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Hi all,

It's been quite a long time since I've said much at any length here, so I'm here to give a bit of an update on what's going on here. There are a lot of lovely new people on here that I've never met before, so I may give a little background for some things.

Gosh, where do I start. I think the last times I was posting I was in the midst of a pretty bitter struggle after recovering some horrible memories and realizing that my father did some very bad things when I was little (CSA). I'm in a better place now, but it's not a place of acceptance, per se. I know I haven't really accepted it, because I don't trust myself or my memories. My T will use the 'words' about what happened, but I can't and still won't use any word for it except for the most benign ones (like.."that thing" or "what happened"). I had been making some fairly steady progress up until I learned all of this "stuff," and since then I feel almost aimless, like where do I start? I'm seeing more and more that even just small things I do and think and believe all stem from what he did and things that I used to do to keep from getting hurt. And those things feel so fundamental that it literally feels impossible to break those habits because the come from the most basic instincts.

I'm sure most of you can relate to how excited our Ts get when we recognize, feel, and/or express anger in therapy. I don't think my T is going to see much anger from me for a long time, because I learned a while ago that anger was often a precursor to things happening at home, especially if I was the cause or subject of it. I had one bout of spontaneous anger directed toward my father that completely overwhelmed me, but then right afterwards I felt completely triggered and ended up dissociating. I even started dissociating when I was recounting the experience to my T later. It's so unapproachable. I'm just scared that my T is going to be so fed up with me, because (at the moment) it seems like I will never be able to be angry at him because the consequences used to be so huge. And no matter how clearly I cognitively know that I'm not in the past, parts of me still are, and so it's still unfathomable.

Anyway, long story short, it's been slow-going. But my T has been wonderful and caring throughout this whole thing. She's endlessly patient with me and amazingly supportive. A while ago I asked something about why she cares or something like that, and she said that yes, she gets paid, but it's much more than a job for her. I knew that already, but it meant a lot to hear it. I've worried about that kind of thing for a long time, but I've never had the confidence to mention anything or ask anything about it. She has even welled up a few times which is unsettling but also extremely meaningful at the same time. It's mostly unsettling, because I feel horrible that I've done something to make her feel bad. But it's also a deeper way for me to know that she really cares, which is wonderful but scary.

A couple weeks ago, I was dissociating so severely that I literally could not safely drive for at least 3 days, and I don't remember a whole lot of the week. I'm excited about graduating, but the downside is that my father (and my mother) will be here, and so there's some dread and fear due to that. My T suspected that it was the upcoming event of having to be around my father that triggered the dissociation. I'm too afraid to take the step of breaking off contact, because I'm less concerned with how it is for me maintaining contact with him and more concerned about what the consequences will be for my mother. Although he can't do anything physically (he is 1000 miles away), he can be very, very brutal verbally and emotionally. Anyway, I wish that my graduation weren't tainted by this, but at this point it feels like the best choice, although my T completely disagrees.

On the positive side (as far as therapy goes), I have made a lot of progress when it comes to actually feeling emotions. I first went into therapy more than 3 years ago not even able to name any emotion I was feeling, if I was feeling anything at all. I'm still fairly emotionless throughout the day, but if I do feel something, I can almost always name the emotion and be able to trace where it's coming from (most of the time). I have more self-awareness..I know that I still have a lot of irrational thoughts (a whole bunch of them), and while I really haven't changed any of that yet, I am at least able to recognize it. I can now better recognize how I relate to others. Again, that's something that hasn't changed a whole lot - but at least I have more awareness.

I've been making a lot of major decisions lately, because I'm graduating from college (with a degree in Psychology) in May. I know I want to eventually get a higher degree, possibly a Ph.D (in clinical psych), but I also know that I just mentally and emotionally cannot handle that right now. I am also still partially dependent on my father, and so I really want to get a job so that I can support myself. I am still in contact with him, mainly as a formality to keep him "happy" so that I can still get some monthly support. My mother works for him (long distance), but has daily contact with him, so if I do anything to make him unhappy or angry, she bears the brunt of it. My T is unhappy (or at least disapproves) that I still maintain contact with him, no matter how uncomfortable it is for me, in order to protect my mother - although she also understands why.

There's not a whole lot that I can do with just a psych degree and no experience, so I'm not quite sure what I'm going to do right now. I'm staying in my college town, because I honestly love it and have created a new life here - and if I have to move back home it will feel like I'm just moving back into an old situation that I don't want to be in at all. I have my own apartment which is like a sanctuary to me - I was always so uncomfortable with roommates because it felt too uncontrollable. Making the decision of not immediately going to grad school has also been a big relief, because it also means I don't have to leave my T. I feel pathetic for it, but I feel as if that was a major factor in my decision of postponing graduate school. I won't even admit that to T, although she might know. But thinking of leaving T was causing me a ton of anxiety. What's odd about it to me is that I don't feel completely attached to her, really...but maybe I am. I must be if I was so afraid of leaving.

Well, sorry this is so long, I've certainly managed to ramble quite a lot. I feel like I should have better things to say or something, but for the most part I don't. But I'm ending a chapter of my life which is bittersweet, and I'm thankful to have my T through this, because I do feel that I've grown so much more than I ever would without this work on myself. And thank you to you all who have been here for me for so long. I'm sorry I haven't been able to offer more support lately, and I honestly don't know if I'm "back." But I'll try to visit a bit more often.

Thanks for reading (if you've made it this far! Smiler)
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Lovely to hear your news Kashley and I am glad to be the first one to post!

You sound like you are in a good place right now, despite some yuck things still in the background. Your T sounds awesome and I am glad you have her. You have done so incredibly well with your studies and you have so many exciting things ahead of you.

Reading your post made me reflect on where I was 1.5 yrs ago and starting therapy and not knowing any feelings but yes now I am able to (eventually) work out what it is and what has triggered it. instead of feeling blerrrr and in a black hole I can manage to put words to it. That is a big achievement for people like us.

I used to dissociate all the time when I started with this T 8 months ago and now I realise it is really rare now. I hadn't thought until I read your post. I zip off briefly a lot, but not bad like the old days.

So good to hear from you again.
Kashley,
It's really good to hear from you! I have been wondering how you were doing.

Congratulations on your graduation!! It's really an achievement and even more impressive knowing that you have been doing such difficult work in therapy at the same time. I do not think I could have handled that.

I do want you to know that I think you have made a tremendous amount of progress at a very rapid pace considering what you are dealing with. Your T is able to be patient with you because you're working really hard (so there's nothing to be patient about Smiler) and she knows how difficult it is to work through these kinds of injuries.

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I feel pathetic for it, but I feel as if that was a major factor in my decision of postponing graduate school.


Kashley, please don't feel pathetic about it, of if you must, please hang on to the fact that it's not true. I think recognizing that the work you need to do in therapy is going to take a lion's share of your resources so that you will wait to attend grad school is actually good self care. And staying with a therapist with whom you have formed a good relationship and who has been helping you to heal seems like a very good life choice to me. In my opinion, you seem to be setting your priorities in the right place. And if you change your mind, you can always .... change your mind and apply for grad school.

As far as your parents, it's understandable that you are having difficulty cutting ties. These are significant relationships and you are the only one who can decide what is right for you. I think your T's concern may be that in this situation you are acting to protect your mother from an abusive husband, when in reality it was (and is) HER responsibility to protect her daughter from an abusive father. You have been putting off your own needs in favor of your mother's for so long, I think it's hard to see the possibility of anything different. May I ask you a gentle question? (which you don't need to answer, I just offer it as food for thought.) Why it is that you are able to bear abuse and pain but you do not believe your mother is capable of that? Why is that she needs protection and you don't? I think your T is just concerned that you have been hurt enough and doesn't want to see you hurt any further.

All that said, I hope the graduation goes well and that you can handled yourself in a way which honors your needs around your dad. And good luck finding a job!

AG
Hug two I have missed you, but understand with so much going on and also the inevitable triggers, it's hard to be around, but it's so good to have you update here whenever you get a chance!!!

I'm so proud of you on your graduation. That is an amazing accomplishment, especially while doing such hard work. I know that I probably would not have been able to do both at the same time. Either one of those things feels like a full-time endeavor, not even counting work or friends or outside activities.

I know your T is protective of you. My T gets the same way. It's hard not to when you see someone doing that job for everybody else and nobody every did it for them when/how they were supposed to (like AG points out above). On the one hand, I agree that I'd like to see you have to be hurt as little as possible and it's not your job to protect anybody else from their own decisions. On the other hand, I can't seem to stop doing the same exact thing, to the point of viciously invalidating or justifying any bad stuff that comes up about my parents, so that I can not have to take action that would hurt them in order to protect myself. I know you understand it, and at the same time would probably be sad about the wounded parts in me continuing to be hurt and unprotected like that. It's such a huge conflict. I think you will face it, in time, with the support of your T, and understanding you taking it as slowly as feels safe. Please be gentle with yourself.

I'm glad you get to stay with your T. I know that was pressing on you when considering the future. Just so you know, always, always here and thinking about you and sending prayers!

Thank you for the lovely and understanding replies. Smiler

SD, yes I am so lucky to have my T - she's been so incredibly patient with me and it's helping me learn that maybe (maybe!) people might actually accept me for who I am instead of what I do or don't do or how well I do something, etc. I feel like every action I do is something that defines me as a person, but my T is showing me that may not be the case.

And I also used to dissociate a ton until about a year ago - it's quite rare now (at least it was until the last few weeks). The only thing with that is that some parts of me can't really come to the foreground unless I'm in the background (i.e. dissociated). So T and I have been trying to work out a way to have a connection to those parts without me having to completely leave.

I'm glad you're also able to recognize feelings now..I really didn't think I'd ever be able to learn when I first started therapy. I felt void of feelings, so it seemed like I was trying to summon something that didn't even exist! But they do exist for sure. For me, the hardest thing about getting some of these feelings back is that it's been all of the horribly strong, negative ones that I've experienced first. If they were nice feelings, I would probably have full range of emotion, but feeling such bad feelings is a hard thing to *want* to do.

BG, it's great to hear from you. And thank you for the congratulations. Smiler This time a year ago I was having a really hard time and T even questioned if I should take time off from school. So it feels good to have gotten this far (and I've also managed to graduate Summa Cum Laude, which still doesn't seem real and I'm shocked I've managed to do it). Thanks for the well wishes. Smiler

AG, thanks for your always insightful words. I think you are right about why my T is patient with me. She has said several times that I've made so much progress that she's just been shocked, but I don't really believe her. Big Grin I always think that I do things too slowly, that I'm too slow to catch on. It's something that's actually kind of plagued me in my school work, because when I get a test or paper back, I'll look at my mistakes and berate myself endlessly for getting anything wrong, thinking that I should have never gotten anything wrong. I'm trying to ease up on myself about that, but it's very slow going.

It honestly had never, ever occurred to me to think of my reasoning behind not immediately going to grad school as self care, but it's interesting to look at it from that perspective. And somewhat liberating - which is very surprising to me. So thank you for that.

I think you've been passing notes with my T. Smiler She's said the same thing in varying word combinations for months, if not years. And especially more recently. The simplest answer is that I don't feel as if I deserve protection, because the way I would protect myself in this scenario (in the way that I should, but won't) makes me "visible," which feels too dangerous (even though I can cognitively tell myself that I'm safe). Not breaking off contact with him for my mother's sake is for her, but I also feel as if it's my own form of protection - or at least the only way that I've used for so long.

If I break off contact with my father, I also suspect that things would be rocky with my mother for a long time. She doesn't know about the CSA - she just think I don't like him because he wasn't really a father figure for me. So she's told me that once I'm independent, I can break off contact or do whatever and that I don't need to worry about her. But any time I do something (like choose not to call him even when my mother has told him that I will - which happened recently) and he comes down on her, she becomes angry with me for not just sucking it up and calling him and pleasing him. Which also brings up why I don't want to tell my mother everything, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded answer. It's probably so long because I've gotten good at talking myself in circles to avoid acknowledging what I should really do! Oh well - I suppose I will get there eventually. Thanks again, AG. Smiler

Yaku, I've missed you too! I hadn't thought of my T as protective of me, but it's a nice thing to realize and it makes sense. Thank you for your understanding about it. T says she understands my reasoning as well (even though she doesn't agree with it), but I manage to just convince myself that she's supposed to tell me that. Smiler But I do the same kind of invalidation, and it does make me sad that you have to experience that vicious back and forth, because - at least to me - it's one of the most bitter struggles I've ever faced. The consequences at either end are tremendous. It's great to hear from you, Yaku.



Thanks again to you all. It means a lot to be able to come here and share what's going on, since I don't share this with anyone else in my day-to-day life. I'm having a bit of a hard time at the moment, because I'm having to make a decision about my horse. He has been leased out to someone, but the contract ends on June 1st, and I still can't afford to keep him. There's a strong possibility that I will have to sell him, which feels like I'd be losing a gigantic piece of myself and that I could never recover. I've been around horses since I could walk, and so living without them would be unbearable - they helped me through so much. Hopefully something will work out, but I'm trying to stay afloat until that happens.

Sorry to write so much again. I must be making up for lost time or something. Smiler
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Kashley, please don't feel pathetic about it, of if you must, please hang on to the fact that it's not true. I think recognizing that the work you need to do in therapy is going to take a lion's share of your resources so that you will wait to attend grad school is actually good self care. And staying with a therapist with whom you have formed a good relationship and who has been helping you to heal seems like a very good life choice to me. In my opinion, you seem to be setting your priorities in the right place.




I'm really happy to see you Kashley...I'm also one who is rarely around these days, but I have thought of you, and wondered how you were coping. You may not realize it, but you sound so much more sure of yourself than you did a year ago...kudos to you for the hard, hard work you've been doing. I have nothing but admiration for the decision you've made, and I firmly believe that you will continue to go in the direction for your dreams and heal more and more from your traumatic past. Thinking of you fondly, and cheering you on!

Biggest hugs,

Beebs
Beebs! I feel like I approach situations a bit differently than I used to (although there are many aspects that are still the same). It helps knowing more about myself instead of just constantly saying, "I don't know!" And thanks for the congratulations on graduating. Smiler

(((Echo))) Great to hear from you, too. I remember that you had to sell your horses - I don't know how you managed it. Frowner Frowner It feels more painful than anything else. Thanks for the love and support.
Hi Kashley and thanks for updating us on how hard you have been working lately. First, congratulations on your graduation (with honors!). You should be very proud of yourself for this accomplishment while having so much energy and focus taken up by doing such hard therapy work.

You have faced a lot of really deep and traumatic issues with bravery. I'm glad you have a supportive safe and protective T to be there for you through the pain. I think making those decisions to stay in your college town and in delaying grad school are decisions made for the best right now and you are using self-care in the best way. You are so young you can always go back to school. Look at me LOL. Of course, I would not recommend you waiting THIS long...but at your age a few years will be okay. Working in the investment banking environment some years ago, we had a lot of BA/BS grads come into the business and work as analysts/interns for a few years before they would decide to go on to grad school for MBAs. Some decided to totally change direction after working a few years and others just did not go on to grad school and did something else. I think it can be very productive to take a break to catch your breath.

I hope you find a solution that enables you to keep your horse. I know he means a lot to you.

Congratulations, good luck and I hope you continue to heal from the work you are doing with your T.

Hugs
TN
Hey TN, we cross-posted.

Thanks for the congratulations and encouragement about my decision. It's one that I keep questioning, because it feels like I'm giving up on myself because I'd planned on going to grad school for a couple years now. But I got to this last year of school and therapy and started thinking that I don't have the stamina to keep doing both for years to come.

I'm lucky to have such a great T and to be able to feel secure that she will continue to be so supportive and helpful.

((TN))
Kashley, I also want to join the others in congratulating you on your graduation. It is really hard to do when you are doing hard therapy work at the same time! I am very proud of you and hope I can follow in your footsteps. I will be graduating with my Associate degree in a few weeks but feel it is an accomplishment for me just to get even that far. I plan to keep going in the fall and work toward the Bachelor degree, but like you I find it hard at this point to contemplate tackling a graduate degree immediately after that. Taking a breather might not be such a bad idea, and who knows that maybe you could end up with a job from an employer who would pay part or all of your tuition to go to graduate school later on?

I don't have much advice about freeing yourself from your parents except to keep taking whatever baby steps you can toward independence. Keep up hope that you will get there. Hugs to you for all you've been through and have suffered, and for how you are fighting your way through it!
((((Cipher)))) Congratulations on your graduation as well! We need to have a celebration or something. Big Grin I would be thrilled if I ended up in a job that would pay for even a tiny bit of my tuition. I don't know exactly what I'm going to do yet, but I'm trying to have faith that it will all work out (all of this has thrown me into a bit of a religious "crisis" - but that's, yet again, another story). Even making the decision about taking at least a year off was such a huge weight off my shoulders. It felt so good to make that choice, even though I still tend to question it.

Thank you for your wonderful support, Cipher. Getting anything done while going through such intense stuff in therapy is nearly impossible (the cleanliness of my apartment has suffered dearly!), so it's really an absolutely incredible accomplishment for you to have gotten a degree during all of this.

Hey Lampers - really good to see you. Thanks for the congratulations. Big Grin It's coming down to the last two weeks, and I'm super stressed because I really want to make sure that I stay as Summa Cum Laude, because my Bio Psych class is a bit of a challenge! At the very least, I will get to walk at graduation as Summa - but I'll just feel like a liar if my diploma doesn't say it as well. Or maybe that's just the perfectionist, OCD in me talking. Roll Eyes Smiler

Thanks for posting, LL - it's so great to hear from you. I hope you've been doing well. I haven't been around much lately, so I'm sorry if I've missed any updates you've posted! I hope everything is going okay for you. Big hugs! (((LL)))

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