticon, I would do so right here. But now I can only use the ones here on this website.

HUGS

Liese
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What she was saying was that for some reason (unknown to me and I’m now guessing unknown to everyone else in the world except her) a client had to do this on their own, and that it wasn’t fair on the NEW T to bring unfinished business from the old T relationship, and that the subtextual message was, you’re supposed to figure all this stuff out on your own anyway…


OH...LL... if this is true then I have been GROSSLY UNFAIR to my poor new T. I have been horrible to him because I brought truckloads of unfinished business to him and loads of leftover grief from what oldT did to me. He never once uttered anything like what this woman said to you. My T sees it exactly as I need him to help me process my prior failed therapy with oldT. THAT is what he is needed for in this time period until I can get past the grief and pain and move ahead to my own history and trauma.

I am so sorry you had to be subject to this insane woman (I cannot seem to call her a T!) who should have told you upfront that she is part-time only. And please go right ahead and rant and yell and throw things (safely) and stomp around and let all that anger out. It's healthier for you to do so and quite understandable.

What I wanted to mention quickly (I'm pressed for time at the moment) is that perhaps you cannot find a T that works for you because they are INCOMPETENT. I don't really understand how the NHS system works in the U.K. although Sadly has given us some idea, and perhaps you are finding counselors instead of seasonsed "psychologists"?? Those who have higher degrees of education and have done their own analysis and have a lot of clinical experience.

I have learned a fair amount about what makes a good T in my own search here in the U.S. I found out that anyone can call themselves a "psychotherapist". But they cannot call themselves a Psychologist unless they have a doctoral degree and are licensed in the state in which they practice. Penalties are pretty severe for this. Aside from that, many doctoral programs do not require Ts to do their own therapy. They "suggest" it... and if the person is avoidant (as was my oldT) then of course they are NOT going to want to go into analysis. My oldT had a doctorate degree but lousy clinical experience and his training was in "counseling" psychology and not "clinical" psychology... there is a difference. His very limited clinical experience before private practice was working with mentally retarded adults in an institution. Not exactly the type of patients he would encounter in private practice. Aside from that he mostly treated kids with few adults and I would imagine with those adults he took more of an advice giving counseling role... while I tried very hard to engage him in psychodynamic therapy (according to my current T I did a great job) but failed over the long run because of HIS issues and not mine (see I can say that on a good day when my rational mind is functioning!)

That is just some of the basic nuts and bolts issues that are important when searching for the right T. Aside from that a T should give you at least a 10-15 minute phone interview to ascertain if you even would bother seeing them in person. I did this with my last two T interviews because I was tired of spending money to be disappointed. My current T passed the telephone interview with flying colors. I had my list of questions whittled down to the most important 5 and asked them and I liked his answers and so I then told him to make me an appointment.

The questions were:

What type of therapy are you trained in and use?
What do you know about attachment and how would you handle a client who became attached?
How do you terminate clients?
Have you ever terminated a client against their will?
Have you ever worked with clients with complex PTSD? What is your trauma experience?

Now I already knew he was a male, in his 50's, had over 20 years experience, had an office close by and I was able to look up and read his doctoral thesis before I saw him! (I told him this and he was surprised and impressed but not at all put off by it which was a good sign).

LL... I hate that you are suffering so and I realize I have been very factual and practical in what I have said above and not so warm and fuzzy but I hope what I have written will somehow help you to find the T that you deserve to find.

Many hugs
TN
So sorry LL that you have to go through this termoil once again. I agree that this T should have laid her cards on the table for you atthe start...it is so frustrating to know what you want and have it almost available and then withdrawn before your eyes. I am imagining the NHS will simly offer CBT, because that is seen as the Gold Standard right now, and is cost effective for the NHS as it is time-limited Frowner So perhaps you should look for a Clinical Psychologist as Sadly said. It's worked really well for me, although I have different time limitations, it's worth it to feel in very safe hands. (((((((LL)))))))

Take care Lampers, many thoughts,

starfishy
Sadly, Liese, TN, Starfish and Morgs, can I give you all big cyber hugs ((((( you ))))). I’d really like to reply individually and properly, you’ve given me so much more gratefully received support and some good ideas, right now I’m barely functioning enough to type with 2 fingers let alone 10 and the brain is rebelling. Sorry Frowner

The trouble with rage is, that while it’s energizing and gives you incentive to get things done, it also takes huge amounts of energy and dissipates really quickly leaving you flat, drained and exhausted. And then the reality of the situation that caused the rage in the first place sets in Frowner . So I’ve spent most of today in a downward plummet Frowner Frowner

On the upside though, was feeling SO bad that I forced myself to pick up the phone and try to make an appointment with at least one T, despite the fact that I’m now pretty convinced that what I’m needing from therapy and therapists just doesn’t exist. Am not really believing that just yet though, can’t afford to...

So I actually got through to this guy straight away and now have an appointment for next week. Amazing how a bit of hope can lift the despair so quickly. So long as there’s hope of healing and help (!!!! sorry about all the ‘h’s) things don’t seem quite so bleak and black…(!!! ugh and the ‘b’s…)

I’m utterly knackered now so this is probably incoherent and I’m going off to give my brain a rest. Apologies again for not posting to anyone’s threads, I really am sorry I hate it coming on here and seemingly ignoring everyone else, it’s not deliberate Frowner

And thank you again everyone for being so supportive. I shall be back to reply properly.

LL xxx
Just got to work - logged in - saw your post and have to say "well done (((LL)))". Big Grin In spite of how you're feeling, you've made yet another positive, forward move!!! Big Grin That is just excellent!

Don't worry about not posting - there are plenty of people looking out for each other.

Now you really should try to take some pressure off and rest - I can understand how exhausted you are!!

It may sound empty and I've no idea why but I 'feel' there is someone out there for you, and you're not going to give up 'till you find that person!!

Be gentle with yourself.
Morgs x
LL, I am SO GLAD you posted this and did not delete it. I'm in a bad place with soon to be ex-T and I needed to read this and I want you to know I TOTALLY understand you!!!


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Originally posted by Lamplighter:

Oh but she did say something really weird as the very last thing in session, which I’ve never heard of and kept thinking of people on here who’d had terminations with their Ts – that therapists won’t accept a client straight away who has just come out of a therapy – she wittered on about comparing it to a divorce or a partner dying and you wouldn’t rush out and strike up a new relationship straight away – I could see what she meant by that but it just seemed a totally off the wall comment...isn’t that what therapists are there for? Or have I really completely and utterly got this therapy lark wrong? Is this something strange about British therapists or have I just encountered yet another weirdo


I also have never heard this, but as I think about it, this makes sense. (I wouldn't want to hear it from a therapist I've just been referred to) but it does make sense to me right now. When I was poorly termed, my new T "saved" me. Knight in shining armor she was. And I was ever so grateful to have someone who wanted me. I wasn't a throwaway, I was wanted. Yeah well, that all hit the fan. And part of my frustration is that I knew quite a few months ago that this therapist had some issues with me and that it may not be a good idea to stay with her. But I did stay. And I stayed too long. I ignored my instincts that said things were not right and stayed because how could I walk away from the person who rescued me in my time of despair? How could I throw away such compassion? She helped me through such a difficult time.

So yeah, I stayed on too long and now it's a bad ending and I do believe I felt like I had to stay and take her abusive ways because she took me on when I was broken and vulnerable. How dare I think she's not right for me!

So I think jumping straightaway into new therapy after recent termination is a very cautious and scary thing to do. Clients are probably more likely to idolize the "rescue T" and not realize when that T is a selfish vain ignorant b****.


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this needy nasty angry demanding piece of subhumanity



I've had days like this. Hell, I've had weeks like this.


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where the bloody parents had some excuse for messing me around THERAPISTS DO NOT! Therapists are supposed to know better. Yeah yeah before anyone jumps in and points out the obvious I know, I just want to get out the way it all makes me feel and in a way, to show that this is 100% ok. IT IS OK TO FEEL IRRATIONALLY AND UNREASONABLY FULL OF HATRED AND RAGE, BECAUSE IT’S REAL AND IT’S GOT GOOD CAUSES. And it needs to be heard.



Oh and then I've had therapist get offended that I don't think they are gods. Man I could write a list of all the inappropriate things I seen from the so-called emotionally regulated, professional, present, poised, well-adjusted therapists. They are supposed to know better. And well seriously, if they've been practicing for more than a year, haven't they at some point encountered a so-called "difficult" patient that they can at least pretend they know what they're doing. I am seriously tired of feeling like I am THE WORST patient these therapists have ever encountered in over TEN YEARS of practice. Really? REALLY?!? Seriously, who are these other magical clients with no problems or issues that I am always the last straw? (I guess that why they call it a "practice" cause the therapist really haven't a clue what to do so they're just practicing)


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for now I’m leaving it up because it’s important to me to have this rage heard and, maybe, understood. And I think it’s important that I take a stand for those of us who’ve had to live with such profound pain of unmet needs that there’s an equal amount of rage to match it, and say, this is ok, this is normal, this is not bad or unacceptable or something bad and wrong with us.


THANK YOU for standing up for me and saying what I needed to hear.


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knee jerk impulse to oppose a client’s reality as if somehow, simply by telling clients they are wrong the client is going to go oh yeah duh how stupid of me not to have realized that before thankyou oh wise and mighty one for pointing out that my experience is incorrect…


Those Bastards!

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