I'm just so confused as to why I don't have a need for motherly connection, but I feel such chaos toward fatherly figures. I'm wondering if it's common to only feel drawn toward one or the other?
My last thread trying to figure out why we might be drawn to one attachment figure or the other has my wheels really turning in my mind now... I wanted to see what your guys experience is if you don't mind sharing? I'm so curious about this
I'm just so confused as to why I don't have a need for motherly connection, but I feel such chaos toward fatherly figures. I'm wondering if it's common to only feel drawn toward one or the other?
I'm just so confused as to why I don't have a need for motherly connection, but I feel such chaos toward fatherly figures. I'm wondering if it's common to only feel drawn toward one or the other?
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quote:I don't have a need for motherly connection, but I feel such chaos toward fatherly figures
bingo!
only, just now i'm wondering if it's not that i don't have a need for a motherly connection, but just that i always kind of felt repulsed by my mother (sorry, mom!). i'm trying to imagine what it would have felt like to have had a really good, healthy connection with mom ... or A mom.
God, so much of it comes down to simply being positively acknowledged as a human being and therefore validated. such a simple thing, really. sigh.
AH: This is a great question. Logically, I thought I would be drawn to a female as an attachment figure but it seems it becomes convoluted and I choose to stay away from both due to either I lose myself in the attachment or think they should lose themselves in the attachment to me. (Yikes, don't know if this makes sense).
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AH--Intriguing! My first impulse was to check "both" because of a couple of male teachers I had growing up, but I am more drawn to females overall.
A curious thing: when my T annoys me, occasionally I'll look at her and think, "She looks like my mother." Hmmm! I'm not sure what THAT says about my attachment to her!
A curious thing: when my T annoys me, occasionally I'll look at her and think, "She looks like my mother." Hmmm! I'm not sure what THAT says about my attachment to her!
((AH)) This is a very intriguing question. It has made me really think about some things. I came from an abusive childhood. The male in my life was the abuser. It has made me start to wonder if that may be the reason I don't have a good bond or attachment with my T who is a guy. I have been so afraid emotionally to trust him the way I should. I'm honestly not even sure if he is aware of that. But it is giving me something to think about. Thanks again.
(((CD, TAS, exploring, eme)))
Thank you guys for responses!! I'm glad this is good food for thought... I wanted to share some stuff I found online that may shed a little more light on the questions raised here. I did get it from wikipedia, so do keep that in mind as far as accuracy goes, but it was the most understandable language and closest in answering my question that I could find, and it made sense to me. Hope it helps untangle some of this?
Fathers as attachment figures
Studies have found that the father is a child’s preferred attachment figure in approximately 5-20% of cases. Fathers and mothers may react differently to the same behaviour in an infant, and the infant may react to the parents’ behaviour differently depending on which parent performs it.
Predictors and Correlations of Father-Child Attachment
The child
- Male children are more likely to prefer their father as an attachment figure than female children are
- Children are more likely to be attached to their father during their late childhood to early adolescence. Infants and young adults are less likely to seek attachment to their fathers.
- The infant’s temperament can influence the role that the father plays in child rearing. A great deal of research has shown that fathers are less likely to be involved with their infant if the infant has a difficult temperament. Furthermore, one study suggests that this lack of paternal involvement in the case of fussy infants may negatively impact the mother’s relationship with her child if the mother believes that the paternal care giving role is important.
The father
- Research on whether or not paternal sensitivity has an effect on the security of father-child attachment has produced mixed results. Some studies have shown significant correlations between paternal sensitivity and secure father-child attachments. One study suggests that a father’s sensitivity while playing with his child is as important to the child-father attachment relationship as maternal sensitivity during caregiving is for the child-mother attachment relationship. Furthermore, one study has found that the negative impact of a father’s frightening behaviours on a child’s future development can be mitigated if the father also has high levels of paternal sensitivity. Having a father who is both insensitive and exhibits frightening behaviours during infancy has been linked to emotional under-regulation at the age of 2 as well as attention problems at the age of 7. However, other studies have failed to find a correlation between paternal sensitivity and infant-father attachment
- The level of attachment security that a father had with his parents when he was a child may influence his own child’s attachment security in the sense that his child may end up having a similar level of attachment security. However, this effect is most likely to occur when the father has sole custody of his child. The father’s level of attachment security in his adult relationships may also have an indirect impact on the child-father attachment. This is because fathers who have a secure attachment style in adult relationships tend to have lower levels of parenting stress, lower levels of abuse potential, and a greater amount of knowledge about child development.
- One study has found that whether or not the father’s beliefs about the importance of paternal caregiving have an impact on the security of the father-child attachment relationship depends on the temperament of the child. Fathers who believe that the paternal caregiving role is important are only more likely to have securely attached infants in the case of very fussy infants. The authors of this study suggest that the reason that this finding is limited to fussy infants could be because difficult children may be more susceptible to both the positive and the negative effects of their rearing environments than non-difficult children.
Family context
- Two important spousal factors have been found to have a relationship with father-infant attachment security: marital intimacy and supportive co-parenting. In the case of marital intimacy, research has shown that a higher level of marital intimacy is correlated with a more secure father-infant attachment relationship, and that deteriorating marital intimacy is correlated with negative father-child interaction. In terms of supportive co-parenting, one study has found that both observed and self-reported supportive co-parenting predict a more secure father-infant attachment, even after controlling for father sensitivity. This study did not find a correlation between supportive co-parenting and the mother-infant attachment relationship.
However, when the infants in this study were divided by gender and analyzed separately, the results were quite different. When the infant was a boy, observed supportive co-parenting was associated with greater mother-infant attachment security and self-reported supportive co-parenting was related to greater father-infant attachment security. When the infant was a girl, supportive co-parenting was related to neither the infant-mother attachment security nor the infant-father attachment security. The authors of this study suggest that one possible explanation for this gender difference is that parents might try to hide their marital conflict more from their daughters than from their sons causing sons to be more sensitive to differences in whether or not their parents engage in supportive co-parenting.
-Research has found that fathers who spend more time with their infants tend to have more positive interactions with them, which helps foster the attachment security of the infant. Fathers who work longer hours are less likely to have securely attached infants
Unique properties of father-child attachment
Generally, research has found that, compared to mothers, fathers tend to fill more of a “play-mate” role for their children, rather than a “caregiver” role. Various studies have found that fathers are more likely than mothers to encourage risk-taking and exploration in their children by engaging their young children in physical play and initiating games that are both unpredictable and enjoyable. Most infants tend to prefer contact with their mothers when they are distressed and seeking comfort, and contact with their fathers when they are in more positive emotional states and seeking play. Furthermore, a study on frightening behaviours has suggested that young children may internalize interactions with their mother and father differently in a way that reflects these different roles.
The study found that when sensitive fathers engage in frightening behaviours, the paternal sensitivity mitigates the negative effects of frightening behaviours, however, when mothers engage in frightening behaviours, maternal sensitivity does not mitigate the negative effects. Some researchers believe that that this occurs because frightening behaviours are more compatible with the father’s play-mate role than they are with the mother’s role of providing comfort when the child is distressed. They suggest that it may have more of a negative impact on a child when the person who the child is supposed to go to when distressed is the one who is causing the distress.
In fact, these researchers believe that children may respond more positively to frightening behaviours exhibited by the father when their mother is nearby, although this has yet to be proven. Research has shown that fathers, compared to mothers, are less able to detect low levels of infant distress, which may contribute to the mother’s greater tendency to fulfill more of a “caregiving” role for the child. However, when fathers are required to act as caregivers for their child, such as in situations when the mother is working, they soon become very capable in fulfilling all of the responsibilities that traditionally belong to the mother, and they even begin to serve as a secure base for their child when the child explores its environment.
Effects of Father-Child Attachment Types on Future Development
Secure vs. Insecure Attachment to Father
Children who have a secure attachment to their father tend to have improved developmental outcomes in a variety of ways including having improved social abilities with their peers, having fewer problem behaviours, and the paternal effects on developing a greater level of emotional self-regulation are especially significant. Furthermore, one study found that 11-13 month old infants who were securely attached to their fathers were more sociable with strangers in the Strange Situation Test.
The mother-infant attachment security, on the other hand, had no effect on sociability with strangers in this study. In addition, having a secure father-child attachment relationship can help compensate for potentially harmful effects resulting from an insecure mother-child attachment relationship.
Thank you guys for responses!! I'm glad this is good food for thought... I wanted to share some stuff I found online that may shed a little more light on the questions raised here. I did get it from wikipedia, so do keep that in mind as far as accuracy goes, but it was the most understandable language and closest in answering my question that I could find, and it made sense to me. Hope it helps untangle some of this?
Fathers as attachment figures
Studies have found that the father is a child’s preferred attachment figure in approximately 5-20% of cases. Fathers and mothers may react differently to the same behaviour in an infant, and the infant may react to the parents’ behaviour differently depending on which parent performs it.
Predictors and Correlations of Father-Child Attachment
The child
- Male children are more likely to prefer their father as an attachment figure than female children are
- Children are more likely to be attached to their father during their late childhood to early adolescence. Infants and young adults are less likely to seek attachment to their fathers.
- The infant’s temperament can influence the role that the father plays in child rearing. A great deal of research has shown that fathers are less likely to be involved with their infant if the infant has a difficult temperament. Furthermore, one study suggests that this lack of paternal involvement in the case of fussy infants may negatively impact the mother’s relationship with her child if the mother believes that the paternal care giving role is important.
The father
- Research on whether or not paternal sensitivity has an effect on the security of father-child attachment has produced mixed results. Some studies have shown significant correlations between paternal sensitivity and secure father-child attachments. One study suggests that a father’s sensitivity while playing with his child is as important to the child-father attachment relationship as maternal sensitivity during caregiving is for the child-mother attachment relationship. Furthermore, one study has found that the negative impact of a father’s frightening behaviours on a child’s future development can be mitigated if the father also has high levels of paternal sensitivity. Having a father who is both insensitive and exhibits frightening behaviours during infancy has been linked to emotional under-regulation at the age of 2 as well as attention problems at the age of 7. However, other studies have failed to find a correlation between paternal sensitivity and infant-father attachment
- The level of attachment security that a father had with his parents when he was a child may influence his own child’s attachment security in the sense that his child may end up having a similar level of attachment security. However, this effect is most likely to occur when the father has sole custody of his child. The father’s level of attachment security in his adult relationships may also have an indirect impact on the child-father attachment. This is because fathers who have a secure attachment style in adult relationships tend to have lower levels of parenting stress, lower levels of abuse potential, and a greater amount of knowledge about child development.
Lower levels of parenting stress particularly have been found to be correlated with higher levels of attachment security in the father-child attachment relationship.
- One study has found that whether or not the father’s beliefs about the importance of paternal caregiving have an impact on the security of the father-child attachment relationship depends on the temperament of the child. Fathers who believe that the paternal caregiving role is important are only more likely to have securely attached infants in the case of very fussy infants. The authors of this study suggest that the reason that this finding is limited to fussy infants could be because difficult children may be more susceptible to both the positive and the negative effects of their rearing environments than non-difficult children.
Family context
- Two important spousal factors have been found to have a relationship with father-infant attachment security: marital intimacy and supportive co-parenting. In the case of marital intimacy, research has shown that a higher level of marital intimacy is correlated with a more secure father-infant attachment relationship, and that deteriorating marital intimacy is correlated with negative father-child interaction. In terms of supportive co-parenting, one study has found that both observed and self-reported supportive co-parenting predict a more secure father-infant attachment, even after controlling for father sensitivity. This study did not find a correlation between supportive co-parenting and the mother-infant attachment relationship.
However, when the infants in this study were divided by gender and analyzed separately, the results were quite different. When the infant was a boy, observed supportive co-parenting was associated with greater mother-infant attachment security and self-reported supportive co-parenting was related to greater father-infant attachment security. When the infant was a girl, supportive co-parenting was related to neither the infant-mother attachment security nor the infant-father attachment security. The authors of this study suggest that one possible explanation for this gender difference is that parents might try to hide their marital conflict more from their daughters than from their sons causing sons to be more sensitive to differences in whether or not their parents engage in supportive co-parenting.
-Research has found that fathers who spend more time with their infants tend to have more positive interactions with them, which helps foster the attachment security of the infant. Fathers who work longer hours are less likely to have securely attached infants
Unique properties of father-child attachment
Generally, research has found that, compared to mothers, fathers tend to fill more of a “play-mate” role for their children, rather than a “caregiver” role. Various studies have found that fathers are more likely than mothers to encourage risk-taking and exploration in their children by engaging their young children in physical play and initiating games that are both unpredictable and enjoyable. Most infants tend to prefer contact with their mothers when they are distressed and seeking comfort, and contact with their fathers when they are in more positive emotional states and seeking play. Furthermore, a study on frightening behaviours has suggested that young children may internalize interactions with their mother and father differently in a way that reflects these different roles.
The study found that when sensitive fathers engage in frightening behaviours, the paternal sensitivity mitigates the negative effects of frightening behaviours, however, when mothers engage in frightening behaviours, maternal sensitivity does not mitigate the negative effects. Some researchers believe that that this occurs because frightening behaviours are more compatible with the father’s play-mate role than they are with the mother’s role of providing comfort when the child is distressed. They suggest that it may have more of a negative impact on a child when the person who the child is supposed to go to when distressed is the one who is causing the distress.
In fact, these researchers believe that children may respond more positively to frightening behaviours exhibited by the father when their mother is nearby, although this has yet to be proven. Research has shown that fathers, compared to mothers, are less able to detect low levels of infant distress, which may contribute to the mother’s greater tendency to fulfill more of a “caregiving” role for the child. However, when fathers are required to act as caregivers for their child, such as in situations when the mother is working, they soon become very capable in fulfilling all of the responsibilities that traditionally belong to the mother, and they even begin to serve as a secure base for their child when the child explores its environment.
Effects of Father-Child Attachment Types on Future Development
Secure vs. Insecure Attachment to Father
Children who have a secure attachment to their father tend to have improved developmental outcomes in a variety of ways including having improved social abilities with their peers, having fewer problem behaviours, and the paternal effects on developing a greater level of emotional self-regulation are especially significant. Furthermore, one study found that 11-13 month old infants who were securely attached to their fathers were more sociable with strangers in the Strange Situation Test.
The mother-infant attachment security, on the other hand, had no effect on sociability with strangers in this study. In addition, having a secure father-child attachment relationship can help compensate for potentially harmful effects resulting from an insecure mother-child attachment relationship.
I picked female.
I don't understand this whole attachment thing very well - at all.
But I do tend to gravitate more to females. I know I was attached to my last T - who got fired. But the boundaries there were all sorts of muddled.
My T is on vacation now and I told her I was uncertain if I wanted her to go - and she said she thinks I'm becoming attached. She's available by phone and email - but I don't think of her often and have no desire nor need to make contact.
So I don't even know if I know how to attach
I think that I don't like this therapy thing very much.
I don't understand this whole attachment thing very well - at all.
But I do tend to gravitate more to females. I know I was attached to my last T - who got fired. But the boundaries there were all sorts of muddled.
My T is on vacation now and I told her I was uncertain if I wanted her to go - and she said she thinks I'm becoming attached. She's available by phone and email - but I don't think of her often and have no desire nor need to make contact.
So I don't even know if I know how to attach
I think that I don't like this therapy thing very much.
(((lucy))) I'm sorry it's hard I have many days I don't like this therapy thing much either! I'm still learning a lot about what it means to connect with others, and it sounds like if you felt a connection with your last T, I'm thinking you do know how. I can't help but wonder if your feelings about current T might be influenced by the fact that things sound like they didn't end so well with last T? Could be way off there, but I imagine it might be scary in that situation trusting again, I know I feel that way going from my last T to my current one. Keep hanging in there!
(((AH)))
Thanks for posting all that info. My Dad was my attachment figure but I think it was because he felt guilty about being in the psych ward when my mother gave birth to me. She offhandedly remarked not too long ago that he walked to floor with me at night when I cried as an infant. I always was daddy's girl. My mother was too into her attachment with my brother. I wish I could say I reaped all the benefits of being attached to Dad that they talked about.
Thanks for posting all that info. My Dad was my attachment figure but I think it was because he felt guilty about being in the psych ward when my mother gave birth to me. She offhandedly remarked not too long ago that he walked to floor with me at night when I cried as an infant. I always was daddy's girl. My mother was too into her attachment with my brother. I wish I could say I reaped all the benefits of being attached to Dad that they talked about.
(((liese))) no problem! (again I hope it was accurate, but all I could find) I hear you about wishing to have the benefits!
quote:but just that i always kind of felt repulsed by my mother (sorry, mom!). i'm trying to imagine what it would have felt like to have had a really good, healthy connection with mom ... or A mom.
(((CD))) so totally there with you!
AH - only the mother figure ever!
(((morgs))) As I read your post I had an aha moment... I'm still in small amounts of contact with my mom, but completely cut off contact from my dad. Maybe that has something to do with it? Maybe she's still filling that spot in my mind, even though there's no emotional connection...
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