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So, sorry if I am overloading anyone. Feel free to ignore. I had another session Wednesday night. T was able, last minute, to get me in half-an-hour earlier than expected, which was good, because I have to commute 45-60 minutes to his other office each direction and it made it so my session time was actually longer than my travel time. We had a two hour session, 8:35-10:35.

When T came out to get me in the lobby, he did this snapping, clapping gesture that my dad used to do, so immediately kind of triggered. Not overwhelmingly, but one of the many ways T will do things that make me tense up a bit. I didn't tell him right away, just rolled with it and went inside.

The lights were on and he asked kind of what we needed to do to the room to get it ready (he has a routine in the other room, but I'm not at this office very often). I told him the lights could wait, because I had his gift. He knew about it ahead of time. It was sort of a birthday gift (stupid Skype told me his birthday was last week), but also just a reverse transitional object, like the sock monkey at his other office. I made him a sock horse. He thought it was a moose at first... Confused It's body proportions kind of looked that way, I get it, but it has a mane and tail. I was slightly irritated, but not really offended. He joked about naming it Morse or Hoose and later settled on Bullwinkle, which also brought up some memories of going to that restaurant as a kid.

Anyway, T said he absolutely loved it and everything I make has such character to it. I instantly got anxious (as I do whenever he praises or compliments, or pretty much anyone does) and started talking about how I am a perfectionist and am seeing the imperfections. He posed a question, that I can't quite remember, because it made me dissociate very badly. He said something about the horse being perfect just as it was and asked if I thought anything could be perfect. I, of course, replied that nothing and no one is perfect. Then, he corrected me...

Duh, duh, duh. So, he had some really beautiful things to say here...I think...but I couldn't hear them, because it felt like he had asked a question, knowing I would give the "wrong" answer and was waiting to correct me, to pounce on me. All the same of repeated instances of that from my dad (and probably his mom too) came rushing into me and I kind of went away and was processing that on my own inside my head as he talked.

I heard some of what he said. He was talking about that he and I and even the most disfigured, disabled person in the world, were perfect, as we reflected the perfect intentions of a loving and accepting God in His creation. He was viewing all of this separate, obviously, from all the "sin nature" stuff that theologians will get into, but also saying that's covered anyhow. It was so frustrating to be trapped inside myself while he was talking. He sounded very far away, but he had so much love and passion in his voice talking about this very deep concept that I can't really remember well enough, but sounded kind of true at the time...had I not been so resistant to being corrected and in agony over that replay.

So, of course, when he wrapped up, he noticed that I had completely left and something had happened. I had already processed it on my own inside and didn't want to talk about it, because I didn't think it was important for him to know. It was my stuff, my triggering, not really something he had done wrong. He begged me to stop invalidating my own feelings and really pushed me to share, saying that's what we were there for and asking if we should just shut down and shut out and close off from one another. It's been a while since he pushed me so hard and in typical fashion, a few minutes after he had pushed, I felt the nudge and was able to share what was going on inside.

We talked about where those feelings came from. He said it makes him so sad when I invalidate, insult or criticize the things I do or make. That he seems them as wonderful. I told him that it's not that I didn't think the horse was pretty cool, but that the praise made me uncomfortable. He asked if it was someone being nice to me, but I said it was just being noticed, recognized, singled out at all...it felt uncomfortable and unsafe. We marked that as a thread to follow. It is one that has come up a couple of times.

All this time, we were sitting on separate couches and hadn't moved to the floor at all (because I didn't feel the need and I was SO tired, once I did have other parts asking to, I didn't want to). But, what was nice was that I was able to share feeling stuff...even just a little bit, at a distance, and still feel like my T was the safe, caring guy he was. It didn't last long, that not needing him right by me, but it was nice, feeling connected from five feet away. That may be a first, being in a room with him and not feeling like I had to either run away or be right next to him to be safe.

I had a bout of denial here, very strong, that this was all some fantasy and my parts and all the stuff they hold was made up. So we talked through what that would mean and why T doesn't believe that's the case (how many different things I would have to be faking both to him and to myself, and I would know if I was outright lying), but even how his help would be useful if that was the case.

Somehow this led him to make a statement about my experience of being "profoundly neglected." Ugh. So, I argued here about how I felt like I've misrepresented things. You know, I had food and clothes and medical care and a home. Sometimes I got kicked out yeah. My well-checks and immunizations were forgotten, sure. But, I'm sure that's true of lots of people. If I was badly hurt, I was taken to the doctor, and I rarely got badly hurt. When I think of profoundly neglected, I think of a completely unsupervised kid without food or physical care. Maybe I got left with the wrong people at times and that got me hurt, but it's not like that was intentional. T brought up the being forgotten at school. But, mom worked nights as a pianist and sometimes slept through her alarm. Understandable for a single mom, even one who had support from her ex. T brought up the lack of birthday recognition. I told him I wasn't even sure how true it was, because I don't really remember. I remember like two birthdays. One I only remember the photos I have seen, so I guess I don't really remember it. The other was my botched 16th birthday, where I got in trouble for "letting" mom forget it. I know there must have been others, because my siblings had other parties. Plus, I rationalize that with a birthday in the weeks before Christmas, when my mom is in her busiest time of the year, it is understandable that it might get overlooked. T asked about such a young child being asked to care for other children. He mentioned that his own mother bathed him and his siblings every night for years, to give an example. I know I had baths. They were alone. Isn't that normal? I helped bathe my younger siblings, but what child a decade older than their next sibling wouldn't be asked to help out? T seemed sad and frustrated by my rationalization/self-invalidation, but I eventually just wrapped it up by saying it isn't something I can see as profound neglect...just something that sucked, but was normal for me. Objectively, sure, lack of parental attunement, absence of attachment of any sort to my mother, absence of affection and attention...it's neglect of a sort. Who I am now did not happen in a vacuum, but I can't shake this feeling that it is unjustifiable from my experiences (sorry if that triggers anyone else to feel invalidated!) and so I must be making the whole thing up or exaggerating in such a way that T perceives things as worse than they actually are, no matter how objective I try to be. I cannot let it be profound. It feels like I am being unfair to a woman I have always seen as having good intentions (or at least wanting to), but being incapable of executing the job of "mother."

Finally, since it was really wanted and I pretty much get my way everywhere except in therapy, I moved to the floor. I told T he didn't have to, but he scooted the table and sat right next to me (we dimmed the lights further for the little one too), just one foot away. He did it automatically. We were silent a lot and talked a bit, and I don't remember a bit what we talked about. I know we were both exhausted. He is coming down with something and I am getting over something and both of us have had long weeks. We mostly just sat together and talked about stuff that was important, but maybe only on the surface. He had noticed something that I had brought up the other day, but he obviously saw in person that it was more serious than he assumed it was (sorry for vagueness, sensitive issues type stuff), and so we talked about that a bit. We talked about some stuff with H that is hard.

I shrugged at one point and he shrugged too and I noticed that somehow we were now arm-to-arm, and I was the one who had moved. It happened naturally somehow. I didn't experience a little one's pull to be close to him and have to permit or resist it. I didn't feel tense or anxious. We were just next to one another and it felt safe and natural. He suggested wrapping up and I said nothing. He said he sensed that was resistance and I said, "No, just that it is reality, and of course she (little one) never wants to go, but it has to be done, so it's OK." He said, "Let's pray," and held out his hand, so I gave him mine and he held it in both of his hands, which was nice and connecting. He just sat there in silence for a while holding my hand before he began to pray...which, I blanked out on. Roll Eyes I had the most serious simultaneous pushing/pulling, dizzy feeling during his prayer that was so distracting, it was like I went into outer space and was in a vacuum with nothing else around. I actually got kind of scared that I was going to lose consciousness for a second, I was so disoriented, but I made it through the prayer.

When I went to start packing up the stuffed animals (don't remember if I mentioned they came out soon after moving to the floor), my arms didn't feel like mine. Like, I could see them moving, but not really feel the actions I was doing. It was obviously disorienting, as T noticed my confusion or awkwardness and asked about it. I tried to explain it quickly, but he wasn't understanding, as it was really hard to nail down the physical feeling that was going on. He would have stayed there and worked through it, I think, but I felt safe to leave and just take a little bit of time to wind down on my own.

I had my stuff and was about to walk out the door and of course she wants to ask for a hug, but I am some sort of evil dictator. But, I guess T must have read it on me, because he offered one, so I dropped the bag and went and got my hug. I think it might have been the longest hug from anyone except a romantic partner I have ever had in my life, although it was probably less than a minute long. Last time he hugged the parts (gave one each to the three most vulnerable ones who want them), I couldn't help breaking away quickly (surprised T), because I didn't know how long I was "supposed to" hug. So, I made a rule that he just decide how long the hug goes and I leave that to him, so I don't have to be anxious that I'm MAKING him hug me too long. Roll Eyes So, I was hoping he remembered this and wasn't just going to stand there until I stopped hugging, because making it my decision meant all sorts of internal conflict. He did eventually start to release and I pulled away in a way that made him react that it felt like I was forcefully fleeing the hug when it was time to let go. I clarified that it wasn't any discomfort with the hug itself. I still barely experience them. Again, kind of know they are happening without really feeling them, but Little Yaku felt very close to T, and safe, which of course made her want to stay.

Oh, I forgot to mention that I let her write a non-dominant note the other day and transcribed it into a text for him and meant to bring the note, but my H was looking at me as I packed up and I didn't want to be teased about it, as he had already laughed about the size of my bulky, giant monkey-filled backpack and made a joke using parts' names in front of his sister. Yes, sometimes he is oblivious and an @-hole. Talked about that with T and how horrible it was, while battling denial, to have these parts made into some sort of inside joke, revealed to people. I already confronted H on it to and am doing OK now, but, it made me sad, because I really wanted to give the note to T to keep, but now I'm afraid of it being noticed or found and want to throw it out, since I don't see T again until Monday night.

The little one was really pushing hard near the end, but I was able to pull back and put stuff away and be kind to her, saying about her not wanting to leave "She's just being who she is," and T said that it was OK and good for her to do that and I agreed and lamented that it was sometimes just hard on me. So, that is progress of a kind, me just allowing those feelings without needing to justify or explain or contain them. Just acknowledging them, but still it was time to go. I asked when the next session was and he said Monday at 9:00 pm, so that makes three appointments in a row that I have left knowing the next time I am going to see him, which calms things down considerably. I'm hoping he takes note and keeps that up, even if he still offers to switch things up later to get me longer sessions. Just knowing the next one is there, even if I have to wait 4.5 more days, is so much easier.

Oh, yuck, at one point in the session, T did seem a little apprehensive over how long insurance would continue to approve the SCA, as they only did 15 sessions the first time and 24 the second and we are burning through those. I decided not to worry about it until I have to, because I can't do anything about it. We stayed on our current plan, because we couldn't afford to switch to the PPO (which was crap anyway) and the HMO has been approving him, so hopefully, we don't regret that decision.

Well, that is my update for now. I am feeling a bit exposed and again with all the invalidation stuff that happens any time I acknowledge and believe in my own experiences, my own feelings, etc. No wonder T seems exasperated at time. It is like one step forward, two steps back with my internal acceptance. If anyone finds this stuff too weird or triggering, let me know and I will put warnings or edits or something. I rather hope that it is helpful to someone out there someday, like reading over past posts from other members was to me when I first came on...

((((hugs)))) to you all and thanks for reading.
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Hi Yaku... I kinda had the feeling you would have some PAD about this so I wanted to let you know that it meant a lot to me to read this account of your session.

I'm glad he like the sock horse and I'm sure it was adorable. I like the playfulness of your T. While my T has a good sense of humor he is not playful or at least I've never seen that in him. What you wrote about receiving compliments is something Ive struggled with and that my T works hard to change in me. It was like I'm teflon and whatever compliments are thrown at me just slide right off me and won't stick. My T says he can see it when he says something nice I go into avoidance mode so I don't have to take it in or address what he said. It's really hard but I think it's getting a little better with me. I also get that same feeling at time when I go away in my head to process and he is still talking and then I miss what he says after that.

Yaku the whole being neglected aspect is really real. It's hard for me to accept too because if you look at my pictures I had on nice clothes and had food to eat and a house to live in and we all looked so "normal". But there was physical abuse and also the emotional abuse and neglect in the sense of not paying attention to me and my needs. I was always praised for being so quiet...yeah well I was trying to be invisible so I didn't attract negative attention. But I get it that it's hard to accept the reality that we lived because it "seemed" normal with some blips. But they were more than blips in the radar.

I'm pleased to hear that you allowed little Yaku to write T a note and sorry you didn't have it with you to give him. Keep it in a safe place till Monday. That was a big step for you. I had another note for T today from Little TN but was too scared to give it to him for some reason. I am thinking that this is probably how little TN will be communicating with him for awhile until she feels that it's safe to come out to him.

Oh and let's not forget all the touch and the hugs. That is so great. Your T has really modified his approach to you and your parts and I think you were so brave to risk asking him about this. Maybe I can borrow some of your courage in this area and do it as well!

It must feel really good to have your next appointment all set with no worry about hearing from T. This is good. So now we both have to get to Monday.

Thanks for sharing.
TN
(((YAKU))))

That was such a beautiful and moving account of your session. And those sock animals are really really cute. I have to learn how to make one. You always seem to pick really cute socks and buttons.

I do the invalidation thing too. I had a house and clothes and food and two parents. But I was so miserable. And I remember how miserable I was. In working with T, and in learning how to listen to my own emotions, it's the first time in my life that I've felt calm and connected. So I know we're on the right track.

I guess what I want to say especially is I know how frustrating it is to invalidate your own experience. But you will get to the point where you will be able to validate your experience and it will be T's care that gets you there. It's kind of like you're on one side of the canyon. You can see the other side of the canyon and you understand the other side. But you don't know what it feels like. Once you break through and get to the other side, you will stop invalidating yourself. It will just happen. It's hard for me to believe too sometimes just how invalidating my environment was. When I told my mother probably about 10 years ago that my brother used to drag me away from the dinner table to beat me up when my father was travelling, she said that of course that didn't happen. She would have protected me. At the time, I remember feeling all screwed up, like well, I kind of remember it happening. And then my head started to spin. I felt punched in the stomach. Well, just today she said something like that again about something else and I was calmly able to correct her and hold onto my own reality. And I didn't feel punched in the stomach. Now, I can really see what she does. But I do have to remind myself at times, no this woman has continually not seen what was happening, ignored what was happening, etc. etc. I am not making this up.

So I do think you will get there. Hopefully it won't take 10 years. But try not to beat yourself up too much for still invalidating yourself. It's a very ingrained habit and it's going to take a long time to break it. The great thing is that you are aware of when you do it.

I'm sorry that your H wasn't sensitive about the parts. Frowner That hurt. Do you think he is feeling resentment from new boundaries that you are drawing? My H doesn't usually say mean things but recently he told one of my kids that I was mental. I know it's because he doesn't know what's going on with me or with our relationship and he's probably feeling pretty angry about it all. But still, it hurt.

Your T is special. I'm so glad you got an appointment in advance.

xoxoxox

Love,

Liese
(((DF))) (((AG))) (((TN)))

Yeah, it's a horse! That's what I said. T pointed to a moose on some sort of quilt on his wall, one without antlers, and it did look a little similar, except the mane and tale, but I actually harassed him about it, because he is safe to tease. I told him that every single child who had seen it, even before the legs and tale were attached, said, "Horsey...neigh!" I'm actually looking up these ideas in a book in terms of what I'm making, so I can't really claim credit for the whole nostril thing. The picture I copied was for a zebra, so I did have to tweak it a little bit. Smiler I've had a few people suggest starting a business, and I did just buy a small, crafting sewing machine, so I can do the interior stitching more quickly (though I will be sad I can't say they are 100% hand-made). However, if I don't do that, they just take too long. I don't know. It also feels weird to sell them. I just keep giving them to Boo or others, although I've only made five so far. I put so much attention into them (like spending up to an hour sifting through and finding the right buttons for the eyes for the monkeys and kitties) that it just seems crass to sell them. If I did ever do that, I would probably donate a portion of the proceed to charity, so I could feel like selling them was meaningful. I don't know, maybe I'm being weird?

DF - I will definitely tell you if I figure out the secret. Please do me the same favor!!!

AG - Thanks for taking the time to drop in on my thread while you are so busy. I really appreciate that!!! For some reason, you guys complimenting my horse doesn't make me feel weird. I guess online is safe. Big Grin

TN - I wonder if your T would be playful. I would have never thought he would be before starting the sort of work we're doing now. I mean, he would suggest things like writing with my left hand before, but he didn't let his playful, goofy side show at first. He was Mr. Serious Spiritual Guy. He was always friendly and kind, but not goofy and playful. If your T has worked with kids before, I'd bet he has it in him to be that way if it is a helpful way to engage. However, it kind of freaked me out when he started to let it show, like was it OK for me to engage with it, so maybe he is taking his time? I don't know. I am just trying to be done making assumptions about who my T is or is not.

I'm sorry you struggle to accept compliments from your T too. He says you're a great client all the time and for sure, it sounds to me like you are...very aware, hard-working. It must really be a pleasure to work with you. Big Grin

Yeah, you described it perfectly, normal with blips...except anyone I've ever talked to my family about goes, "Um...wait, that's not normal at all!" Wink

Thanks for encouraging me with my note. It was hard to let it happen and of course then I went into my making things up stuff, but I guess I just need to get over it and say, "OK, then, who cares?" It's not like I'm consciously deceiving anyone, so I just have to get over it. I do want to bring him the note...we shall see.

I will lend you all the spare courage I have. I really do think your T is safe to ask about the hugs!!!

Monday doesn't feel as far when I'm sure about the day, so that is great. Smiler

Thanks for listening!!!
Liese - Crossposted last night. Thanks for the compliments on Bullwinkle and for sharing your own struggles with invalidation. I can relate to being told things didn't happen when you're pretty sure they did, or even absolutely sure, but you get told it isn't so enough and you start to have that doubt creep in. I'm so sorry your home was so invalidating as a kid. Frowner But, I'm glad you and your T are doing such great work together.

As for H, in this case, I think it was 90% thoughtlessness and 10% enjoying getting a reaction out of me. He can be pretty immature at times, but he doesn't think ahead enough to tell the difference between playful and inappropriate. It wasn't intended to actually be hurtful to me. He has been pushing back against the new boundaries I am setting a bit, but this was genuinely him trying to be teasing and it NOT being appreciated by me, which I outright told him. When he does get mean (he can be crass and unnecessarily confrontational regularly, but is rarely nasty or vindictive), I'd say that most of the time is the result of him feeling rejected, because he's projecting or universalizing stuff.

Monte - Thanks for the compliments on my horse and my T's names. He liked Morse, but I liked Hoose, but Bullwinkle the Horse is OK. I told him it was important that it was a horse, because Little Yaku LOVES horses, so he won't ever say it's a moose again, I'm sure. Smiler

Even you're saying "the things that went wrong were really bad" froze me up with a "NooooOOOOooOOOO!" reaction. It's automatic. I'll get there. I already have more compassion for the attachment stuff with T than I ever imagined myself capable of, so I know progress is not impossible. Smiler

My T has had one other DID client (over a decade ago, I think), at which point he did extensive research into it. Apparently, I nearly immediately reminded him of that other client, although it took us nine months working together to acknowledging the parts stuff. He has also done trauma work in the past, but his current clientele seems to be mostly married couples, male sexuality and his court-appointed anger management program. He's just really intuitive or relational, so I think being adaptive is maybe just one of his strengths. I am frankly amazed by it. When we first discussed touch, he was very much personally in favor, but professionally uncertain (like your T has sounded--concerned about guidelines). When I sent him that article TN posted, which I had also read before, he said that it was just how he felt and it was helpful to see that opinion from a respected clinician and also to know that there was nothing specifically prohibitive of what he wanted to offer. He read it all the very next day, although it was quite long. I am just very blessed to have him. Smiler

I hope I do give him the note or maybe write him more. I also hope I have the guts to look at him (I often still struggle with that, although it's getting better), because I am sure he's going to give me a big grin. Big Grin Yes, definitely, way better than NOT doing it...or so I think at this present moment.

I wish you could have more time with your T too. Things feel most stable for me at the 3-5 hour per week level. Of course, with all the outside contact available to me, we are honestly communicating more than just that.
Yaku,

Just love the horse (or snazzy zebra Wink)....you are very talented. I've never seen a moose, only in pictures, but even O iknow they have antlers Big GrinDo the ideas come from you or have you seen others? I love them!Well you know where you might getyour first orders from if you set up a business - you'll have a loyal fan base here of people needing a sock toy to take to therapy Wink

Glad T is still constant and willing to keep trying out new things with you. He seems to have stretched himself a little out of his comfort zone, from the man you described initially who seemed a bit cautious. I may be wrong here Yaku, but I can see a change in him as well as you and they are both really positive Smiler

Hugs, starfishy
starfishy - I have a book that I use and then tweak their ideas with my own. Basically, I get the technique from the book and then after trying it out on my own find ways I think work better for me. I would feel so guilty selling them to anyone I knew, even online! I can't afford (time or materials) to make one for everyone I know who might like one, but I wish I did. I am going to try to make them from the younger kids in my family (my sisters, 20, 19; nieces, 15, 1; brother, 14; nephews, 1, 1, infant) for Christmas, plus a for the kids I'm watching, but I don't know if I'll have time for all that.

Thanks for the encouragement about the positive changes you see. Big Grin I wonder if my T was really cautious like I've described or if I just perceived him that way. Either way, I do think he has grown as a result of our work together. He is so humble and willing to do what he thinks is best, go wherever he feels led to. Several months ago, I was complaining about how difficult working with me must be. A little later the same session, we were talking about how challenging it is to be a parent and I mentioned that it is also very rewarding. I didn't understand what he meant at the time, but he said, "That is just exactly the way I feel," in reference to our work together. So, I know he is simultaneously challenged and rewarded and that feels good. Smiler
Hey Yaku,

Sorry for being so late to this! I have no idea how he thought that was a moose! I think it's absolutely adorable, and I love the name. Smiler You work so hard in therapy - I hope you know that. Thank you for sharing about your session - it's really a great thing to read and is very inspiring and heart-warming. I really hope things with insurance work out...It seems like, if they start fighting about more sessions, your T will fight even harder. So I have faith that it will all work out.

Many hugs!

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