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I grew up in a very mixed house in regards to spirituality. My father is Catholic and my mother is Baptist. When I was younger, she went through a period of TBN-watchin', tent-revival-lovin', "Jesus is the only Answer" fundamentalist crap. I remember being told many times that I was a sinner, that we pray for forgiveness, and that we'll either a) die and go to heaven if we take up the cross of Jesus, or b) be resurrected by Christ before he allows the world to descend into chaos, or c) suffer in hell, separated from God. I was also indoctrinated into the belief that "principalities and powers" are at work all around us, fighting for our souls. My mother bought me the Peretti books, This Present Darkness, and Piercing the Darkness. She wanted to make sure that her pre-teen understood spiritual warfare and how meditation and drugs could leave you vulnerable to demon possession.

Needless to say, my twin and I had a warped view of Christianity. We were constantly afraid of being "left behind" so losing sight of my mother in the grocery store brought a lot of fear. In addition, we were terrified of being "sinful" and of God's wrath. I always felt like I should be a missionary because I needed to do something overtly sacrificial in order to prove that I was worthy of heaven.

In high school, a cousin tried to rape me. I prayed very hard to be "saved" from the situation but I couldn't get past the idea that God would vindicate me and opening my trap would only cause problems in my family. I told my sister and no one else. Around this time, I began to spend a great deal of time in my walk-in closet (reading, writing, talking on the phone). I wanted privacy in order to protect my family from the horny little beast I was becoming. My mother is a walking mask -- I had no idea that mothers would comfort their daughters with more than, "Pray on it, dear." It seemed that everything, including the purchase of tampons, was wrapped in quiet judgment. I was becoming unstable and would cut myself, dye my hair black, and write sad poetry. My mother never ventured into the closet, she never talked to me about it -- she chose to see it as a phase despite my transparency -- I was severely depressed. When I would try to talk to her about anything she'd blow me off. Apparently, I was not Christian enough.

I am now a follower of the Course in Miracles. Not exactly Christian, not atheist. I went to AA meetings a lot (much to my mother's mortification) and found a more open, loving God and I've been a believer ever since. However, the damage to my sense of self due to my mother's misguided attempts to keep us from burning in hell has definitely prevented my growth. I can't blame her or Christianity completely BUT it certainly helped put me in this current crisis.

I know that many of you found religion to be a shaming construct -- has this something that you, too, have gone over in therapy?

My T is simply empathetic. He hasn't said anything either way -- he's leaving it up to me to make decisions, I suppose. You?
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Hi there QG,

Wow!...reading your post I am reminded again just how awful it is to grow up isolated with your thoughts and feelings in the middle of the expectations and judgment the church can put on us.

In my life, I try to push the memories away but they keep coming back Frowner

I am seeing a new therapist and have not told her many of the things that happened to me growing up in our church. I did talk about it with my last therapist.....I am not sure if I will ever fully heal from it all.

I am sorry you had to live in such isolation in your own family. It is weird to realize I had a similar growing up experience and also ended up cutting.

The trouble with organized religion, in my thinking, is that it is a power and control thing, man's attempt to get others to "obey".

Spirituality, on the other hand doesn't do that and can be an intensely beautiful growing experience of who we are in relation to a greater power or energy outside of us. Maybe that is what you found at AA?

I still have many church related issues. I went thru 4 sessions of being "exorcised" because they thought I cut myself due to demonic possession. Yeah, right. I cut myself because I could never measure up to all they demanded. I felt like a fool and a failure even as a child. I was alone with all my thoughts and feelings that didn't agree with theirs and I couldn't handle the pain I felt.
You were abused by a cousin....that's my story too,...my cousin was the son of my missionary uncle and aunt and it happened when they were home from the mission field on furlough. Terribly difficult for a kid to deal with in isolation and hiding it caused me years of pain and grief (helped push me over the edge, I guess)

It wasn't until I met my last therapist that I realized maybe my problems weren't all due to me after all....that is when I put all the church stuff away and began actually recovering. She told me I wasn't bad, wasn't born a bad person and I trusted her enough to believe her. I credit my therapy and that therapist as saving my life.

Therapy is a great place to address the pain and confusion we often end up with growing up in "no choice" church environments. I also think dealing with this religion stuff can be a growing experience for our therapists!
Good talking with you,

Itshardtosay
I couldn't help but roll my eyes when you mentioned exorcism -- that is the most hurtful form of self-denial still beloved to way too many church bodies today. My mother didn't acknowledge that I cut myself (even though it was obvious) so when I was younger, I did think that I was demon possessed. bleh. It's so pitiful to think that a child could not see herself as "normal" because she was so convinced that her sinful nature was truly the culprit!

AA did provide an intensely beautiful growing experience. The program, and sobriety, really made me aware of what love really is. I wish that I could go back in time and refute the information I was given. I do my best today -- in fact, when a friend of my aunt's came forward with the news that her son was gay, I challenged their belief that it was his mother's fault (she over-raised him, whatever that means) and that he is just hanging out with the wrong people. I feel so sorry for this woman because her grief is real, but my aunt's comfort only brings judgment down upon her. And the son! My heart hurts for him...

I'm so sorry that you were abused too. It's nice to know that we are doing something positive now, huh?
OMG, (oops, did I use the Lord's name in vain, I better repent or else. Maybe it doesn't count cuz its initials. But, it's the thought that counts, so I better repent.)

I SOOOOOOO want to be part of this conversation, but I'm leaving for disneyland tomorrow. Maybe I'll catch up when I'm down there, but probably not, I'll be so tired. I'll try to catch up on this when I get back.

Thanks for starting the conversation QG!

catgirl
I only have a few minutes here, but I read what you two wrote, and I see similarities. My dad was a pastor-fundamentalist, evangelical church.

I, too, used to cut myself. I still struggle with the desire to cut myself when I feel self-hatred. But, I haven't actually broken the skin in years.

I was molested by my grandfather. Because of the whole church thing, I thought I was SOOOOO bad. I hated myself. I tried to tell my mom, and she said that I must be dreaming it. I convinced myself that I was dreaming it all. I thought I must be the biggest sinner ever to be able to come up with these ideas to dream. I mean, we didn't even have a name for that part of our body, it was that bad. If I could dream this, then I must be really bad.

Anyway, not much time now, but the christianity thing really screwed me and my family up.

catgirl
CT -- I think its possible to believe that religion is not necessarily a bad thing. I honestly think that therapy is a form of spirituality (the 20th-21st century kind). Many people at the many churches I've attended are excellent people and seem very well-adjusted and content, so kudos to them!

For me, walking into a church feels like walking into a bubble. My childhood was a study of dividing the world into good guys and bad guys, with no one in between. If I didn't behave like a good girl, then I was a bad girl. Therapy is really bringing a lot of this to the surface so, after a long period of not "breaking skin," I found myself at it again.

I think that believing in grace, love, and gratitude is a component of all organized religion. In fact, I see this forum as a little chapel -- all of us being honest about our hopes, fears, frustrations, and victories and believing, sometimes moreso than other times, that this process is going to help us save ourselves.

Hallelujah!

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