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Well I’ve done it again, two posts on the trot. Sorry, I seem to go in phases where I have nothing to say and suddenly I’ve got so much going on in my head it needs more than one post.

I know you guys seem old hands at this therapy business, so maybe what I want to talk about is something that you’ve all long ago gone past, left behind. But maybe you can still remember, let me know if it was the same for you.

I’ve been with a new therapist for just over 5 months now, and the last few sessions have been pretty pivotal in my now believing that finally I might just be able to get the help I’ve been looking for from therapy for years.

I’ve been able to get angry at my therapist, really angry, and for the first time in my life that’s not only been ok, but the very person at whom I’m angry has gone out of his way to understand what I’m angry about - I’ve experienced myself finally as having my feelings (me) respected, and had my anger listened to and heard. I don’t think I’m even aware myself yet of just how amazing that experience has been.

But the thing I’m thinking about right now is that suddenly (having finally had the experience of expressing my feelings as being more than ok) I want to keep on expressing - everything. I want to say what I really think express what I really feel about EVERYTHING, in the here and now, all the time. I don’t want anymore to have to keep making an effort to remember things, I don’t want anymore to have to keep on trying to understand the reasons for how I feel, to understand what’s going on in me that’s wrong that needs ‘fixing’ I don’t want to CHANGE anything I just want to express and express and express on and on and on let it all out keep letting it all out be genuine authentic really ME.

It’s as if I’ve accidentally lifted the lid on the box in which I’ve had to stuff away how I really feel, what I really think, who I really am, and a really scary ‘bad’ feeling has actually managed to get out and that’s been so GOOD I now want to dismantle the box altogether and let the rest of it all come out.

Of course the only reason it’s been so good is that I’ve had a good therapist validate and respect those angry feelings, and I know that I can’t go around in the real world doing what I’ve been allowed to in therapy. So really I have to shove it all back in the box and wait until therapy sessions to open the lid again. But that’s what’s getting me now, that the whole point of therapy is to undo, resolve, fix, change, understand, and I don’t want to do that right now, I just want to let out how I feel and damn the having to understand what it all means or reveals about me and how it’s all wrong and needs fixing.

I’m tired of having to understand everything about me all the time, right now I just want to react to things the way I spontaneously react without having to pick over every feeling and thought trying to work out what it all reveals about me and what I’m supposed to change in order to ‘get better’. I just want to feel what I do feel right now. And keep on expressing those feelings. And keep on having them respected and validated.

I feel really stuck. Wanting to get out all the blocked up and stuffed away feelings and thoughts, and knowing at the same time that I’m supposed to be watching them, trying to understand how and why and pinpointing what needs to change. Arrggghhh!!!!
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... and writing it all out is the best way I have found to do what you have just described. Fill journals fill pages, do get it out, just try not to hurt others in the process. For me, that was sometimes the tricky part, so I had to be a super editor as well. Some stuff, I just never send.
I write letters to my therapist all the time, some I send to him snail mail, (I would never e-mail him, because I am certain he would be sorry he ever shared his e-mail address with me) and he reads my stuff in between sessions, sometimes I bring them to sessions and he reads them ( while I sometimes crawl under a rock), other times I write and never share them. You could also write, print, then tear up. My laptop with Word has seen me through many anxious writing nights, and I bet there is more to come.
I am working on one right now. I always give them titles for storage. I think I will call this one- "Ten-thousand Questions for My T"

By the way- I am Hele- nice to meet you.
Hi Lamplighter,

I've been with my T for a little more than 5 months, too, and I have to say, I am just a little jealous of where you are at. Wink It sounds like you are at the point in therapy that I would like to get to! Most of my sessions so far are spent intellectualizing and explaining...behind which is the assumption that now I don't have to get messy and actually feel it, because now I've got it all figured out. Roll Eyes Every so often I start to feel something...and then I jump back out into explanations, rationalizations, many of which focus on other people. So personally I think your ability and willingness to just "let it all hang out" is terrific!

I think it's true that we want to understand why we feel what we do and make changes...eventually. But I don't think we're supposed to have to do it all at once. That's why our T's are there, to be with us while we have the feelings, to repect and validate them so we can just express them without having to analyze them. After we've expressed them, they can help us make sense of them, and help us see where and how to make the changes we want. And eventually we will internalize that respect and validation for our feelings, so we have it for ourselves when we need to express them outside of therapy, so we won't have to depend on others to an unhealthy extent for validation of our feelings. But my impression is that this can take months or years. And even then, we're probably not going to process everything at once, in a linear fashion. We might have to go through these stages at least a few times for various major "themes" of feelings.

Obviously I'm just in the beginning stages myself, I'm just telling you what my general expectations are. Hopefully you will get more posts from people who have gone farther through the process. But I think you are in a really exciting place where things are "happening" and I'm happy for you (even if the feelings aren't necessarily "happy" right now). So express what you're feeling to your heart's content, in therapy if nowhere else, where your feelings can be respected and validated. The analyzing and changing and implementing can all come later. Big Grin

SG
Hello there Helle, nice to meet you too! And thanks for replying. That‘s pretty good advice I’m glad you explained about the way you write because I tend to write reams and reams of stuff but it’s always only ever been for myself as reader and it’s never really helped with actually expressing how I’m feeling.

But writing with someone specific in mind to ‘tell’ it to - yeah I think that makes a huge difference (as I’ve found even with posting on this forum - scary but so useful!) Ha ha yes I can imagine a T regretting giving out an email address if they’re going to end up receiving a zillion pages of writing - I actually did once send via email about 30 odd pages of stuff I’d written (asked him first if it was ok) and I’ve since given him a couple more ‘volumes’ as he calls them for him to read for next session and have to say it was really really helpful - as I’d written the stuff in the heat of the moment as a kind of stream of consciousness and later when I thought about how to tell him about what I’d written realized I’d never be able to say it as clearly as I had written it. But I’m trying not to overload the poor man with too much (also for me it’s a bit of a cop out, easier to write how I feel than to actually say it.)

I think though that what’s happened in therapy for me, is that I’ve finally had the experience of actually TELLING someone straight out in the moment how I’m feeling and had such a positive response that now I just want to keep on and on telling IN PERSON to whoever or whatever is making me feel the way I do. But I think your idea is great - I’ve never really thought to write what I think/feel to someone, especially as I knew I’d not send it, but now I can see the benefit of it - so thanks for that!
Hello Strummergirl, thank you too for replying.

I so get what you are describing here

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Most of my sessions so far are spent intellectualizing and explaining...behind which is the assumption that now I don't have to get messy and actually feel it, because now I've got it all figured out. Every so often I start to feel something...and then I jump back out into explanations, rationalizations, many of which focus on other people.


That’s exactly how I’ve been in ALL my therapy so far, even with my latest T and you’ve really put your finger on it when you say ‘I don’t have to get messy and actually feel it’. That makes so much sense to me about what I’ve been doing - if only I think about it hard enough, learn enough about it, rationalize it and understand it then it will all be solved and I won’t have to actually feel it lol. But I went into this latest bout of therapy absolutely convinced that the way out for me is to get in touch with how I feel so I’ve been pushing and pushing down that road despite my need to intellectualize everything, and finally I managed it and got such a good response that it’s been like - wow oh yes that’s exactly it I want more and more of that please. So it’s actually something I WANT to do and that sure makes it easier (well in principle anyway) to push ahead with the letting it all hang out idea :smile: (Sorry don’t know how to use emoticons here.)

And I have to thank you for explaining something that’s actually helped me get past what was bothering me in my first post above (the idea that in therapy I’m supposed to be observing how I feel in order to understand why and what to change). What you’ve said about the role of the therapist in all this is so clear and makes so much sense - I guess I’m afraid that whenever I actually express how I feel to him, he’s going to immediately jump in and point out how I’m wrong that I’m not ‘really’ feeling what I think I feel that it’s all because of something else of which I’m not aware and so I’m being really defensive. That’s how it’s been for me in real life - having my feelings opposed, negated, denied, told I’m wrong and in the wrong etc and I’m expecting him to do the same so I’m REALLY resistant to having my motives and reasons questioned. But of course you are right - none of it is linear and I expect I shall be going round and round and round in circles for quite a while. Groan.

Thanks so much for your kind words and encouragement too - yes it does feel ‘exciting’ and (yesterday at least lol) I did feel positive even though the feelings I’m wanting to express are anything but. Gone on a bit of a downer today unfortunately - seems to happen whenever I ‘get’ something and get all excited about it - some sort of defence kicking in and making me very scared. Got another session tomorrow we’ll see how that goes.

Thanks again for your supportive post and I hope you too get to a point soon where things start happening for you.

Lamplighter
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But I went into this latest bout of therapy absolutely convinced that the way out for me is to get in touch with how I feel so I’ve been pushing and pushing down that road despite my need to intellectualize everything,

Yes, me too...so thanks for being such an inspiration!!

One other thing I got to thinking about...when Helle mentioned all the writing...I had a similar experience. I had written tons of stuff and it felt really good to get it down on paper. I wrote most of it "to" someone from my past, with no intention of sending it - but like you said, Lamplighter, it seemed to open the floodgates, whereas previous to that, journaling had always been difficult. This time it just poured out.

When I started therapy with my previous T, we started out reading from that for the first several sessions. It seemed like a good idea, because it was written from the heart at the time I was feeling it, so I thought it would be more accurate than if I tried to speak it. It ended up feeling horribly awkward and terrifying but I plowed on through anyway. I think we both ended up feeling overwhelmed and a lot of important points got skimmed over. Now I think I know why...I just was not ready to trust him that much yet. This was me "baring" my soul, and I had only met with him a few times at that point. For me I think it turned out to be WAY too much WAY too soon. I think there is something to be said for giving the therapeutic relationship time to develop.

Not that anyone needed to know that...I just put it together for myself as I was reading this thread again... Razzer

SG
Hey Strummergirl

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I think there is something to be said for giving the therapeutic relationship time to develop.


Couldn’t agree with you more!



Hello Dragonfly.

Thanks for the praise I’d love to feel I deserve it but to be honest I’m only able to express feelings to a T I’ve only been with for 5 months because I’ve had LOTS of therapists over the years (about 10, not counting group therapies and psychiatrists) and it’s only now that I have anything remotely resembling a clear idea of what I think I need from therapy.

And I have to say totally unreservedly that reading the amazing and honest posts on this forum over the last couple of months is what has REALLY enabled me to do it - you guys have been talking about stuff that I would still be terrified of even thinking let alone bringing to therapy and it’s made such a difference to how I now see what I can expect from a T.

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The downside to it was that I did get carried away on occasions with my new found honesty and upset a few people!


Ha ha yes I think I’ve been there before, feeling all starry eyed about how it’s great to be honest and how everyone is going to be honest back and whoops suddenly there’s a load of people getting offended/hurt/angry and me left feeling totally paranoid.


Hi there Echo.

Thanks so much for the links. Had a quick look at them and will go back later to read more fully. I’ve heard of ACT but have to admit that I instinctively rebel against anything that requires conscious change of thinking/behaviour in the present. It reminds me very much of the CBT approach which is quite dangerous for me (because of the trouble I have with messing around with my thinking). Having said that, what I read in the links sounds really interesting - I particularly like the reference to the way language (words?) gets in the way, that is exactly what I’m discovering myself at the moment. How are you finding working with this approach? Do you have a specific ACT therapist or is it something you are looking into yourself? I’d be really interested to hear how you experience it working, especially as it seems to go against the ‘dig up the past’ approach of most other therapeutic approaches.
Hmm think I need to put in a caveat here - the way I’ve written my posts makes it sound like now I’m off and there’s no stopping me. I wish! Didn’t take long for the status quo to reassert itself. I still spend the days in conflict because of this new found desire to tell everyone and everything how they are making me feel (not just anger, though that’s the main feeling right now) but get me in the therapy session and guess what, I do everything I can to avoid feeling in the first place, let alone expressing it.

Which brings me actually to a question - I get the sense that what I really want to do is express what I’m feeling/thinking directly to whomever it is making me feel it. I DON’T seem to want to show how I feel to someone, about someone or something else. There seems to be a huge difference here and it’s actually messing up the therapy (at the moment). Like, if it were T who was making me feel something then I’m all ready and raring to express whatever it is to him, but as for revealing to him what I’m feeling about other people/things - I seem to shut down. What’s going on here anyone have any idea?

Lamplighter
I too Lamplighter would like info on this, but I am more the opposite. I hate confrontation, especially with the one who is causing the angst.
If my T is causing an issue- I end up talking about anything and everything else- eventhough he tells me it is ok if I am angry at him, all he asks is that I be gentle. It is still very hard to talk to the person who is the source of my angry feelings. Kudos to you Smiler

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