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I am so mad at my T right now I just need to vent before I explode.

My H stayed home sick today, so I didn't get up until 9:30 (I'm on sleep meds and unless H or my kids wake me up I am dead to the world).

At 3:00 this afternoon I walked by my purse on the kitchen counter and felt like I should check my cell phone to see if anyone had called or anything. That's rare, because I don't often get calls on my cell, as I'm usually home and get calls there. Well, when I opened my phone it said I had a new voicemail message. It was from my T. She said she was back this week (duh!) and was buried, and hadn't had any cancellations for Wed., which was when I told her I could come in if she had a cancellation, but that she did have one for tomorrow (Friday). She told me "I'll hold the appointment for you until I hear from you." Well, I looked at the time she had called me and that was at 8:30 this morning (while I was sleeping). I hurried and called her as soon as I had finished listening to her message. She said to call her private line, so I did and got no answer. I left her a message saying I would take the session tomorrow. Mind you, it's been four weeks tomorrow since my last session, and my next scheduled session isn't until next Friday. I was feeling so much better thinking I would get to see my T tomorrow, as this break during her vacation has been hard for me to get through.

Anyway, at 5:30 she finally calls me back. I'm standing in line at Wal-Mart checking out my own stuff in the self-checkout line. Roll Eyes Bad timing, T!! She tells me she's sorry it took her so long to get back to me. She was in a session when I called, and then she got a phone call about a death in the family. Eeker She said that the secretary had asked her after lunch if I had called to take the appointment and when T told her no, she said, "She's probably gone for the holiday weekend." (Independence Day here in the States) So my T agrees with her, instead of calling me a second time on my home phone, or even my cell phone again, and tells her to give it to someone else. This was at 2:00, and I called an hour too late. I'm thinking that if she offered me the appointment and told me she would hold it for me until she heard from me, she would at least wait until closer to the end of the day before deciding to write me off. Mad

So I got my groceries into the trunk of my car, while this anger is starting to build in me. Something similar to this happened in February where she called and offered me an earlier appointment and then her secretary called me back a few hours later and said that my T had screwed up and that there hadn't really been an appointment open at that time, and "Sorry for the false hope." A week later when my T called to remind me of my appt. the following day, she said she was sorry about the mix-up, that it HAD been there in the computer when she put the note on the secretary's desk. So I didn't know who to believe. I was angry then and just decided to let it go. Well, that backfired and was probably the real motivator of my deciding to go to a consult with another T. My T noticed I was angry with her on the phone when she called me and told me all that about the mix-up. She asked me the next day at my session if we were okay (she and I) and I said yeah. Then I called her later that night and left her a message saying I wasn't totally honest with her and that I had tried to let it go because I felt like it was a trivial thing and didn't want to cause a problem over it. She never called me back until the next appointment reminder almost 2 weeks later. I didn't answer the phone and she left me a message saying "Please come prepared to talk", and I knew it was not going to go well. That was when I hit her with the whole I'm-leaving-you-suck-and-I've-made-no-progress bit. Ugh. Well, it got worked out (mostly), but I'm finding myself really stirred up about this again. I feel like she should have waited a bit longer, or really, called me again after not hearing back from me, because I ALWAYS return her calls promptly.

Anyway, I told her on the phone at Wal-Mart that it was okay. Frowner She said she'd be back in the office Tuesday and would call me if she got a cancellation. I was so taken off balance by her calling me then, and being where I was when she called, I just kind of froze up. But then all this anger came up as I drove home. I called her from home and asked her to call me when she had a minute. Didn't hear from her tonight, even though I know she was at the hospital until after 8:00. I sat in my car in the parking lot next to hers while I journaled my feelings about the situation and was contemplating leaving it on her windshield. Eeker Glad now that I didn't do that. I'm sure she's had a bad day. She has laryngitis on top of everything and sounded horrible on the phone.

So I don't know what to say when she calls me tomorrow morning. I just don't want to sit on my feelings this time because it caused a lot of anger and hurt that got pent up and then it came out in the form of my deciding to leave therapy, which of course I didn't (couldn't). I hate this! Am I being unreasonable for being so angry about this? My T told me that she wants me to be real with her, in the moment, and express my anger when I feel it. I just feel like this is inappropriate anger and that I'm going to look like the bad guy for being upset about something stupid.

Anyway, thanks for reading. I really needed to get this off my chest tonight so I can (hopefully) sleep.

MTF
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MTF,

Is it possible that you can be real with your T and express how you are feeling without it being "angry", per se? I mean, usually if you are feeling anger, it is really just a mask for hurt or sadness or some other emotion.

So perhaps try to find out what the real emotion is behind this anger, and instead of conveying the anger, convey the real emotion you are feeling.

And for what its worth, I do not think you are over-reacting...and even if you were, you are entitled to your feelings and it would be important to bring this up with T.
I agree that you are entitled to feel your feelings. But it would be honest to figure out what they truly are. My T always says what LG said about anger, that it is a mask for underlying feelings like hurt, fear, sadness, or shame. Clearly, disappointment is something I would be feeling if I were in your shoes. I think it would be good if you could express your feelings to your T rather than deny them, but in a respectful way which isn't projecting and leaves room for her to respond. I wouldn't tell you that your feelings are unreasonable, but what I think might be unreasonable is if you took an action to leave your T over it, based on this incident alone. Although certainly it was not without its negative consequences to you, it seems to me to be a very human mistake and most likely not personal.

What seems to me to be a bigger, or at least an underlying issue, is why you have to depend upon cancellations for your next appointment when you haven't seen your T for four weeks already. Can your T not book you more frequently than once a month? Or are you scheduling them that far apart on purpose and then later changing your mind and trying to get in sooner? I have probably missed some information about this which you have posted on another thread - sorry if that is the case. I just know that my own T has pointed out to me before that its not her fault if I schedule my appointments far apart but then want to blame her for the agony I endure because the stretch is too long for me. Sometimes I want to blame my T that I can't afford to come as frequently as I would like. I'm sure I'm not the only client who would love to get therapy for free, though.

You also might want to disregard whatever I just wrote above, as I am nodding off at the keyboard and am clearly not all the way present, it being far past my bedtime.
Thanks ladies! Smiler

My T called this morning. She asked what was going on. I told her that I was at Wal-Mart when she called and she apologized and I told her it was fine, how is she supposed to know where I was. I told her on the way home I started feeling really angry. I told her that last time I felt this way I didn't talk about it and it backfired. She said she had a session for next Wednesday and I told her I already had one for Friday. She said she knew that, but that she had a funeral that day in another state. She asked if I wanted to talk about the situation on the phone with her, or wait until Wednesday. I was thinking in my head, "Duh. Why do you think I called you? Because I can wait until my session next week?"

She asked if I was upset with her or angry at her. I told her "yes". That's the first time I have ever told her (IRL, not writing) that I was angry at her. It felt weird. I said she left the message on my cell phone which I rarely use, and that I wanted her to take that number off her list, or at least put it as my alternate instead of the one she calls me on for everything but my appointment reminder calls. She said she would have the secretary fix that. She said that she had two people call the office that were both in crisis, so the secretary had asked her about filling the appointment because I hadn't returned her call yet. She said she has a waiting list of about 200 people, so she has to look at who it is most imperative to get in, and those 2 people needed to be seen ASAP. So I guess since she hadn't heard from me, and because I hadn't called her during her vacation to let her know I was struggling a lot, she didn't know that I really needed the appointment. She said she should have held the appointment for me like she said she would, and that she was sorry, it wasn't personal. I told her I know that.

She said we'll talk about it more on Wednesday. I am sure by then she'll have forgotten it, but I'm mostly okay now. I just wish this relationship didn't bring up so much stuff for me, but I also know that's the whole point. Roll Eyes

Thanks for the suggestions everyone that I stay calm and not speak from my anger. I think I did okay and got my message through clearly enough.


MTF
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She said she has a waiting list of about 200 people, so she has to look at who it is most imperative to get in, and those 2 people needed to be seen ASAP.


MTF... is that number real or a typo on your part? She has 200 clients?? Waiting to get in??? No wonder you cannot get appointments with her but beyond that.... this T is seriously overworked and stretched thin. No T should have 200 clients or more at at time. No one human can possibly give that much to so many.

I hope things went well for you and that you are in a better place with all that has been going on with her and in therapy.

TN
STRM, mlc and LG--Thanks for your supportive words. Smiler

Monte--Thanks for thinking of me. I had a tough session, and I'm really confused right now about what to do. Frowner

TN--that wasn't a typo. She really said she has a waiting list of 200. I think that includes both current patients and those that are waiting to be able to get into see her for the first time. Yeah, I agree that that is way too much for one person to handle, and that she is feeling more and more the stretching thin that this kind of caseload inevitably causes. She'll be 68 later this month. I keep waiting for her to burn out, or announce suddenly that she's retiring or something. But she just keeps pushing herself. She does it to herself. She works 10-12 hour days, sometimes 13 hours. And that is by her choice.

Yesterday's session was not good. I went into it thinking from her reminder call the previous morning that she was upset about something, or distancing herself for some reason.

Lately there really hasn't been any chit-chat. Only in the hallway to her office. Once we sit down she starts in on stuff right away. She asked me how I was doing emotionally. I told her this past month has been really hard for me. Whether she understood that that was because of her vacation and how much I have missed her or not, I don't know. She had a sort of sympathetic look on her face, maybe. I told her my H and I are in a really bad spot right now, as we are going to 3 sessions of therapy with someone through our church, although that hasn't even been set up yet. I need to do that in the next day or so. If things don't get better between us we may be heading for divorce. That took my T by a bit of surprise. She asked what I wanted, and I told her I just want things to change in our marriage, but that I understand where my H is coming from. Living with a person who has been clinically depressed for almost 7 years, and who has pretty well abandoned her responsibilities as a homemaker and mother has got to be tough. But he doesn't sympathize much, or have any empathy for where I am at. I have told him several times that I would change things, but manage to only stick with it for a week or two and then I'm back to where I was before. I'm equally frustrated with me. Frowner

My T asked me to pick 2 things I wanted to see change in my mothering. She wanted me to envision what those things would look like if I were successful with them and then work backwards to see how I would get there. I told her I feel like I'm recreating my own relationship with my boys that my mother had with me; an emotionally dead relationship. So she suggested lots of things I could do with my boys to bond with them and create memories and experiences where I could validate myself as a "good mom". She says I don't validate the good stuff I do and instead beat myself up for what I am not doing. True.

She asked me (for the umteenth time) to look at my emotional struggles with her, my H and my kids and to tell her how much of the 'pie' each of those things represented. I told her I can't really do that, meaning I mentally get stuck in sessions, and I think I fear telling her how much of this attachment/relationship with her really affects me. She said she knows that it's hard for me but she wants me to really see how much each thing affects my life. After a couple of minutes I finally said that they all were probably 1/3 each. I think in reality now that I'm sitting here away from her and can actually think, she probably occupies at least 50-75 percent of that 'pie'. I'm sure she knows it, too. That's why she pressed me this time for an answer until I gave her one.

She said she feels worried that she is harming me more than helping. I knew this was going to come up again. She seemed sort of reserved this session, or maybe withdrawn a bit, I don't know. I feel like the fact that I haven't made real progress yet is disturbing her. I think she worries that I'm so stuck on this relationship with her that I am not really living life, and she is right. I'm not living. I'm always stuck in my head worrying about things that either have or haven't happened with her, or trying to sort out parts of the relationship that bother me, or trying desperately to feel some connection to her. I told her I struggle with keeping an image/representation of her in my mind that is congruent with the T in her office. I told her I struggle to feel connected after I leave sessions, and find myself panicked because that connection disappears within hours or maybe a day if I'm lucky. She asked me if I wanted to take a pillow from her couch home. I think she was joking, and I declined, but at least she got the whole thing about wanting or needing some sort of transitional object. I have the watchband she gave me made from some of her mother's jewelry, so that helps. I didn't have the courage to tell her about the photos I have on my hard drive, or that I've sat in the parking lot, listened to voicemail messages, that I'm still searching online, etc. She said she doesn't know what to do to help me with that loss of the connection. She said she needed some help with that, and could I help her? I should have said I needed weekly sessions, but with her previous comment about 200 people on her cancellation/waiting list, I feel like that isn't going to happen. I know I should ask anyway, but I was pretty down yesterday. She asked me if I feel joy in anything in life. I told her no. I was looking down, but could see her slightly shaking her head in discouragement.

She asked me to tell her where she had let me down or disappointed me. Had I not been sitting there in her presence I could have come up with quite a list, as I seem to have a big tendency to magnify all her shortcomings. I did manage to tell her one big thing; that when I have brought things up with her in writing that she never addresses the stuff in the letters, and that last session she said it was because I said I didn't want to discuss that stuff. I told her I don't remember saying that and that I bring that stuff up because it's important to me to discuss it, but that I feel like she doesn't want to. I told her I feel like that's because she is uncomfortable with my stuff. She said she is uncomfortable because I am uncomfortable. She said when she has tried to talk about stuff in the letters that it is painfully difficult for me. She's right. It is. I asked her how my discomfort could make her uncomfortable. She said because she feels helpless about my hopelessness. That she feels like everything she offers me in the way of suggestions or ideas are always shot down because I have already tried that, or don't think it will work. She said I am so negative. I am. She also said she is sad that I am so down on myself and can't see the positive. She told me I am really talented and named a few things, which I don't remember, and said that I just don't believe her or see those things myself. I think she is getting pretty discouraged with me because medication hasn't helped me at all yet (and I've been trying different stuff for almost 2 years now), and I can't seem to get myself into a more positive frame of mind.

She said I have really high expectations of myself. I told her I don't think they're high enough. She said she thinks I am a better mother and wife than I think I am. She also said she can't meet all of my expectations of her, and that she oftentimes doesn't even know what I expect of her and wishes I would tell her. She's told me before that she has "inklings" of what my expectations and needs are, but she wan't totally sure. I managed to force myself to ask her what she thinks I expect of her. This is where I wish I had had some courage to be confronting. She said that I expect contact from her outside of therapy sessions, and that she can't do that. She said she gets to work in the morning and usually has a lot to deal with. Yeah, I can see that with 200 people on a cancellation/waiting list! She said she just can't give me the contact with her that I want. She also said that she thinks I am searching for a relationship that can meet the emotional needs that weren't met by my mother as a child. She said she can't give me everything I want. That if she did it would take our relationship to a friendship level, and that wouldn't be therapeutic or helpful for me. She said she wishes I could accept the very genuine and heartfelt deep care that she has for me; that she cares about me a lot. I told her thanks. That felt so good to hear, but I just was so shut down because of all of this I don't know that I really took it in like she hoped I would. I was pretty upset with her telling me about how she can't meet my expectations of contact outside of sessions. She is the one that started those check-in calls last year. I never asked her for them, never mentioned that I needed more contact from her. She initiated it, but seemed yesterday to be saying that I expect it from her. Well yeah, when you offer something and you do it consistently for long enough, it becomes expected that it's going to continue. When she stopped the phone calls in December I felt pretty abandoned by her. I hoped that things had been messed up from the Christmas holiday and that she would get back to calling me, but she never did. I wish she would have been open with me about why she had stopped those calls, rather than just dropping them cold-turkey. I do have some rational side of me that can understand that she just felt burdened by feeling like she had to call me, even though she is really busy.

I feel pretty discouraged right now. I feel like my T really cares about me, but that she is stuck because I am stuck at rock bottom. She wants to go back to schema therapy with me in an attempt to focus on other things beside the attachment and the pain it is causing me (us). I can see value in what she wants me to work on, but don't know if I can actually pull myself away from the worries and concerns I have about my relationship with my T. There's so much that is unresolved. And now I feel like if I bring anything up with her, she's going to be defensive. She told me she wants me to keep letting her know when things aren't okay between us, and I know I should give her the benefit of the doubt that she is being honest in telling me that, but it's almost scary. I don't want her to feel like she really is helpless to help me but I feel like she's kind of already there. And if I point out more ways that she has disappointed me it's just going to send her into further withdrawal from me. I really think she is afraid that her shortcomings are harming me, and she's afraid that she will never be 'good enough' for me. She finally admitted to me yesterday (because I told her I'd rather hear it straight than never hear anything about it) that she is uncomfortable with me idealizing her, because she said that's not her (the idealized image I have of her). She has imperfections and flaws and things she needs to work on herself. So I feel like my admiration of her and who she is is something she thinks is not okay because none of it's true. Frowner I know she's imperfect. You all can attest to that! I guess I just have impossible expectations of her because I think so highly of her or something.

I have so many other things I journaled about yesterday, and maybe I'll add more later, but I'm so tired and drained from my session yesterday that I need to go take a nap. I wish I could gain some clarity about all of this. Today I have just wanted to call my T and tell her that I feel like she really would be better off if I just found a different T, because I don't want to be the patient that burns her out. Her care for me (and her worry that she is harming me) feels like it's causing her more stress than it's worth.

MTF
(((((MTF)))))

I missed this thread when it started but just saw it and wanted to tell you that I find the whole thing so heartbreaking. I wish your T could help you more sensitively move through this difficult time. It sounds as though she's trying but not really taking responsibility for her part in certain misunderstandings, such as the out of session contact thing you mentioned.

The whole thing about the out of session contact WAS incredibly confusing considering the fact that she's the one who initiated the reminder phone calls. Personally, I think she SHOULD be called to the carpet about that one. Maybe it's partly true that you would want a friendship with her but to use that as an example was just way off base. In my own therapy, I've had to split hairs many times between the therapy relationship and a friendship and/or paternal/maternal and or lover. There are many similarities and it's often hard to tell the difference.

The whole cell phone/offer of a session happened to me the way you described. But, I prefer T's office to call my cell phone and they left the message on my home phone. When I got home from work 2 hours after they called, the session was gone. Had they called my cell phone, they would have gotten a hold of me. I was really mad. And of course, I probably felt rejected and/or abandoned. But wasn't ready to talk about those feelings yet. Not then, anyway.

I don't know if she's the right T for you or not. HOWEVER, it seems to me that therapy should go at your pace. When you are ready to talk about your pain, you will. It takes as long as it takes, MTF. Why the rush? Where are you going? Where it T going? But right now, your relationship with your T is not as solid as it should be. IMO, you should really put it out there and ask for weekly sessions. Maybe if you have weekly sessions, it will help you hold that caring image of her in your head longer? And, then you will be able to talk about your pain more. Certain things have to come first. I don't want to say I'm 100% convinced she will give you weekly sessions if you ask but I'm willing to bet on it. It may take time. She might have to move things around. She can't be friends with you BUT she can be your therapist and give you weekly appointments.

However, the thing about weekly sessions. I was going every other week for a long time too because I found it hard to go weekly. I had to be ready to "be seen" so to speak. It was hard. Maybe you are struggling a little in that area, feeling as though there might be more pressure on you to make progress or come up with things to talk about, if you went weekly.

MTF, talking from my own experience, and I've been with T for 3 1/2 years now, I just realized that I had two images of him in my head. He was either a father/romantic figure or the most evil person in the universe. It wasn't until I realized that I had those two images of him and only those two with nothing in between that I was able to work on having a more balanced picture of him in between sessions.

And, as far as the 200 people on the waiting list, IMO MTF, you are the most important person in the world to you. You need to only care about you and your needs. Screw the other 200 people. They aren't taking care of you and they never will. You need to know that you are important to your T regardless of how many people are on her waiting list. Do you matter to her? You need to feel that you do matter to her. You need to feel important to her.

((((MTF)))) Sorry to hear that things are bad between you and H. I hope something in your life gets better soon.



Liese
(((MTF)))...I'm sorry you are going through such a rough time with your T ..and H...I wish I had the wisdom to give you some advice here...I just wanted to say that i, too, have high expectations of my T which cause me to get angry at her over any little thing...all of which makes me feel guilt...but we are working on all of this attachment stuff together...I hope you can get the time and what you need from your T...(((())))...mlc

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