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I see two T’s right now. One primary T and also horse therapy one.

My primary T knows about my trauma history - especially the part related to trauma by persons in a position of power and trust when I was young and then as an adult (jerk is in prision) - and we were talking about it at my last session. We rarely talk about the details of this part of my past trauma. She always waits for me to bring it up. It helps a lot that she doesn‘t push - because in a way, she is another person in a position of power, authority and trust. She gets that it helps a lot if she's super gentle and non-pushy about this subject.

The horse T knows I have complex PTSD and have experienced abuse by people in position of power and trust. She doesn’t know more details than that, and she says she doesn’t need to know. She said I can tell her things as I am ready to do so, and if I need to. It's ok if I do, that would be helpful, and it's ok if I don't. She also knows that my primary T does know “all the gory details." My main goal with equine therapy right now is just to be more present with my feelings, slow down, and manage them better and learn to let myself feel different things when in relationship with horses, and people too.

My last session of equine therapy, something came up that sorta struck me very deeply. It's a pretty simple and small matter, yet I'm feeling a lot of very intense shame that I want to tell the equine T about it.

Here's what came up: The horse T said it’s hard when people have trauma for them to feel present in their bodies and to feel ok to say what they like and don’t like. (this is true for me when it's a matter of just limkeing something better. I have no problem saying no or back off when serious boundaries are crossed. But most of life isn't about that.) Anyhow, the horse T and I were talking about that and the T said that for whatever reason, the horses respond “remarkably clingy to you.” She said they will tend to be much closer, even follow me around, quickly become attached and seek my attention, and even become protective of me, much more than they usually are with most who are around them (even other clients working through trauma.) She doesn’t know why - that’s just the way they tend to be with me time and time again. I got conerned I was doing something wrong (just my default thing to do). She reminded me, it's ok that the horses respond to me that way. It doesn't mean something is unusally wrong with me. She said it actually may mean something really good about me - the horses clearly feel safe around me. That made me feel better. Like I wasn't doing something unconsious that was wrong.

It led to exploring how I felt about the horses, and where do I like the horse to be in relation to me, and how to ask a horse to be further away or closer (physically). Not just what do the horses apparently like to do, but what do I like. I struggled to even figure out what I liked! So we experimented with how does it feel when they are really close and I “let“ the horse follow me closely around. We experimented with how does it feel when they are far away, and lots of places in between. It was really cool for me to just feel what all those places felt like for me in my body and my emotions about it, not judge myself and find what I liked the most in that moment. (and the horses are super responsive and so non-judgmental about it all.)

At the end, the T said next time she wanted to ask me “where do I like her standing in relation to me?” She said she wanted to explore that. Inside the ring, outside, by my side, further away... I dunno if I'm ready for that. It seems so simple and yet it scares me to let myself feel where I like/prefer her to stand with me when we work with the horses.

I do I want to tell her it’s so hard for me to be one-on-one with any T, and yet with her, it has been really ok in a way that I‘ve never experienced before. I’ve not been triggered in a PTSD-ish creeped out way for me to be one-on-one with her. (that usually happens in the first session.) Because of some of the nature of the trauma I dealt with from a young age, it’s really really hard for me to feel ok with ANY medical or mental health professional one-one-one. Yet this T has stood next to me, walked side by side, stood on the other side of a horse, or on the outside of a ring/pen/pasture, or close to show me how to put on a tricky halter - all of it has felt ok. like not intensely ok, just ok. like ok in the way I feel with non-T people. I’m not sure what I “prefer” or “like” the best, but I’m not scared of any of it. I actually find it comforting to have her be in various places and yet always be able to easily connect back with her, visually, verbally, or even walk back to where she is. She almost is naturally a “secure base” that I use to explore working with the horses.

I think the fact that every session is outside, around a bunch of horses helps a lot. I also think the way she becomes so quickly attuned to where I am at and sensitive to it helps a lot too. She also doesn’t push and doesn’t judge me - a lot like how the horses are. I don’t really get it and it kinda freaks me out if I think of it for too long. I kinda worry I am idealizing her, but the thing is, I generally don't have intense feelings about her and she's not perfect by any means.

I like that I can feel ok with my T and I want to hold on to that. It just feels very non-intense and ok.

But when I think of telling her this, then I feel a lot of shame about it - but I think that shame is just trying to protect me from risking getting hurt?

I want to tell my T that “I don’t do well with being one-on-one with a T. but for whatever reason, it’s working here. This is cool.” But I am super scared to tell her just that. Which makes me feel really stupid and foolish even more...

I dunno. Does this sound really silly to be so scared or nervous or ashamed to want to tell her that?

p.s. edited just to take out an inconseqential detail, just to keep private.
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this is so interesting to learn about this therapy, and how it is so transference oriented, how the horses sense safety with you. i know about the first response when something is unusual, i tend to think, unusual means bad, too, and that i did something wrong. but clearly (i think) it just says they respond to your gentleness and 'respect' of their space, too, maybe??

and as to telling her you are 'safer' out in the open right now?? i think that is very valid and fine. she is guaging you, so that response, i would think, is helpful and not insulting to her to say. sometimes i know i forget that therapy is about ME, and not the other. a new sense for many of us, but we are not narcissistic to speak of our needs. i feel sure it would be helpful for her to know better your pace. another thing, if she is good, which it sounds like she is, she can sense it whether or not you say it. so if it feels uncomfortable to say aloud, she most likely can perceive it, so my advise is to stay comfortable and don't push yourself too hard.

interesting stuff!! jill
janedoe

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I want to tell my equine T that “I don’t do well with being one-on-one with a T. but for whatever reason, it’s working here. This is cool.”


That is a perfect answer for you to give janedoe, very honest but expresses some old fears too for her to be aware of. I would definitely tell her if you possibly can, it will really help your therapy. You, her and the horse all working together Smiler

DF you have given a very wise answer, and you are so right - I really never realised just how much we can learn from these wonderful creatures.

starfish
Real trust must be grown over time in my opinion. People with trauma history can see right through insincerity, and even if our feelings/emotions somehow miss the danger, our bodies most certainly wouldn't. I would think this would especially be the case in your situation since mindfulness/listening to your body is what this therapy is about.

It sounds like you struggle hugely with trust (as a lot of people here do), and I think it is so great that from the sounds of things, you are beginning to trust her - just a little, bit by bit. Of course you feel scared to let her know that. Does it feel like that information might give her power and leave you feeling vulnerable?

Your feelings of trust are not silly and your fear is not silly. Your body is just giving you information about the situation you are in based on past experiences. I have learned from my T and the many wise people here that you will need to experience being vulnerable without being hurt many times before it will stop feeling dangerous. That is the hard part. But you are beginning - that is the exciting part.

I think you will know when it feels right to tell her how you are feeling, so don't push yourself. And I do think it will feel amazing to have her accept and honor your feelings.

Smiler
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I have learned from my T and the many wise people here that you will need to experience being vulnerable without being hurt many times before it will stop feeling dangerous. That is the hard part.


if i could learn this, i would really make some progress...friends, it is this simple statement, and ones like it that are so HUGE that i learn from y'all that make my time here so valuable. thanks seablue, and MANY others for your wisdom!!
I tried to post a response twice before but my internet connection frooze each time. Hopefully this time this works! (sorry about the long delay) Thanks for the feedback and
responses and encouragement.

I had another session with the equine T and your responses all stuck with me. I'm still rpocessing what happened - but whoa, it was cool. And ok. safe. I said what I liked. Smiler

Jill ~ It is a therapy where there is tons of transference. I just realized that when I read your response. After my old T, and tranference that was handled so badly and became so heart brekaing, I think I have been so afraid to feel with anyone, but I let myself with with the horses... And here I was trying to avoid all tranference!!! me and my silly plans. Roll Eyes Big Grin It is actually really neat to feel and be with horses because they are so authentic and never want more from me than maybe attention or a bit of hay Smiler I can "trust" them... I think you are right about my T, it is helpful for her to know what I like and where I'm at, and she probably des pick up on it a bit anyhow. Like the saying goes, "I try to be guarded, but I'm an open book instead."

Dragonfly and Starfish ~ I love that comparison. I'm figuring out my connection and safe base with my T, just as the horse finding it's safe base with me and figuring out it's connection with me. I'm so accepting of the horse doing it... (why then do I beat myself up for doing the very same thing?) We are all kinda figuring it out with each other. Thanks to both of you for the really good encouragement Smiler Smiler Smiler

Seablue ~
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Your feelings of trust are not silly and your fear is not silly. Your body is just giving you information about the situation you are in based on past experiences. I have learned from my T and the many wise people here that you will need to experience being vulnerable without being hurt many times before it will stop feeling dangerous.


I struggle with trust in a way that is really painfully obvious to so many. I never run away, but I struggle to stay in, and feel ok. I try to trust much more than I often can. Over time, kind friends friends and my T have helped me slowly trust a little more, in a real way, that I can handle. Maybe with this T and these horses, it is another place to keep undoing the icky awful stuff and maybe feel ok...

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