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Hi Everyone,

This is my first "real" post. I wanted some feed back on a situation that I am going to have to get closure on without the participation of the two therapists involved.

I know that I have done everything possible to try and resolve this appropriately and it is getting bigger and messier. I've counseled with four therapists about it and three bishops in my church. At this point, my current therapist and bishop say it's time to move on. The Ts' perceptions are their perceptions, etc. Anyway, I wrote this "final" email to the therapist who now supervises the therapist I transferred with more than two years ago. Its taken on a legal tone and it involves a program that someone in my family is still utilizing the program. I just want to know if you think this is a clean, clear email that doesn't sound like I'm begging or accusing, that gives information and treats them appropriately without a feel of revenge or disdain.

I have changed all names. T5 is the therapist's current supervisor. T4 is my current therapist. T3 is the therapist that helped me identify the transference and abandonment. T2 is the previous supervisor of T1 who is the object of the transfer. Sorry if this is confusing and long.

Here's the letter

Dear T5,

I’ve given a lot of thought to sending you this email. I understand from T4 that you are not going to discuss the situation with T1 with me. Still, there are some things I need to say.
1. I was shocked and surprised by your email to me accusing me of behavior bordering on “stalking and harassment”. It was inappropriate, reckless and inaccurate. Your words and tone disregarded everything you know personally about me and your accusations have no basis in fact.

You stated in the email that as your “friend and administrator”… However, you did not speak to me as if I was your friend, a former client of the program, the family member of a current client of the program, or as if you were a therapist. I’m not sure where you were coming from in that email.

2. Contrary to your understanding, I was NEVER told not to contact T1. I was told by T2, not to discuss this situation with anyone at the program and I have not. T2 also told me that she asked you to speak with T1 and me together. The only time I “spoke” about this to T2 was in February and everything else was via email. If someone told you that I was given a no contact rule with regard to T1, I suggest you ask to see it in writing; it did not occur.

3. When I learned that you knew about this situation, I was concerned about our relationship. But, I thought that you would at least hear me. I never thought that you would draw conclusions from limited information.

4. The chronology of events that you shared with T4 is incorrect. Your facts are inaccurate. T3 has all of my emails and writing with dates in the office. They are there until I am ready to get rid of them permanently.

I have not engaged in any behavior that even resembles stalking or harassment. I emailed T1 sporadically; often with months in between I have not spoken to T1 nor shown up to see him at the program since January 2010. At that time, he knew I would be stopping while I was in town. I have never violated his personal space, family, shown up where he was or anything of the sort. The emails I sent were not harassment in any way. T3 has the copies if you would like to read them. On just about every occasion, when I asked a question of T1 his response was no response. He simply ignored the question. He didn’t say “no.” He didn’t set a boundary. He simply did not respond.
a. Hypothetically, if there was a no contact rule, why would the program make the decision to place my family member back in therapy with T1, whether for two months, two weeks or two days? T2 was aware of the family member's concerns about T1’s behavior towards me. Family member had dreams where she’s screaming at T1, why don’t you talk to family member? Why can’t you even say hello? She’s told me, “I don’t know why he can’t just say hello. That’s just plain rude.” I have always told her, this is just the way T1 needs to handle this situation. I’ve never expressed anything except gratefulness towards him.
b. The dynamic that has been created now with Family member seeing T1 is ridiculous (during T2's family leave). You indicated to T4 that it’s my family member's therapy and if she’s uncomfortable, she can take care of herself. Well, you don’t know my family member and you seem to be unaware of the power a therapist has on a client. Even with her upset, anger and confusion, family member loves T1. The real question is how can anyone who knows family member asks her to separate the relationship with her family member and the relationship with her beloved T1 who has outwardly shown disregard for me?

Now, it is simply something we will live with. I reiterate that changing family member's therapy now would be extremely detrimental to her. So, please just leave it the way it is.

6. I am the only person who has taken any responsibility for this mess. My questions, concerns, attempts to understand and gain closure have been met 100% by deaf ears and stonewalls, as well as some legalese. Your email to me and comments to T4 seem to be more of the same. Professionally, I actually thought you would like to really understand this situation so that it doesn’t happen again.

7. The idea that T1 or you are acting in my best interest to help me let go or move on is nonsense. The idea that you are not willing to discuss it with me for the same reasons is also nonsense. T5, you don’t have enough information to make that judgment. There are three therapists (T2, T3 and T4) that all have tried to help me gain some closure from T1 and/or the program. Does that mean anything to you?

8. I do feel very hurt T5. I have lost my entire program family and friends. Thank God I have not let that spread to the knowledge, tools and healing I gained through the process. There is certainly a part of me that feels vindictive. However, I assure you that I’m not going to file a complaint or contact a lawyer. Sadly, your position and ‘response’ shows that is exactly what you are concerned about. Months ago, after I received an email from T2 filled with legalese, I gave my word that I would never hurt you, T1, T2 or the residential place as an entity. You’ve done too much for my family member and my family. There’s no room in my life for being vindictive, holding a grudge or waging revenge on anyone. I only wish that you and your colleagues had interest in my well being too. I’ve always given you and the program the real me. It seems that is not what you all have given me.
9. It’s clear that you don’t understand how this situation has impacted me. The pain and disruption to my life has cost a fortune in therapy and many days and nights. You know, I almost came to discuss the situation with you. Last October, I texted you and asked if you were going to be there the next afternoon. Your response was “I wish if it means meeting up with you. Smiler” But you were away at the time and after that day, I lost my nerve. I was worried about T1. I didn’t want to cause a problem for T1 or “get him in trouble.” I knew it was my feelings and my pattern that resulted in T1's discomfort (or activated his own stuff), even though it is something that happens frequently in therapy. As I understood the concept of transference, I learned that there are ways to address it. I also learned that ignoring it is the worst possible thing a therapist can take, with tremendous consequences possible to the client and sometimes the therapist too. Today, I have a clear understanding of what was happening with me and I want you to understand it.
a. I first started having the feelings of attachment for T1, very soon after family member’s registration to the program. I noticed the feelings and my familiarity with them as well as my fear of losing the relationship with T1 – of him wanting to get me out of his life. I tried to talk to T1 about it. I was embarrassed for what I was thinking and feeling and scared that I was going to destroy our relationship or hurt the therapeutic process for family member and our family. For me, my feelings for T1 and the pattern I was re-doing was proof that I was the person I was trying so hard to convince T1 I wasn’t. You fill in the blanks T5. I was sexually abused by multiple people from the time I was five until I was 15. I used food as a way to protect myself but that didn’t work. I was told early on that boys would only want one thing from me. I can’t tell you the number of times I heard the word slut; but I think the first time was before I was 11. I made the decision in 7th grade that skinny girls were the epitome of slut. At 14, a doctor who was giving me shots containing the urine of pregnant women and had me on a 500 calorie/day diet, told me that I would never be normal because of my weight; it had totally messed up my sexuality. At 18, I finally told a dermatologist to stop groping me during exams and insisting on open mouth kisses at the end of an appointment.
b. T5, up until your email, I was so ashamed. I truly believed that I was the horrible, sexualized little girl that I was trying to prove to T1 that I wasn’t.
10. Whether T1 chooses to or not, T1 shares responsibility for this situation. However, he continues to let me believe that it is all me. He never responded to my concerns. He never considered everything he knew about me or tried to help. He did not set boundaries. He let his personal feelings interfere. In January 2010, he did set a boundary. He told me that he would not do (something personal and identifiable) for me. It made his wife uncomfortable. He said he would do it if family member asked him. He said that after that day he would not discuss our relationship. We could talk only about family member, etc. I accepted what he said, thankful to at least have some relationship with him, the same as any other former program client. However, T1 changed the rules and never spoke to me again or responded to me via email or telephone. He changed from a hug to a handshake when we ran in to each other. Whenever I’ve tried to correct or at least neutralize the situation, he has ignored it and me.

T5, your response to this situation has continued the hurt. I understand you backing up your employee but where does real concern regarding the client or former client come in? You told T4 that family member was the client, not the family. However, I believe the program prides itself on healing the whole family. I believe the work is done with all family members giving them a chance to grow and change as individuals, as parents and as a family unit. Am I wrong? That sounds like a legalese distinction for sure.

To use your words, as a “friend,” and “administrator” I would have hoped that you were genuinely concerned with my welfare too. I really thought you cared.

I had hoped that T1 could be cordial the last time we were in the same room together. I saw it as an opportunity to just move beyond the hearsay and the nonsense. But he did not speak to me. We were in the same group; I sat next to him on the sofa. It was just like a day in 2010 when we we sat across the table from each other and he acted as if he didn’t even know me. On that day, I went to him and said, “Hi, T1 how are you doing?” I was trying to normalize things. Now I know this is how he handles difficult situations, he stops talking to the individual.

I know that T4 and my bishop are very concerned about me sending you this email. They both want me to not to worry about what you and/or T1 think about me. They said it doesn’t matter because no matter what the truth is because your perception is your perception. I can’t do anything to change it. I see that, I know that I have tried everything reasonable to amend this situation. If you were my friend, or even acting as a therapist, you would feel my pain and you would never want anyone else to go through this type of situation.

It would be a lie if I said I wasn’t hoping that you would read this email and then follow the prompting to talk to me. However, I expect you to continue stonewalling me because you are afraid of what I might do legally, or worse.

It’s up to you if you want to continue to believe your fears and take the CYA approach. Like I said before, I have no room for revenge, vindication or resentment in my life. In addition, I would NEVER do anything that would hurt my family, cause her pain or embarrassment or interfere with her relationship with the people at the program. I told T1 a long ago, if fixing our relationship meant giving up the healing and blessings that came from the program experience, I would stick with the relationship I have now. However, now there is new hurt and I need to find a way to heal.

T5, I am praying with all my heart that when I send this email I will have no expectation. I pray I really can handle more of the same behavior from you/program. I pray that I will be able to live with this and that soon it will be a faint memory. I pray for T1 all the time because I know it must have caused some pain for him. I've apologized and asked for forgiveness. I truly believe that I can forgive and forget all that has happened and be content with a hello and simple conversation at another time when we're in the same room again. I am praying that I can be okay from this. One hundred percent of what I wrote is the truth. I hope that makes a difference.
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It sound like you have been through a very painful and confusing situation. I'm sorry for that.

You asked for advice on your letter. If you want the person it is addressed to to really read it, then you would need to make it much, much shorter and only put the things that are the most important to you that they read in it. If you make it one or two paragraphs (really hard, I know!) then the person might really read it. It would be even better if you could talk in person about all of this. I'm sorry about such difficulties, it is hard to understand your situation, but I can see that you are in a lot of pain and confusion. If you want a place to explain more of what happened, you'd have a listening ear here.

Hope we can support you-

and welcome to the forum!

BB
Unfortunately, they won't speak to me. I'm trying not to hope that something I might say in the letter will prompt him to talk to me. T5 even told my current therapist that he won't discuss it any further with her. It's a small community too. I will look at cutting it down but I don't know how. My therapist wants to talk about it. I know she doesn't want me to send it. I've been trying not to let me mind go to the confusion and what ifs. If I intellectualize it, I feel less. I have to find a way to let it go, the disappointment, the pain, the feeling of being abused and abandoned. Late nights are hard. Thanks for you input and support.
The update is that my current T does not think I should send the letter, nor my bishop of my very dear friend who sent me a long email about validation and vindication. The general consensus is that the people who won't hear me and don't respond already have their minds made up about me. Nothing I say will change their perceptions, even if it is fact. I've learned recently that I have always tried to convince people that I am not the person that I really believe I am - a slutty, sexualized, hypochondriac who is not worthy of love. I always feel like I fooled people in to loving me or thinking I'm good. Anyway, my T, etc. do not want me to have this letter start another cycle. I tried to explain to her that this time, it's not trying to prove something subjective but objective. The facts T5 has about me and the situation are incorrect. I feel like I at least have to correct the facts. I also feel like if I sent the email I could once and for all move on. But I've thought that before. I know this is a really complicated situation but I don't want to give in to that part of me that needs external approval and validation. I just don't like being viewed in a certain way. I just discovered I AM NOT the horrible person I thought I was and I really believed it. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot and just continue this cycle of being hurt.
I think it sounds like you are getting a wise perspective from the T you have now, and your friends and your bishop...I would trust them. I know it is agonizingly painful to be so misjudged, and that you want...ne even *need* to find a way to fix it. But the reality is that you cannot control what the recipient of the letter thinks of you. It seems like you have tried everything to make them understand and they have their mind made up and will not change it. I have recently been through something similar, and I think it is wise to walk away and find support to deal with the leftover pain and trauma that this causes. Otherwise you risk further traumatization. It is not worth it, you cannot change the person in question, so go find and receive the supportive people who can help you heal from it.

I'm sorry. I know how hard it is to have a letter like that and no response to it. I had the same kind of thing happen with my T. It is very painful and very rejecting feeling. I'm sorry you have to endure that sense of powerlessness. ouch.

I'm glad that you can realize that you are not a bad person. That is really good!

Wishing you Peace,

BB
NobleDaughter,

I so get the fact that he didn't handle it right and he was the therapist. It really sucks doesn't it? As someone who has sought validation my entire life, I understand where you are coming from and how painful it is now. If you can make the choice to not send the letter for now, maybe just put it aside for a while and try to work on it with current T, that might be for the best. I'm afraid that they will react the way they have been reacting and you will not get what you want and will only wind up getting hurt. Frowner I know it sucks and it's not fair.

Hugs,

Liese
Liese and BB, Thank you for your responses. I am hearing what you and the others are saying. Let me mention one more thing: T5 was never my T. He runs the company. He and I had a relationship outside. We both served on a mental health advocacy committee. So, T5 and I were 'friends'. He did not treat me like a friend when out of the blue he sent me an email to stay away from T1 because I was bordering on stalking and harassment - COMPLETELY FALSE. Can I send him an email that just communicates with him about I feel about him and our relationship? Separate from the transference issue? In other words don't comment on the transference issue but only what relates to the relationship with him. Do you know what I mean.
It sounds like a very difficult situation for you and that you have been treated badly. However, I think you have to ask why you would write T5 - what are you hoping to gain from the contact? May I suggest writing to him and posting it here or showing it to your current T or something to get it away from you but not send it to T5, where any contact could easily be misunderstood, misinterpreted and used against you and leave you feeling even worse because your expectations and T5's response could be miles apart.
I am hearing everyone loud and clear. I have written a much shorter email. I'm wondering if I can send it. Tonight this is tearing me up all over.

Dear T5,

I’m not even sure how to start this email. I’m not going to discuss T1 and I know that I have to find some way to get closure without being heard. Still, there are some things I want to say to you, given your most recent email to me. I am going to be brief. As much as I would like to fill this email with details, facts and feelings, I know there is nothing I can say that will change the position that you have taken.

1. First, I was shocked by your email. Your words and tone disregarded everything you know personally about me and your accusations have no basis in fact. You use the terms “friend and administrator” in your email. However, you did not speak to me as if I was your friend, a former client, the family member of a current client, or as if you were a therapist. You jumped to conclusions, chastised me and then threatened me as if I had committed a crime.
2. Contrary to your understanding, I was NEVER told not to contact T1.

3. The chronology of events that you discussed with T4 is incorrect. I have all of my emails with dates.

4. I have not engaged in any behavior that even resembles stalking or harassment. I’ve emailed T1 sporadically; often with months in between.

5. I am the only person in this mess to take any responsibility or blame. I’ve taken too much.

6. I actually thought that you as a professional would want to understand this situation so that it doesn’t happen again.
7. The idea that you are acting in my best interest to help me let go or move on is nonsense. T5, you don’t have enough information to make that judgment. There are three therapists that all have tried to help me gain understanding and closure. That must mean something.
8. Sadly, your position and ‘response’ indicates that you are concerned about what I might do in the future. You should know that I will not file a complaint or contact a lawyer. You’ve done too much for my family. There’s no room in my life for being vindictive, holding a grudge or waging revenge on anyone. I would NEVER do anything that would hurt my family, cause her pain or embarrassment or interfere with her relationship with the people at the program.
9. It’s clear that you don’t understand how this situation has impacted me. I think if you really knew the details or if you were really my friend, or even acting as a therapist, you would feel my pain and you would never want anyone else to go through this.
10. I have a clear understanding of what happened within me that created this situation and where it is rooted.
11. Whether T1 chooses to or not, he shares responsibility. I’ve apologized and asked for forgiveness many times.
12. T5, your response has become a deeper, more personal hurt because of our relationship and the work we have done together. I am praying with all my heart that when I send this email that I will not be starting another cycle of hope. The hope that maybe this time I will say something that will touch the heart and will prompt a discussion and some closure for me. I don’t expect to hear from you. I expect you to continue thinking and believing according to the information you have and your perceptions.
I am late to this thread, but I just wanted to offer my two cents.

I would not send the letter. I know you've written it because you feel you have some things that need to be said in order for you to move on, but I do not feel you are going to be heard by the recipient of the letter. Sometimes, you don't have to send a letter to get closure...writing it can be enough, especially if sending the letter opens up another can of worms, which I believe this letter might.

From what I understand, there are possibly some legal issues going on regarding the content of the letter? Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of that, but if not, I would not continue to have any further communication with this T. You are being accused by this T as being a stalker and demonstrating harassing behavior, and I believe that sending this letter will only serve to further solidify this opinion, however incorrect it may be, in this Ts mind. I do not think you have as much to gain by sending this letter as you have to lose.

I apologize if I have upset you in my feedback. I want to be clear that I do not think you are stalking or that your T is correct is any of his/her accusations. I'm simply stating that regardless of whether T's accusations have any basis or not, this letter is most likely not going to be received in the light that you would like for it to be, and could possibly just dig you into a deeper hole with this person.

Lastly i just want to say how sorry I am that you have had to go through so mamy Ts and that your trust with what appears to be several of them has been violated. I know that must feel so hurtful and betraying. I really do hope you are able to move on from this and not allow it to severely impact your relationships with others, but I know that these types of betrayals tend to spill over into our other relationship, unfortunately. So I do understand you need for closure on this. I just don't think its going to come in the form you are looking for.
Hi Lady Grey,
I want to thank you for your response. I understand what you were saying. I did not think you were accusing me at all. I appreciate your understanding. Right now I am in my rational mind about this. I think my emotional mind is spent. I had already decided to send a much shorter letter but not to T1- the one who mishandled it. I sent it to T5 who runs the program where T1 works. In addition, T5 and I had a personal relationship as advocates for families who have kids with mental health issues. Anyway, most of my comments are directed at T5 who has a lot of misinformation and did not think to consider me. As far as legal, I think they're afraid I am going to sue them or file a complaint, which I'm not. My "family member" is currently seeing T1 for therapy while her regular T is on maternity leave. That's a long story... I was totally surprised by his comments and threats about the stalking and harassment. Nonetheless, everything I said is the truth.

I sent a copy of the letter to my current T, and T4 who I will likely go back to when I am done some special work with current T. I told them:

"Tonight I sent an email to T5 in response to his email to me a few weeks ago. I expect to hear nothing in response and to not hear from T5, T1 or anyone from program again. That is my only expectation. I actually think that I would prefer to not get a response because there is nothing that can be done to save these relationships. They are over; the pain is too deep. The best I can hope for is congeniality when our paths cross (which they will). I will have to find some way to close the wounds on my own. Thanks for believing that I deserved closure and for trying to help me."

Here's what I said to T5 in my FINAL email:

"Dear t5,

There are some things I want to say to you, given your last email to me and what I know of your conversation with my therapist, t4. I’m not going to discuss T1 and as much as I would like to fill this email with my feelings and lots of details, I am going to be brief.

• I was shocked and deeply saddened by your recent email to me. Your words and tone show that you have disregarded everything you know personally about me.
• You used the terms friend and administrator in your email. However, you did not speak to me as if I was your friend, a former client, the mother of a current client, or as if you were a therapist.
• Contrary to your understanding, I was NEVER told not to contact t1 and I have not engaged in any behavior that even resembles stalking or harassment.
• Your accusations have no basis in fact. The chronology of events you discussed with my therapist is incorrect. You jumped to a conclusion, chastised me and then threatened me as if I had committed a crime.
• The idea that it is my best interests that are driving your unwillingness to discuss this with me is nonsense. You don’t have enough information to make that judgment. I have counseled and discussed this with four therapists, all who sought to help me find closure with T1 and now the program. I think that means something.
• As a counseling professional, I had the idea that you would want to have all the facts to gain an understanding of this situation so that it doesn’t happen again.
• It makes me sad to think that you have concerns about what I might do. The reality is, there’s no room in my life for being vindictive, holding a grudge or waging revenge on anyone. I would NEVER do anything that would hurt my family member, cause her pain or embarrassment or interfere with her relationships with the people at the program. This situation does nothing to change my sincere appreciation for the healing and blessings that t1 and program helped bring to our entire family.
• Still, this situation has haunted me for a long time regardless of my responsible efforts to understand and find closure. If you really were my friend, or as a therapist, you would not want anyone to go through what I have been through.
• I am the only person in this mess who has taken any responsibility for what has transpired.
• t1 shares responsibility for this whether he chooses to or not. I’ve apologized and asked for forgiveness many times.
• I have a clear understanding of what happened within me that created this situation and where it is rooted.

t5, your email and position have compounded my hurt and added to my confusion. I never would have thought you would be lent to such reckless communication towards anyone.

I’ve taken a lot of time considering whether or not to send this email. I don’t want to wonder if you’ve taken the time to read. I don’t want to wish that I will finally say something that will bring about a discussion allowing me to finally be heard. Regardless of my concerns, I decided it was best for me to share this information and tell you how it all feels to me.

Even though it can be very difficult, I continue to choose to forgive. I wish you well in your new role as executive director and I truly pray that God’s blessings will be on you, your family and the clients that need the program."

Anyway, it's over I hope. I hope I don't crash again. I am so afraid I will. I also hope I can get through my family member seeing T1 without worrying about that.

I feel a lot less about this now and that's good. The charge is very low, thankfully.

Thanks to everyone who offered comments.

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