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I came across this on the internet about boundary crashers, my T thinks I am one of these.
Feedback appreciated. Personally I think it is putting into therapy speak a normal responce of people in pain, we want HELP and SUPPORT and when we don't get it, we don't stop wanting. The need does not go away.
"Boundary crashers will resort to an array of manipulation techniques to get their way, such as guilt trips, sweet talking, or anger. Boundary crashers might even claim that you have a moral responsibility for taking care of them, claim that you don't love them, or even harm themselves to see whether you will step in as a rescuer. You might be tempted to compromise your boundary to make the other person feel happy and protected, as well as to protect yourself from the other person's anger or relieve your feelings of guilt.

But giving into a boundary crasher's demands has a downside for both parties. You'll feel disappointed and guilty, because you've betrayed yourself by sacrificing your comfort to make someone else happy. Repeated compromise also results in the boundary crasher never learning to be truly independent and self-sufficient.

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People who violate boundaries often share the same fears. However, they have a much different way of coping with it. Rather than giving into someone else's demands in order to win approval and acceptance, they take an aggressive role, throwing away their values and morals to get what they want. Boundary crashers demand satisfaction, much as infants and young children demand satisfaction with little or no care to what the people around them want or need.

The price for not maintaining healthy boundaries is steep, regardless of which side of the struggle you're on. Boundary violators' inability to function within social norms eventually costs them relationships, as the people around them grow tired of being treated with disrespect. People with weak or nonexistent boundaries eventually find themselves stressed out and drained, as they give more and more of themselves in the never-ending pursuit of love and acceptance.

Successfully addressing boundary issues involves a variety of steps. First, you must tap into enough love to be able to say "yes" to yourself. Setting boundaries is about self-care and self-respect.

Once you've chosen to make yourself a priority, it's critical to identify and deal with the fear that fuels your boundary issue. Without this crucial work, learning the mechanics of setting boundaries, such as the language to use when enforcing a boundary, will be ineffective and produce temporary results.

Boundary crashers will try to find ways around your boundaries, using manipulative techniques such as lashing out in anger, trying to induce guilt, or attempting to make you doubt yourself and your new boundaries.

Many people who attempt to learn boundary-setting techniques on their own discover that frustration and confusion are common side effects. This is not surprising, as breaking these lifelong patterns involves learning to interact with the world in a completely new way.

Guidance and support from a third party can be extremely beneficial as you practice your new skills. Options include programs that teach boundary-setting skills, as well as workshops that allow you unearth and address the all-consuming fears that drive boundary issues. Some people, especially those who have suffered trauma or struggle with addiction, may find that help from mental health professionals is particularly beneficial.

Walking through fear takes great courage. But the reward of greater personal freedom and more satisfying relationships makes the exercise worth the price.

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Fascinating. Deepfried, we have much in common. I found myself nodding in agreement with everything you wrote.

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Originally posted by Sheychen:
Personally I think it is putting into therapy speak a normal responce of people in pain, we want HELP and SUPPORT and when we don't get it, we don't stop wanting. The need does not go away.


Wanting and needing support is entirely normal for a person in pain. But not everyone acts on those impulses in the same way. Like Deepfried, I respond to my pain by hiding away and not asking for anything for fear of troubling them or having them "disapprove" of me in some way. I absolutely FEAR being viewed as needy or clingy. Instead I seem to channel my pain into "helping" others, and become the one with weak boundaries that get trampled by needy people. Probably something to do with growing up in a household of useless alcoholics who refuse to take care of themselves... Roll Eyes Anyway, this is why I know I could never be a therapist, and why I dropped the pre-med track in college and majored in a non-human science instead. Wink

I really don't think therapists are doing their clients any favors when they loosen up the boundaries in response to an especially needy or hurting client. Like the article states, it ends badly for both. The therapist becomes resentful, and the client never learns to get their needs met in a legitimate way. "Legitimate" isn't the right word... what am I trying to say? Healthy way? Self-sufficient? I'm NOT talking about forced independence for someone who hasn't learned the skills to be emotionally independent... but therapy should be a laboratory for learning those skills. And the first step is learning that we ALL need boundaries for our own good. Including therapists. They need to set a good example. They need to teach clients that we can get our needs met without manipulation, through open and honest communication.

Sheychen, I'm really sorry about everything that happened with your T. She screwed up big time and you're the one paying the price. Frowner

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Walking through fear takes great courage. But the reward of greater personal freedom and more satisfying relationships makes the exercise worth the price.
Absolultely true.
Thank you for posting this article, Sheychen. I found it helpful and very interesting.

I honestly don’t think of have much advice, if any at all… I am someone who pushes my T’s boundaries (and probably everyone else’s) constantly, so I’m trying to figure all of this out myself. This article gave me a lot to think about though! I’ll post again if I come up with anything or if I talk to my T about it.

-Mac
I guess i am puzzled because I don't think I am a boundary crasher in normal life, I don't think my friends or family experience that from me, but in therapy, when I hit the awful pain, I wanted more support, I really truly did and it became extreme that want and my T pointed out that I am being unreasonable. So she says it is my boundary crashing.
Sigh
Sheychen,
I would be hurt if my T called me a boundary pusher. It sounds to me, just from what you’ve said, that she didn’t know how to handle it properly. She should have been able to look at the times that you push the boundaries and discuss with you some of the reasons why you might do that.

I don’t think I’m a boundary crasher in real life either. It is making me think about the possibility though, since my T and I talked a lot about how I relate to him and the rest of the world last session. I don’t change my style of relate with him… I relate to him the same way that I relate to everyone else. The difference is that my T can point out these things and help me change. I’m just starting to think about this though- its all very complicated!

-Mac
People can be in pain and still be boundary crashers. Just because someone is in pain doesn't mean the means which they seek to alleviate their pain is justified.

The people I know who fit the description of boundary crashers are often in pain, but they depend on others to provide them with relief that in reality can only be provided for by themselves. That is why it's an unhealthy cycle of dependance. In order to get relief, they need to adjust their own behavior and/or expectations rather than depend on the outside world to do so for them. I think it's important to be really honest with one's self and examine whether you respect people as free individuals or see them primarily as providers of emotional support or relief. This is especially true when it comes to seeking love and emotional support in one's life. In the long run, no one likes to feel used, pressured, or manipulated.
ooops! i didn't mean to actually post that just yet ... i meant to elaborate a little. anyway, i don't think i'm a boundary pusher, BUT i do think that i tend to see others as "how can i benefit from this relationship"? sure, i can put up a front and communicate like anybody, like i'm on the up=and=up, but i'm thinking you struck something close to my core and that's why i'm posting now. i'm thinking (not proudly) that on some deep level i do look at other as "what can you provide me with"? i don't think it's malicious, but i think it's something left over from childhood. if i can't get this need met by provider-A, maybe you can provide this need? oh, you can't? well, maybe this person over here can. etc. i think this goes on subconsciously, and you just opened my eyes to this. i'll have to noodle on this overnight.

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