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Hi all... I have not posted much lately about how my sessions are going because I have been so confused and stuck in therapy. The only things I have to report lately is that I've been angry with my T and doing my best to push him away from me and to run from the attachment.

I have sent T some angry emails recently. I take offense so easily if he says anything a bit "off" and then I get mad at him and push him away. On weekends I have been very disconnected from him and it can almost feel like he does not even exist outside of his office. This past weekend I hit some grief again related to oldT. I have these very visual thoughts running through my head (I hesitate to call them flashbacks) and lately it has been about his office and how much I miss being there in my sanctuary and my "home". That last day I saw him for a normal session and he told me to go find another T and then called the police... well I didn't know it was the last time I would be there and I never got the chance to go back there to his office. The next 2 times I saw him was with 2 other T's in their offices not his and I never was given time to make my peace and have closure in leaving a place that had come to mean so much to me.

I have struggled with trying to make a new home in my current T's office. I have tried to feel like it was a place I really wanted to be and that felt safe and special to me so I could feel okay to talk to him about the trauma. OldT's office was in an old farmhouse with lots of warmth and charm and my current T is in a sterile office building with a sterile kind of office, except for his bookshelves with lots of gifts from clients. I now sit in an old victorian arm chair with a faded floral pattern. The chair is big enough for me to snuggle down into (I'm not a small person) and I feel protected in that chair. So you can imagine my surprise when I walked into T's suite of offices and saw how he re-arranged the reception room, moving chairs, adding lamps and new pictures and knick knacks. When I commented how disoriented I felt, he told me that "my" chair was also going and he was replacing the two client chairs with new leather chairs!! Eeker Brick wall

I was so upset I started to cry and I told him I hate leather, it's cold and stiff and uncomfortable and slippery. I told him he has managed to make his office even MORE cold than I already see it! He told me that some clients had complained that his old chairs were ratty and horrible and they would not sit in them (he also has a long leather couch in there). So he is taking away my safety and comfort zone and I will be forced once again to try to make myself feel okay in there. I am so angry about this and I know it's over a stupid chair but I don't want to sit on that new chair. He told me I may like it and to give it a chance. Maybe I'll just sit on the floor or drag in a chair from reception. It just feels like another thing he has done to make me feel less safe.

Aside from that I spent the session telling him how I don't feel him there with me when I cry. That he leaves me alone in my pain. that I feel like a specimen he is mildly curious about and is just watching for amusement. And that I am afraid to cry with him now because of that time he chastised me for crying at the end of the session, not leaving him any time to soothe me back to calmness so I could return to work. He said I was unconsciously doing that to set us up for failure. So now I am just shut down.

He listened totally non-defensively and said that he knows I'm just really scared of being attached to him or anyone. And of course that makes sense seeing how it turned out for me last time around. He asked me what I thought attachment meant to me and I said "pain", it means pain. That is all it has ever given me. He nodded and aske me if he has caused me pain through the attachment and I said yes, at times.

I told him that I have had to move away from him because it felt too dangerous to get close to someone as detached and remote and unemotional as he is. I know he was not happy to hear that but he didn't move and said I have critiziced him more than all his other patients put together and that I am a continual challenge. But he also said he thought it was so great that I was not being the good girl. He said he knew I trusted him enough to not feel I had to be a good girl and that was a positive sign.

I told him that I feel like a failure and I was not sure I could ever heal after what happened in my prior therapy and how traumatized and betrayed I was by another T. He said I would heal and that I have already started to heal. He said it was easier for me in the beginning in some ways because I was SO very desperate for connection with anyone after what happened. But as we got closer and as he began to matter to me I got more and more scared. He said that I have been trying to get him to leave me for a long time but that he was not leaving and not giving up on me. I told him I was toxic and surprisingly instead of saying that I was not, he said yes, there is some toxic stuff I'm holding but I am healthy. I asked how I could be toxic and healthy and he said that people get infections but they are basically healthy people aside from that. He said we can eventually get rid of the infection.

On some level I know he is right. I have been pushing and pulling enough to give anyone whiplash and it's out of fear. He also said that it's so hard for me to take in anything good he says to me because I am so afraid he will take it back so I'd rather not have it. He says the only time he gets angry wtih me is when I hurt or punish myself because that makes him very sad. He said the attachment on HIS side is fine and he has no issue with my being attached to him. He tells me such kind things like I work hard, he's proud of me, I'm smart, and brave but I can't FEEL the words. They do not get through and it scares me because I feel like I've been so ruined that nothing can get through the shield I have put around me to protect myself. I'm mostly so numb that my whole body feels like it went to sleep.

In the end he said I was progressing enough that he was pleased with things, that this is all very expected after what happened to me and that he would see me next Tuesday. I knew he was going to cancel me on Thursday due to something he mentioned last week and having an 8 day break is really freaking me out because I'm not feeling connected or secure and my state of mind is chaotic. I know the wait won't "kill" me but it feels like that. He told me to contact him before next week. And he told me to try to take him with me or it would be a long week. So far, I have not been able to feel him with me at all. It's all just a blurry haze. The only thing I remember is that he squeezed my arm on the way out.

I am so tired of this attachment push/pull. I don't know how to end it. He told me it would end when I began to trust him.... and then corrected himself to say when he earned my trust. I just don't even know what to do or say to him when I see him next time and when I walk in and see those dreaded new leather chairs!

TN
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I'm so sorry your going through this push pull factor. I was going through that with my T but eventually I came to realize the unattachment to her was worse than the attachment. I hope you continue to improve and get better with every session! *hugs!* <--- these hugs will have to do since I don't know how to do the fun smiley thingies tee hee
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He said I was unconsciously doing that to set us up for failure.



Gods I hate this one!!! Falling back on the old "unconscious" argument. Gets Ts out of anything. Pshaw.


TN, I may be committing some kind of cardinal sin here, but, aside from that minor peccadillo and his ill-timed office rearranging-- I will just say I am totally jealous of your T!!! He sounds caring without being pushy. But, hurt as you are, building trust with another takes what it takes. I totally believe that your trust will come when the time is right. Hugs to you during your break...

Oh TN - you are feeling so much hurt right now - but you know deep down in that rational and intelligent brain of yours that what you are doing is normal and you are OK. Your T is still proving to you beyond doubt that he will not leave you. He is there for you. You are throwing both barrels at him - I really don't think he is going to flinch. He is a keeper. He will be there for you. Say that 1000 times to yourself.

I don't even notice a thing in my T's office. Today I thought at one point that I must look at her to see what she was wearing and what shoes - so i glanced. I never usually take any notice whatsoever. Is her hair up and down? jewellery, shoes? what is on her desk. I am in a fog and I don't notice. I wouldn't even notice the chair she sits on. However if I did notice stuff - it would really annoy me to have things change - i can really understand that and your anxiety about it. Your T might need a change himself too - something to freshen up his environment.

At the moment you are really emotionally vulnerable so I think any small thing is really significant and makes a big ripple effect for you. Will time fix it? Weathering this storm you are having inside? Is there something you can do to shift something inside - some writing, journaling, art - writing a letter to OLD T and telling him how he has caused you so much grief - but don't send it?

Keep writing TN, I will help as much as I can.
SD
((((TN))))


In looking back at the enactment my T and I had, I saw what a huge role my unmet needs played. When I didn't get my needs met, like, say I wanted to talk about something and T didn't didn't push it out of me, or whatever, I would feel like I did in childhood: that it wasn't important, that I wasn't important, etc. etc. And I would get angry. But then I'd stuff it because that's what I would do when I was little. And the more I stuffed my unmet needs and the anger, the higher T went on the idealization barometer. Now, when I get angry after session (still can't do it in session) I am able to see that what I got upset about wasn't such a big deal, that I can go back and say, geez, I really need to talk about this more and he WILL be accommodating. And it wasn't that I was unimportant, etc.

TN, why are his other client's needs more important than yours? Why can they complain about the chair and he gets rid of it? But you tell him you like it and it means a lot to you and it doesn't matter? He's still going to throw it out and tells you maybe you will like the new stuff?


I do love your T but if he thinks you're doing well considering what you've been through and he's happy with your progress after only a year, I'm afraid he would think I'm a total failure. It would make me a little nervous because he sounds like he's measuring your progress. Do you agree? I would start to feel like I have to perform. And I would start doing all kinds of circus tricks for sure. What is your take on it? You are the client. It should be about what you are getting out of it.

HUGS,

Liese
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I do love your T but if he thinks you're doing well considering what you've been through and he's happy with your progress after only a year, I'm afraid he would think I'm a total failure. It would make me a little nervous because he sounds like he's measuring your progress. Do you agree? I would start to feel like I have to perform. And I would start doing all kinds of circus tricks for sure. What is your take on it? You are the client. It should be about what you are getting out of it.



Thank you all for your support and caring replies....I will be back later to answer you all but I wanted to address this quote now.

Liese, my T only responded with that observation because I told him that I feel like a failure and that I was concerned that I couldn't do this (therapy) any more. That I was too damaged by oldT to be able to do therapy the way I needed to do it. I also told him I was worried I needed to find another T. It is very hard for me to guage any progress I have made (if any) and how far I have come so I usually ask him since, as he says, he is the doctor LOL.

As for his other clients needs/wants being more important than mine... I think it was more that he agreed with them and felt that he should update his office a little. I would have less problem with the change if he was not getting leather chairs. I just really dislike leather as it feels cold and sterile and not cozy, secure and safe like his soft, floral chairs do. He did try to bring my focus back to the fact that HE will still be there and he will be the same. It just feels threatening to my safety to let them go. Aside from that... I am already struggling with feeling safe in his office and trying to not allow the jaring surroundings bother me much. I try to block out most of the stimuli in and outside of his office. There are times when the parking lot below is so noisy I can't hear him or there are sirens blaring (he's on a main road) or horns honking that I find distracting too. I cannot believe I am so upset over this.

Thanks
TN
((TN))--

I feel your pain, my dear. I understand how a change is hard--any change. I am trying to get used to a new T, a new therapy setting, and it's HARD.

I remember once when OLD T got rid of the pillow I LOVED. It was like "WHERE is my pillow?" It wasn't cool. She knew how much I loved that thing.

I'm currently right on the same path you are with the push-pull feelings. The attachment fear....it's a hard place to be at right now.

Much love being sent your way!
I have had the conversation you described with your T many times with my own T. Almost verbatim some of the phrases you wrote. So I have become very emotional reading this because it feels like it is me writing it. Sorry. That makes it hard for me to know what to say to help because I'm still trying to get perspective myself. But I want to offer hugs, (((TN))).

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I can't FEEL the words.

Maybe because if you do feel them then you become more vulnerable? T would have more power to take away something you might treasure and hurt you again? Does part of you want to feel the words and part of you wants to stay numb or angry?
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Maybe because if you do feel them then you become more vulnerable? T would have more power to take away something you might treasure and hurt you again? Does part of you want to feel the words and part of you wants to stay numb or angry?



Thank you Cipher, that is exactly it. We all know what happened last time when I allowed myself to stupidly feel the words. Not a good ending....

Unbroken... I know you are going through this as well. I do empathize and know what you are feeling as well. It took a lot for me to settle into my T's office and now he's taking away my chair, which is my comfort zone in there. Thank you for your support in the midst of your own struggles. Let us know how things are going with you.

Catalyst... if you are out there. Thanks so much for your long post last night. It was so helpful but I cannot respond because it has seemed to vanish today.

Yaku... I know you are in a bad place and struggling yourself with the demons so I totally appreciate you stopping by to offer support and understanding. Take care of you. (((Yaku))))

SD... thank you so much. You are always here to support me through this when you are going through so many of the same things yourself. What you experience in not seeing your T or noticing things about her are very normal and I did it too. For a very long time (and even now at times) I cannot recall my T's face and he has no web presence at all so no pics of him. Thank you for reminding me my T is a keeper and that he won't flinch. I'm sure in the end it will be okay but I think both of us will be tested through this.

Hi muff... nice to meet you and very wise words you speak. I know we have to repeat this over and over again...the leaving and returning and hopefully in the end settling into a safe place.

hi Alpaca... thanks for your support. It's nice to know others can relate to what I write but I'm sorry that you have to...I'm glad things are better with your T!

Hi Jenny... yes the unattachment can also be very painful and my T says I do that to punish myself and it makes him sad. Thanks for the hugs.

Hi effed... yes my T can be caring (even though it's hard for me to see most times) but he can also push me pretty hard. He says I respond well to that but sometimes I get tired and I push him back. I gave away my trust too easily with my oldT and my T says I have learned something from that experience and I'm being more careful this time. He seems okay with the time it will take to trust him again. He reminds me he will have to "earn" my trust. He's a good guy and hopefully one day I will relax about the attachment stuff.

TN
(((((TN))))

Glad to hear t said that in response to a concern of yours. See, I told you I love him. Smiler As far as the chair is concerned, would he consider keeping it for you? Or is space an issue? I like leather myself. It seems cold but really absorbs body heat and I actually prefer it now. Never thought i would say that. It's much easier to clean too. Spray it and it's clean. But so much harder to clean upholstery. Think of all those germs.

Working through all year difficult feelings will be part Of the process for you it seems. Is your t saying that you pick on all these "little" things in an effort to push him away? Did you do that with old t also? Or you pretty much liked everything the way it was?

What has become a huge issue for me is how I feel when I feel like I had no say in the matter, if I am
Left out of the decision making process which triggers all sorts of things from childhood when I Was always left out of the decision making process and really was acted upon. Don't know if
That resonates or not with you.

Why did t have to postpone you until nezt Tuesday? Was
It a surprise or not?
Xoxoxo

Liese
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but he can also push me pretty hard. He says I respond well to that but sometimes I get tired and I push him back. I gave away my trust too easily with my oldT and my T says I have learned something from that experience and I'm being more careful this time. He seems okay with the time it will take to trust him again. He reminds me he will have to "earn" my trust. He's a good guy and hopefully one day I will relax about the attachment stuff.


I like how he said "earn" your trust, instead of getting defensive about it when you "push". I have done the same thing. How does a T "push" when working with someone with trust issues? Especially a recent one. I have had a recent betrayal as well- and my T is the only one I really confide in. How does he do it, and still earn your trust? Don't have to go there, I don't want to push either.

Just curious. My T is also less consistent about when we can meet, but, per my request, he has been regarding me a an adult/equal and said that soon we'll be out of the "dependency phase" and I'll figure it all out, etc. I am OK with that. He will still be there for me in some way, but he's respecting my ability to be autonomous but still have him for support. But yeah, that still is a push. Is that what it is?

My "push" today is my usual desire to figure out how to not need anyone, put all my effort into my work. My yoga studio just painted over a mural that I did not realize that I was attached to, and gave the room a cozy feel. Now the walls are blank beige, the lights are brighter, and the cozy vibe is gone. I felt a weird mixture of indifference, accepting of impermanence, grief, and a bit of numbing out, like I wanted to cry in general but could not. I am trying internally to detach from him, but, as I said, I don't confide in anyone else.. all other relationships are "showtime" or people that I must attend to.


Perhaps your T could put the new leather sofas in the new yoga room? Smiler
I read your post TN and really feel for you.







somehow, you are being really challenged in this situation right now and of course you remember back to the things that were good about old T.

I hear a very young and very vulnerable you that is trembling and scared and not feeling at all secure that he really is there and really does care. I know that place too, in me, and it is so painful and exposed to be in.

But the very fact you ARE IN THIS VULNERABLE place is in itself an indication that the work you are doing with him is good and getting somewhere. You are really stripping right down to the basic fears and longings and wants and the part of you that is so desperately wanting him to be able to hear and listen and care and understand and be safe and steady and reliable and for it to be obvious to you that you matter to him.

This is a painful place to be, but it is place of enormous potential growth, as that young and scared and wanting part of you is finding a voice, is expressing herself to him. And he is hearing and not running away. He is there for that part of you too.

He is respectfully hearing your complaints and crossness and thank goodness he is giving all that space and time.

I think this is positive. Hard, but positive.

When he :

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said I have critiziced him more than all his other patients put together and that I am a continual challenge.


that was quite some comment he made! how did you take that? I wanted to cheer you, as you have the courage and strength and insight to tell him what you don't like and he is well trained enough to hear it and not feel threatened or defensive.

I sincerely hope it gets better for you soon and that the eight day gap has some moments which are nourishing and healing and beautiful for you, so that you can bear it just about.

Hi Liese... yeah part of it that resonates is that something is being done "to me" and I have no say in the matter (regarding his chairs) and of course, in this case, it's not my business how he decorates his office. But it's that feeling of powerlessness that impact me intensely. Also, the loss of something important to me. He did try to tell me that HE would still be there and be the same but I didn't want to hear it. I shut down rather quickly after he told me he was changing the chairs. There would be no room to keep the chair for me.

No, I didn't pick on little stuff with oldT. Not even big stuff too much. I had to be careful with him and not upset him (which was totally wrong). I was more of the good girl with oldT. That is why my T is weirdly okay with me doing this... he feels that I am trusting him enough (even though I protest that) to be me and not the perfect good girl. He sees it as progress.

hi number 9... my T is well aware that trust is earned and to just give it to someone without them proving themselves is risky and foolish (especially after what happened to me las time). I don't know how he decided to push and what to push considering my background. He is just very experienced and I don't know how he makes these choices and decisions. I do know he has a plan but he is also wise enough to modify things or change his ideas when I push back or tell him I'm not ready to do that yet.

number 9... it's not possible for us to not need anyone. We are all "interdependent" and as humans are biologically wired to need others. Maybe you aim to be less dependent but we always need others. How long have you been in therapy with your T?

Hi Sadly, thanks for your support and the comments. T is good about hearing what I have to say and he has at times done things to let me know he takes me seriously. I think he is aware that I have a lot of anger and that he should not take it personally. And some of this is the kid who is scared and so instead of crying stomps her foot and gets petulant.

Six sleeps to go.

TN
Well... it was NOT a good idea to try to talk to my sister about how I'm feeling with regard to T's new leather chairs. She thinks I'm an idiot which didn't help me manage the fear I'm feeling about returning to his office. She told me the whole issue is "minutia"... basically less than trivial and I am just being dramatic and what does it matter what kind of chair I sit on or where the chair is. Bottom line is that I should just get over it.

So, today I still have these feelings of fear at what I will find in his office next week. I have no idea when he is getting the new furniture. All the changes he is making is just adding to my insecurity and fear because now that he has changed the door, the reception room decor and now his office, will he change next? Will he or is he the same person? It just feels like I'm starting over again and it brings back the feelings of terror and trauma I felt when I was going around trying to find a T after my oldT abandoned me.

I have been going around and around with the feelings of fear, loss, and powerlessness that this is evoking in me to the point that I don't want to go back to therapy. Of course, this is all "minutia" so I should just get over it.

TN
(((TN)))

I'm sorry your sister was so dismissive and negating of your concerns. I think you know that it isn't all minutia. You have very real concerns and fears around your therapeutic relationship changing suddenly and irrevocably. Your experience has taught you that can happen. I don't think that will happen in this case and I suspect neither do you. I think the more important things (in your sister's view) about therapy will stay constant and consistent but the fact you can't be sure of that isn't surprising to anyone who is aware of the effects of trauma (not just people who have experienced traumatic events but people who have worked through or are open to working through those events).

If you are like me you know or strongly suspect that your sister wouldn't be supportive and would tell you to get over it. I still ask for a variety of reasons including the hope that this time my sister/mother/other person will respond differently than I expect and prove to me that it is a big deal. Or I want to hurt myself by talking to someone who invalidates me to prove I'm overreacting and it isn't a big deal. Or maybe you want to grieve what you don't have in the relationship with your sister. Or maybe you will be able to contrast your sister's reaction and behaviour with your T's acceptance and understanding of your feelings and find a way to believe in your T until the next time you see him.

I am thinking of you and wish I could speed up time to make your next session come sooner.

It's not minutia and talking to a family member about this kind of stuff usually isn't a good idea unless they've done therapy of their own. I talk to my one sister who has done as much therapy as I have, but I do not discuss therapy nor any of the emotions evoked by therapy with any other family member. So let's start by deciding to ignore your sister, lovely woman though I am sure she is.

I cross-posted with Incognito, but came back to add that I really liked what she said about the different possibilities of why you contacted her sister. That seems very insightful to me.

I think the problem you're running into is in believing this is about the chairs. It's not. It's about your sense of safety, and wish for stability and feeling like your attachment figure is holding still so that you know where to find him when you return. None of these are trivial issues. This only looks silly if you insist on seeing it out of context. There is an incredible amount of symbolic weight to our Ts office environment.

All that said, it is also important to recognize that although feelings of danger, and fear are being evoked by the chair, the truth is that your T is not changing, he is just getting new chairs. If you bought a new set of living room furniture, would that make you a different person who feels differently about your husband and son? (ok, let's presume your son has NOT spilled chocolate milk on the new couch Smiler) So, there is no need to beat yourself up for feeling this way, but it's also ok to work on realizing that the sense of danger is from the past and there is no real threat here. Just discomfort and you can face that.

As a matter of fact, this IS the work of therapy. Looking at the feelings of fear, loss and powerlessness (my LEAST favorite of all emotions! I'm sorry!) and why they are being evoked by this seemingly "inconsequential" change is important to examine and understand.

It also might be a good idea to email or call your T and find out when the new furniture is supposed to be delivered. That way you will know what to expect when you next see him. It's only a request for information and I do not think your T would have any problem telling you when the furniture was coming.

Last but not least, spend some time thinking about reasonable requests you could make, that would make you feel safer in his office. For example, you hate the feel of leather (I'm not a big fan of leather furniture either), what if you brought in a large throw or loose slipcover that would allow you to sit on fabric when your there but could be removed otherwise so your not dictating your Ts decor, but you are helping yourself feel safe. My T was always open to things I asked for that he knew would help me. It can be scary to ask for what we need, because of our past, but that's important to experience also. That we can ask for what we need, be heard and get our needs met.

It might really help to contact your T to experience that he's still the same person. There were times when I was away from my T when he would start morphing into this distant, angry, frustrated, cold figure. It was amazing what a two minute phone call could do. Hearing his voice and the warmth and care, would dissipate the monster I had created in my father's image and remind me of exactly who my T was.

Hug two

AG
Update is that my T did call me back this afternoon and the call went well. He was very understanding and kind and his voice was... well I think it sounded empathic Eeker

He would totally love hearing me say that.

I started out calmly but then dissolved into tears about my fears of the changes and then him changing and me being cancelled today and how the fear and powerlessness was overwhelming and I could not control my emotions. He asked me a lot of questions about why I had these feelings and what did they mean to me. He told me that I get attached to "things" because it feels safe to me to attach the security to things because the people who should have protected me and kept me safe all failed me. He told me he will be the same and he will be there to protect me. I told him I couldnt' allow him to do that and he asked me why. I told him because people always fail me and give me pain. He asked if he had done that to me. I told him he had hurt me at times but it was not on purpose. Then I asked him when his office would be changed and he said by Monday (I go on Tuesday). I told him I was afraid to go back to his office. He told me it would be okay and I would find him to be the same. I asked him if it would be okay for me to sit on the floor. He said that would be fine and he would sit on the floor with me. Then he said, we will both have backaches LOL. I laughed and said that getting up would be a bit undignified and he laughed and said "it is what it is". He told me to call him if I need him before Tuesday, even over the weekend. I said I'd see him on Tuesday and he said he would not be surprised to hear from me before that.

And so hearing his calm and "caretaking" voice calmed my nervous system a lot. But the fact remains that there are two parts to this. One is the psychological part of what the chair represents and what it triggers in me and the other part is that I just do not like leather chairs. I am sure his won't be a light color (which I would prefer) because it would show dirt more easily. I have worked hard to figure out why I hate leather chairs of any kind (even seats in cars). They look cold and hard. They scream formality, masculinity, business only, and snobby wealth. Aside from this they make noise when you move in them and they are either too slippery or they stick to your skin. A friend suggested that we discuss ways of making me feel more comfortable physically in them. Like buying a chair cover (we found one one Amazon that comes with a matching pillow in chenille) that I can bring with me and fold up and take with me when I leave there or I can ask to bring in a chair from reception or continue to sit on the floor. I understand that this could be helpful but honestly, dragging in a chair from reception would be hard twice a week and those chairs are hard and small. The chair cover option requires me to have extra time to put on my jacket and fold up the cover and then put my blanket away and I only get 45 minutes as it is. I always feel like I have to run out of there so the thought of doing the folding up bit is freaking me out. Sigh. Maybe he will have a better solution. He has no closets to stash my seat cover so I will be carrying it with me each time. My blanket now is hung on the back of a chair in the far corner of his office that no one ever uses.

So although I feel more emotionally contained I still have trepidation in going to his office and seeing the changes and having to deal with where I sit. I don't think I will go in if he is not there (he is usually on his walk when I get there) and I will wait for him to come in with me. I need him there to support me.

The main thing is that he didn't make me feel stupid for feeling this way and told me it was very understandable that I was having this reaction and it was okay and he was willing to talk about it. He wants to protect and care for me, I just have to find the courage to risk letting him do that.

Thanks to everyone for your kind understanding. This place is the best.

TN
((((TN)))))

I love your T. Even though I am sad that you were in so much pain during your phone call, I'm really pleased for you because of how he handled it. I'm glad that he was able to calm you down.

As far as the changes in furnishings and the feelings, I get that. I would probably FLIP if my T redecorated especially if I didn't know in advance and the furniture felt really different. I'm a very tactile person and I also like the predictability and safety that comes from the office always looking the same. Plus, my T's furniture has special secret hidden pictures in it and if I didn't have those for grounding I'm not sure what I'd do! T and I have talked about redecorating and had many laughs over what would be "approved". In fact, she even said she'd have to take me furniture shopping with her! (Totally joking of course). My point is that you are not alone in finding comfort in the surroundings and "things" in your T's office. I hope that the change isn't as upsetting as you fear and that you will soon feel like home in the "new" office. Your T WILL be the same. He will.

Hug two
Thanks STRM, Morgs and Sadly for your comments and endorsement of my T! In my "saner" moments I know I am with the right person and I look forward to the day when my trust will actually be solid and I will then feel his care more consistently. Right now it's very fleeting.

I'm feeling pretty good today. Much more calm. Not sure it will last until Tuesday but I know I can contact him again.

Thanks guys,
TN
((((TN)))) I am so glad for how the call went. One of my T's offices is very formal and business-y and not at all homey feeling. The other is a bit better in decor, but has a leather couch, which I also hate. He changed the second office from one that was MUCH more homey and comfortable feeling without warning on me a few weeks ago and I wasted nearly a whole session in complete anxiety. T does so much to accommodate me and was making changes to things that he noticed bothering me and that actually felt worse, to be taken care of and protected in that way. Whenever he takes a protective stance toward me, it triggers this sort of, "Finally..." feeling, immediately followed by a, "This isn't safe!" sort of running away in which I literally push away T's care. I know you understand. I'm sorry this change will be so hard, but I think your T is 100% there for you, steady, unchanging, and able to walk (or sit in the floor Wink ) through it with you. One thing...when we first started sitting on the floor together, I was not at all prepared for the effect that it would have on me. I think it was that single action that led to the rollercoaster that led to the parts work we are doing now. It might be different with you, because at the time, I had never had any proximity with my T and yours has shaken your hand and patted your arm and such. But, for some reason, sitting on the same surface stirred up an incredible amount of comfort and pain for me. I'm not saying it will be the same with you...just something to be aware of, as it made all my millions of reactions and my hyper-vigilance on any signs of abuse or rejection go crazy. Wink
(((((TN)))))

Your T is Great and I am so glad you got the reassurance you needed. You don't know yet what kind of leather he is buying. Full-grain leather is the type that has not been sanded or buffed and it feels very soft. It also has breathability. Top grain leather has a colder finish to it. Hopefully he bought a full grain leather couch and you will find it To be just as comfy and warm.

Xoxo

Liese
Ugh. TN, I feel for you with your sister's response. Since I started therapy, I have come to believe the world truly is divided into those who 'get' therapy and those who don't. I don't know if this is true for you as well, but sometimes these 'little things' that bother me within the therapeutic sphere would never phase me in other circumstances. So, in spite of myself, there's a part that identifies with the nagging family members... but we must not let them win!!! Smiler

big hugs
Hi TN -
I hope you are doing a bit better with this new struggle. I so understand how difficult change can be, even if it is just "furniture".
My T has always had leather chairs in her office, which are comfy, recliners. She likes the leather because she feels they are "strong" and can withstand much, and hold up. (metaphors I guess)
I always sit in the same chair, as does she. BUT there are times she asks me to sit in her chair so that I can see her writing on the dry erase board. I HATE THIS! I feel very strange sitting in "her" chair, and she in mine. It's just wrong to me.
Your T seems so very good to you though, and I am confident you can work through this with him.
You are in my thoughts.
Hug two
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Glad that you are in a more peaceful place about this TN and .... I love your T. I just knew he would be there for me. Whenever your belief waivers - just email me and I will remind you Big Grin

I gained a lot out of this thread - as usual. It was thought provoking - i was learning thru your pain TN,,,

I emailed my T (we wont process it until next week) about it because I hold no value in the surroundings in her office, i never notice anything about her - I do remember her face a bit - but I have known her for decades, so I should. But i can leave and have NO memory of what she wore or what the room looked like. I don't take notice.

Something AG said about the surroundings needing to be safe - I will need to think about it some more. But - I don't notice T, don't notice the surroundings - that is ***I think** because I am on high alert and I am not feeling safe and I don't want to "spill the beans". I don't want to notice things because then I will feel comfortable and the child will come out of me and tell T everything I don't want her to know.

I have just written all that and now I will need to think about it.

By the way - T might already be onto this because next visit we are going for a walk to a park to do therapy instead of staying in her room. She wants my child part to feel more comfortable to talk.

Anyway glad your T could talk with you TN.

SD
Thanks to all of you who wrote and supported me. I really appreciated it.

Last night was rough and I'm leaving in an hour for my session. I emailed T last night telling him how I was really scared to see him today and see his office. I asked him for reassurance and to tell me it would be okay.

He wrote back a very nice email this morning but he said "there will be changes" which makes me feel like it's more than just new chairs... it's probably that the entire place looks different and this is making me feel worse. He asked me to look at it as him making a reinvestment in his office for the long-term (meaning he's not leaving to go anywhere). He also said he hopes that I like it. Which was nice for him to say since I'm freaking out and angry at him for getting rid of my chair while at the same time trying valiantly to accept and recognize that it's HIS office and he can do what he damn pleases with it. It's a boundary thing I know. But it's impacting my ability to relate to him and I feel like I'm thrown back to those days of going from T to T to T trying to find a place that didn't scare the hell out of me. I just feel like I'm falling apart again over this.

I just feel really unhappy with everything.

TN
((TN)) Hope you are okay, looking forward to hearing how it went. Sessions after break, in my experience, are not typically the most marvelous things going.

Sorry the office was changed when you got there... grr. Sometimes for me to get used to new stuff I need to spend time with it (I refused to sit down in my T2's lobby for quite some time after it was renovated and new furniture added because me and the surroundings needed to 'make friends' first). Actually, come to think of that I adjust to new things in my life a lot like that too. Yesterday I bought a new piece of technology that I was SO EXCITED to play with but I actually just sat with the box for a really long time - When I got new furniture in the apartment I spent a lot of time looking at it, sitting on the floor beside it, etc before I felt like sitting on it (heh my T has done this same thing with me - leaving EMDR equipment out so that I adjust to it just BEING THERE before I could even do anything with it... ugh I hate when she figures me out before I do, dammit). ANYWAY good for you for not sitting in it if you didn't feel ready or want to! You have to do what you have to do to feel comfortable and I think and hope you will adjust to the new stuff in time and find ways to make it work for you.

Thinking of you.
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accept and recognize that it's HIS office and he can do what he damn pleases with it. It's a boundary thing I know. But it's impacting my ability to relate to him


TN, I can feel some of your pain. And, it is just that, PAIN.

My T expanded her office space, which means she moved down the hall, to the other side of the waiting area, and it was a shock at first. The light, from the windows, too bright, the coffee table gone, ... I can't remember when she made this change but it was months ago and I just braved to tell her I hate it and I want the other office back. She did say, "Shoud I redecorate," which ended the conversation, But, really, it was deeper than that. And, I think she misses that. As a psychologist I EXPECT her to predict this. To get this. To encourage deeper conversations. But, they just die. The conversations.

I hope today was okay and sorry I haven't been online much to offer support (these meds I started on are tough).
Thanks Ninn for your support. I'm sorry your meds are so difficult for you and I hope in time they come to help you.

Not sure why your T allows those conversations to die. Maybe you shouldn't let them die and tell her you still need to talk about those things. I think an experienced T should understand how changing their office would impact a patient and be ready to talk about it and hear the patient's feelings.

Hang in there with the meds. Thinking of you.

TN

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