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Something has really struck me recently in reading so many of the threads on the forum which is how often everyone beats themself up for their feelings, especially as it pertains to needing their T, contacting their T, etc. First, I want to be clear that I understand all those feelings and I have struggled with them. I especially understand all the shame and anguish surrounding our needs and the guilt if we actually do things to get them met, such as calling or texting our Ts, or asking for extra sessions.

I want to suggest something that my T often said to me, which was instead of hating yourself for having your feelings, why not look at them instead to see what they're saying about you.

Feelings just are. We don't control them. We spend a lot of time trying to to, but we really don't. What we control is what we do with and about our feelings. Feelings are important information. Having them is essential to a human being living a full life BECAUSE they're good information. Feelings inform us of how we're doing, and how we're reacting. They can be a guide to our behavior, but they won't be the only guide. We have our reason and our values. But paying attention to our feelings is vital to us living in a way that is authentic and true to who we are.

Dan Seigal writes about a mindfulness method called COAL. Curiosity, openness, acceptance and love. Have you ever thought about how you react to other people's feelings on the forum? If they say they want to contact their T are you thinking "you pathetic whiney thing, how can you be so horribly needy? What the hell's wrong with you?" I would bet large sums of money that no one thinks that of anyone else. But we say it regulary to ourselves. So the idea of COAL is that we approach our feelings the same way, putting judgementalness aside and using them as a source of information about ourselves.

My T made a very big deal about me needing to contact him in between sessions. Seriously, he made it very clear on a number of occasions that not only was it ok for me to contact him, it was actually of theraputic value. It taught me to reach out to others and see good things happen. It taught me how to get my needs met, and to take responsibility for my own needs, it even taught me about boundaries since I had to trust what my T said about it being ok and that he could protect himself.

I learned so much about myself by seeing how I reacted to my needs and what it felt like to try and get them met, how much I hated them, how much I hated myself for having them. Tracing those beliefs back to their sources, when and where I learned them, was how I achieved a lot of healing.

Again, I want to stress that I am not in any way criticizing anyone. As I said, been there, done that, can still do that. But I wanted to suggest a way of approaching it that I thought a lot of people might find helpful.

AG
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AG - Thank you, sincerely, for the perspective. I initially felt a little defensive. I'm so sorry and PLEASE don't feel bad, because it's my issue and nothing to do with with what you said or how you said it. My thought was, "I'm the one who brought that in here!!! I've ruined this forum. I need delete my account and leave." I recently identified with T that wrong = bad in my mind. Moreover, anyone else thinking I am wrong is automatically correct! But, I will forgo judgment on myself here as you insist. Big Grin Sorry for being so ridiculous!

In my case, I have known for years exactly where my anti-need feelings come from: it was not safe to need as a kid, because at best my family was unreliable and at worst, needs were used to manipulate, hurt and threaten. However, I get myself so worked up about how unsafe I feel that the the distortion (that needing anyone for anything makes me disgusting) feels true at the time and not just a defense mechanism.

My T has also said he is actually blessed and never burdened by my communication. What I have been trying to express, I guess, is that it's a burden to ME to feel this way toward him. Fighting myself over these feelings is easier than connecting myself with the actual pain of having one parent who abandoned me and another whose own internal chaos made her neglectful and emotionally (sometimes physically) abusive. And I'm still not even sure I'm not completely blowing that "history" out of proportion! I don't really want to care about it, to let it mean anything, although my transference with T (and several other people over the years) makes it obvious that it does. I'm not ready to admit I deserved better and be angry that I can never, ever have what I lost there.

It's almost as if it meaning something makes me feel I have to be willing to receive from my parents in the here and now and I really want nothing than to "be better" than what I experienced as a child. Basically, I need to grow up! Still framing negatively here. It's a real challenge. Abuse is so much more familiar than kindness. It hurts to have others (especially T, who feels so paternal) be kind to me. And being mean to myself makes me feel safer, as if I have paid for that kindness, or if I reject myself, then when T inevitably does, it won't hurt so much. I get what's going on underneath, but I can't seem to change yet. Frowner

As far as the texting goes, my concern is that since I can't get around how I feel about it yet, it's actually causing some cycles of acting out that makes me more unsafe and I can't afford that as a wife, mom, sister, etc. Yes, the ultimate solution is just to learn to trust that it's OK to text T for no reason at all as many times as I feel I have to to know he is there. But, since I can't get myself to believe it yet, I just want to learn to stabilize the behavior cycles for now. I would love if you have any suggestions on how to get myself around the self-loathing that makes no sense. Identifying the source does not seem to be enough for me.

-Yakusoku
Yakusoku,
Thanks for being so open and I know you're seeing it as your issue, but I do want to reassure you that the post really was NOT directed at you nor do I think you have infected or ruined the forum. Many of us struggle with these issues. That's one of the reason I created a separate thread because I really felt like this was, pardon the pun, across the boards advice. Big Grin

Working through these feelings for me involved going back time and again and talking about how I felt with my T. He kept normalizing my needs and assuring me that he understood why I felt this deep need to contact him and there was nothing wrong with me for feeling the way I did. We spent a lot of session time talking about needs and how I felt about them. So I just had to accumulate the experience of someone understanding my needs and meeting the ones they could, and being it was ok that I had them to offset my childhood experiences. It takes a lot of time and is difficult work. I'm sorry there's not an easier answer.

BG, you're welcome (and I always sound wise when quoting my T. Big Grin)

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I also trust my T enough now that... well I asked her if she'd TELL ME if I was contacting her too much and she said she would...so... now I feel like I can free for all it and if she's got a problem, she'll say something otherwise I can just relax and do what I need.


DF,
That's what a healthy boundary looks like. Big Grin And let me know what you find, I really came across this as a small part of a larger work.

Sadly,
That is so incredibly awesome that you got to learn from Dan Seigel. I've read a few of his books (slowly! Big Grin) and have an enormous amount of respect for him. I am deeply envious. Big Grin

AG
AG - Thanks for the reassurance. I am so impatient with myself. I guess I think if I can figure this stuff out more quickly, I can avoid getting anymore attached to T than necessary. Kind of avoiding the inevitable there! T is always reminding me to slow down my processing and trying to reframe my thinking, but I'm so dang stubborn. Wink

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