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t stated this concept, which is what is KILLING ME.

i grew up in a very negative, SARCASTIC, critical, 'fear of humiliation' driven home...and when i see that leak out of me, it makes me crazy.

recent minor example, kiddo brings tea into den (against rules for kids, but he is 15 and rules are starting to change) i throw out the first negative "better not spill that", then, of course, he spills it and i get mad, say i told you to be careful (duh!) and am too aggressive with my help on cleaning it up with him (humiliation) and kiddo feels bad about himself and says he'll just go to his room and i go one step further in my bad parenting and say i certainly hope he is more resilient than that (criticizing), that it is ok for me to be mad (i am right and you are wrong), and that he should not feel he needs to absent himself and go to his room....i humiliate him for leaving. geez, could i just staple my mouth shut!!???

wow. not a major deal, i know, but that was the pervasive negativity i had, the day in and day out of it just ended up getting me where i am.

t said i could review relaxing my rules, that i could have chosen to remain silent through the whole thing as he got up to clean it immmediately, that i could expect the mild explicative that i realize now raised my anxiety, and i could have just let the natural course of his actions run, w/o my input. that i could have just had a good natured, relaxed comment that 'he who makes messes cleans them up' if i said anything at all. that i could notice in the future if he feels criticized and choses to leave that i could ask him the question, 'why, son, when you are corrected do you feel you need to leave' and i could facilitate some natural exchange of communication in 'conflict' that i myself always chose to run away from. MY PATTERN BIG TIME...run away from troubles, deny them, bodily remove myself from the situation and put head deeply into sand and imagine it all goes away, live in denial not reality....grrrrrrrrrr

y'no, it is just the little things that add up so greatly, and are so dad gum annoying to get right.

turn on brain before opening mouth.

ANYWAY, the whole point, is that this is my identification with the aggressor, from how i was treated as a child to how i, especially under pressure, default to these harmful patterns. AND I WANT TO QUIT IT NOWWWWWW!!!!!

i fear it is so embedded so deep within me that it will never be erradicated!!

gosh, i wish i had t's personality. what a pleasant disposition! i pleaded that people who have that pleasant, upbeat disposition have NO IDEA how hard it IS for people that don't!!!!!!!!

and me identifying with my aggressor makes me want to pull my HAIR OUT strand by strand!!!!

my worst nightmare come true, in four simple words. jill
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Dear Jill,

Dammit, I just lost my response to this. Let me reconstruct.

I think this is SUCH an important concept, and it's SO hard to work with. I'm really impressed by your courage in looking at it, and in looking at your interaction with your son in this light, taking responsibility for it and looking at alternatives. It's amazingly... mature, actually, I think.

Part of the reason it's so important to me is that as far as I can see, a lot of the time people who are aggressing aren't even conscious of themselves being in this role. Instead they are thinking of themselves as victims. Which makes this so important and so confusing to address.

I really struggle with it myself, and I share that fear you name that those patterns of harm are so deeply embedded I'll never get rid of them. Or that I don't even know they are going on most of the time. And then there's the confusion about whether that IS really what's going on, or whether I'm actually being trodden on and TOLD I'm the aggressor. I really can't tell, often, and it's at the centre of much of my struggle. And I don't buy the notion that because I'm a 'nice person' I couldn't possibly be the aggressor - tell that to my husband!! :P

So yeah, kudos to you for engaging in this, and thanks for the great post.

xxJ
jones, it really is the core of why i am in therapy, to 'fix me' so that i don't do what my parents did. sometimes the best i feel is that my kids will need less therapy than i do. and that is a pretty lousy victory.

i go back and forth. i told me husband, who witnessed the whole interaction, (keep in mind he is not the most swift with subtle tones) but he really didn't notice me being wrong in the incident. he said he would tell me if he thought i was ever being demeaning. BUT, it is just that subtlety that made my own childhood abuse so hard to detect, and so pervasive, that i didn't even know why i felt so bad about myself. and what worries me, is, the intangibility of it all. but, steps forward in recognition are all i can do. dang, i wish i had that upbeat, pleasant, cup half full type disposition.

thanks for chiming in jones. yep, it is a hard battle, but if awareness is a step, at least i am there. jill

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