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First, I think this post needs a trigger warning. There is discussion in the comments among the authors and other who disbelieve in the existence of multiple personalities.

I have mixed feelings on this post in general. There is lots of bad therapy out there, and we have read about a lot of it on this board. There is also a lot of good therapy out there, but most of the satisfied customers are not as loud as those who got burned. My own T has never done even one of the things this blogger accuses the profession of. I think places like this one are the best way to educate people on what makes therapy good or bad, so that they can make their own decisions.

OK, I rest my soapbox...
Mizzbelle,
Welcome Welcome to the forums. I certainly agree that there are bad therapists out there who can do untold damage to their clients and those clients deserve a voice.

There are also responsible, dedicated therapists whom I believe make a real difference in their clients lives. I know I feel mine has.

You did not comment much aside from the link. Have you had a bad experience in therapy and wanted to warn other people? Are you looking for feedback on the article?

Seen in one light, posting a link to an article about how harmful therapy can be on a forum for people in therapy, can, I am afraid, come across as slightly odd. So if you're willing, could you talk about your intent in posting this here? Thanks so much.

I am going to add a trigger warning, as we have a number of members who have DID and I would want them to know about the comments before following the link.

Looking forward to getting to know you. Smiler

AG
Thank you for the welcome. I've had numerous conversations on the web and in real life with people who suspected or concluded their therapy was harmful.

Those in that predicament can be very distressed, as replies to the blog indicate. They found it a bone-deep and complicated conflict. Adding to the difficulty, several correspondents found that counselors unable to understand or assist them. They even found scarce literature to help, including that written for the profession.

I wondered if might be a few readers on this board who might find the blog useful. The discussion has remained respectful, and I believe participants to be thoughtful people.

Clearly, it's not a link for anyone happy in therapy.

If I have posted a viewpoint unwelcome in this community, feel free to delete it with my apologies for all the consternation that it seems to have caused.
I think people who are "happy in therapy" would still be interested in the subject. That's why I clicked on the link. I'm a voracious consumer of information pertaining to therapy, and I'm eager to know the pitfalls.

Certainly, the sentence structure and vocabulary used indicates the author is highly intelligent ... but, and not to beat a dead horse into frothy glue, there's no *there* there.

Or perhaps I've read too much about therapy. What is obvious to me might be new information to others. *Oh, lightbulb moment for me!* Smiler
I'm not blind to the horrible fact that there are some very bad therapists out there...some people on this board have had to deal with that. But I, for one, have had good experiences in therapy.

You're welcome to share your viewpoint here. However I think the sense I get from the blog is that, while it clearly recognizes bad therapy, it fails to recognize that there can be (and is) good therapy. I think if we're being respectful, we must consider that there is no absolute truth to everything. Not every therapy is bad. Not every therapist wants to undermine the client's sense of self, either consciously or unconsciously. Sure, some do, but some don't.

And I'm probably borderline defensive right now, because I think my therapist is a wonderful person who is caring and empowering and speaks volumes to the good that can by done by a competent therapist. It's just way too unfortunate that there are many incompetent therapists out there.

Anyway, welcome Mizzbelle. I hope I haven't said anything offensive, because I do understand and hate that so many people have been hurt by bad therapy and I don't want to minimize that - but I don't want to minimize the good that can be done, either.
If you want to blast me as a low-IQ-simpleton-Captain-Obvious, you're welcome to fire away. I completely understand, and your contempt will be a dusting compared to what therapists dished. I even might understand why some reasons for the response.

Participants have told me that blog itself, as well as links, books and videos we've discussed, were resources as they grappled with complicated layers of harmful therapy.

If a soul wonders here who does seek these this information, there's also a community call TELL, the Therapy Exploitation Link Line, that offers information and peer support. I'm not affiliated with them, but found them personally helpful.
Mizzbelle, I only meant what I said in complete respect, and I'm sorry that it came across as offensive. I must admit that I'm confused how my response was seen as expressing contempt. I thought we could engage in a respectful conversation about our various viewpoints of therapy.

I'm sure there are people who will find the information helpful, and that's great. But this board tends to have people who are in therapy because it is beneficial to them, so you were bound to run into more people who have been helped by therapy, just as the blog is more likely to attract those who have experienced harmful therapy.
Another thought, Mizzbelle ...

I'm surprised that you seem to be surprised at the prevailing response to the post and the blog.

What I love about this forum, and why I read it every day, is that the members are so freakin' smart! Difficult issues are broached, details hashed over, sense made, and love given -- even when there are disagreements.

A post and link such as yours never stood a chance of not being scrutinized and discussed, because that's what PsychCafe forum members do.

The objections to your forum post here and blog there aren't about the general subject matter, rather it's the drive-by-post (unusual forum etiquette) and a very long blog that argues against a straw man ... i.e. that everybody thinks all therapists are good.

It's hard to believe that a majority of those seeking therapy would start their quest believing all therapists are good. But then again, there's an entire industry built around Nigerian inheritance scams. So, I'm open to the argument that I could be wrong.
Hi MizzBelle,

Welcome to the forum. Smiler

I've read your article before. It was helpful to me.

It's been a little over two years ago now since I first stumbled my way into a therapist's office. I was in really bad shape, a lot of emotional pain, and I just *had* to talk to someone, hopefully a professional who could help me stay sane. I was also very clueless and inclined to be blindly trusting of someone in a "helping" profession. This was a bad combination. The "therapist" I saw was one of those really awful ones. I'm not exaggerating when I say it was a terrible experience. The two hours I was there it felt like I was being battered and when I finally got out it was like an escape from prison.

Anyway, in the months that followed I tried really hard to make sense of the experience. I read everything I could about bad therapy, therapy gone wrong, arguments against therapy, etc. Your blog was one of the things I read and at the time I remember appreciating it greatly! I should go back and re-read now that I've had some very positive experiences in therapy and see how if I have a different perspective. Will do that in a minute.

Anyway, I had decided I was going to do the self help thing, the heck with therapy, but the problem was I wasn't getting any better on my own. I was just getting frustrated. I thought if I could find the *right* person to help me things might go better, and I knew that I was a much more informed and aware consumer than I had been hitherto. I was so cautious this time around. I interviewed many Ts carefully, finally settled on visiting the one I'm still with now (a year later) and even with her I took things quite slowly. It took awhile for trust to build. (It's still building.)

Anyway, I won't give the story of my year (so far) of good therapy here, but suffice to say it has been good. I have been helped. I'm happier, lighter, and more confident than I have been in ages.

Probably, though, I wouldn't have been able to find my way into "good therapy" without the awareness I had built and gathered of it's potential dangerousness, the capacity of a therapeutic relationship to develop a very dark side that can be excruciatingly wounding and that often goes undiscussed. It's good that there are people out there working to raise awareness and share their stories, so that consumers can be better informed. In my case, the story of my involvement with the mental health industry did not end with that point of bitterness and disillusionment, but everyone is on their own journey towards health and healing. And we all travel with a mixed bag.

Wow, I can't believe this got so long!

Peace,
HIC
Mizzbelle,

Thank you for the thoughtful response, I appreciate you expanding. I'm sorry that you experienced being injured in therapy. It should be a safe place to go, which makes the injury all the deeper when it happens. I also appreciate that you wanted to ensure that other hurting people had access to the resources that helped you.

I know for myself, that I have put a lot of time, effort and money into my healing, so my first reaction was to become defensive I think, at what I saw as an unqualified condemnation of therapy itself, not just bad therapists. But that's why I wanted to check with you as I couldn't imagine that you were intentionally attacking. The other factor is that there are a number of members on the forum with DID, and we tend to be very protective of each other, so I think there was also some defensiveness about other people.

So sorry for the awkward start but we really do welcome different viewpoints; it's a supportive, caring community. I hope you stick around.

AG
I'm unsurprised by the anger--the issue can be provocative. I don't solicit or expect majority agreement.

Those who share some of my experiences or viewpoint have found themselves extremely isolated processing what happened to them. I hoped my blog would offer those individuals some community.

HIC, thanks for your feedback. I understand how much can happen in two hours. It took me several months--and a friend's perspective--to exit my "traumatic bonding." Some people--smart people--stay years. I'm glad you're in a better place. I wish there had been some resource when I need it. Hemlock, no harm, and thank you for your apology.

To those who find this topic "challenging," thank you for indulging an unpopular viewpoint if it might provide someone comfort.
Some here might have interpreted my blog as a universal "attack" on therapy. I attempted to write about my specific experience and my specific chemistry with therapy. Whether gentle or degrading, therapy simply wasn't good for me. It was constructive for me to explore why.

NY Times contributor Daphne Merkin wrote a long article --generating huge response and discussion-- in which she questions her lifetime experience in therapy.

What's right for one person might be wrong for someone else.
Hi, mizzbelle. The warning on the comments (thanks for the heads up, AG, you're a lifesaver!) put me off reading for now, because I am in a sensitive place and I am trying to take care of not triggering myself. But, I do look forward to reading your blog when I'm in a better place. I'm sorry you've had what I gather was a terrible experience with therapy/therapist(s). Therapy for me has been a mixed bag (though I see it intellectually as good), so I can definitely understand at least the feeling that it makes things worse. Anyway, mainly I just wanted to say Welcome.
yakusoku, thanks so much for your welcome. That
"triggering" subject that concerns you is not part of the essay itself, but follows in some of the comments from 2011. It began a discussion that has continued for a year and a half.

More recently, more than one participant critically discusses experiences with Gestalt therapy.

I didn't create it as an attack, but a personal exploration how therapy made things worse for me and how I needed to reconceive my responses to it.
Hi Mizzbelle,

Welcome! I really liked your article. I should say upfront that I've been with the same therapist for a long period of time now and I am committed to him though it hasn't always been easy or fun. There are a lot of members here who have painstakingly built solid relationships with their therapists but also not without a lot of pain and confusion.

On the other hand, for as many good therapists as we've seen here, I think we've seen almost as many bad ones. And when they screw up, the damage can be irreparable.

It is my personal opinion that no one really knows what they are doing. A good example would be how the understanding and treatment of borderlines has changed drastically over the years. The understanding of the brain continues to evolve.

It is also my opinion that there are a lot of things about therapy that should change. Taking the mystery out of treatment would be one thing I would be in favor of. Informing me about the possibility of transference at the beginning of treatment would have been really helpful for me. Just this week, I was doing some reading on the ego functions and realized that that was exactly what I need to develop. I passed it by my T and he shook he head yes. Why the big secret? Just knowing that what I need to do in therapy gave me hope that I can be "fixed" and/or life can get better for me.

The following really resonated with me:

quote:
Stone silence—considered the cold shoulder in civilian life—is now a blank slate and a path toward mental health.


Therapy IS a mind-f**k. It's a real relationship confined to certain times of the week. Our therapists are always there for us but not really. It's not quite a parent-child relationship but neither is it a relationship of equals. It's a very intimate relationship but only one-sided intimacy. I could go on and on with the illusions of therapy that we are asked to buy into.

I agree with you that the literature re: treatment *failures* is replete with accounts written mainly by the professionals. We need people like you to question it. The *experts* need to hear what therapy is really like from our side of the couch. There are people out there willing to listen. You just have to find them. Deborah Lott is one such person. Best of luck to you.

A question for you. Have you ever thought of becoming a T? Or a researcher or theorist?

Liese
Liese, I appreciate you looking at the article so thoughtfully. I wanted to delve beyond the "bad apples" to explore aspects of ethical treatment that can be harmful to some of clients. The illusion, mystique and mystery weren't good for me. As you point out, the client-therapist relationship can hold many contradictions.

There are scarce client accounts. In my opinion one of the most perceptive, Anna Sands' FALLING FOR THERAPY, received scathing internet commentary, complete with a "diagnosis" of the author's pathologies by a mental help professional. The book has pretty thick prose and is expensive if you're outside the UK, but Richard House summarizes it in his academic text Therapy Beyond Modernity, available as an ebook.

A few therapists/trainees have participated in my blog discussion. For those who believe in necessary change, the big question is where do we go from here.

Thanks for your question about my becoming a T or researcher. I have a marketing background, breezy prose and all, and joke I'd last about 10 minutes in graduate school. (Note I don't reference my essay correctly.) I would be a tiny voice disputing the scientific model.

I have a standing invitation to contribute to one website and a few more essays in mind. And I occasionally throw some challenges into mental health discussions hoping a few researchers or Ts will be receptive to my questions.
Mizzbelle,
I am sensing some defensiveness about the trigger warning (you have mentioned several times that it was only in the comments and not said by you as well as putting quotes around the word) and I just wanted to clarify about the use of trigger warnings on the forum.

We take the approach here that people are responsible for their own feelings and reactions, so that everyone is free to discuss whatever they need to without holding back. But because we deal with a lot of difficult issues, there are times for each of us when we don't want to discuss certain subjects. It's the reason we have the Chit Chat forum so that members have a place to go and connect knowing they won't hit anything difficult for them to handle.

So since everyone is responsible for themselves, we provide trigger warnings, not as criticism or condemnation, but simply as information so that people can make an informed decision about what topics they read and when.

AG
Attachment Girl,
I seem to be blundering continually in your group.

Please accept my deepest apologies that I seemed defensive. This wasn't my feeling in the slightest.

My post was my --clearly inept--attempt to explain the triggering topic wasn't the focus of the essay in follow up to yakusoku.
I truly understand the reason for the warning.

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