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We had a quiet but very nice Christmas at home with just my husband and I and my two daughters. Our neighbors popped over to visit for a few hours, a tradition for a number of years. Everyone received very thoughtful gifts and overall it was a good time together.

But this was our first Christmas without my MIL who died last January 12th after having lived with us for the previous five years. It was hard facing Christmas without her. The grief came back in a way it hasn't in a while, so we kind of took turns occasionally falling apart in between doing all our Christmas stuff.

About a year and a half ago, April of '07, I started digging deep enough in therapy and trying to process some feelings that essentially made it uncomfortable for me to be around my mom. I was already a little angry with her. She had lived in NH for a number of years about a 5-6 hour drive from my home. She decided to move to FL (1200 miles away) but planned the whole thing with my sister that lives in Fl (my mom was actually moving into a small place on her land) but didn't tell either me or my sister who lived near her in NH and had been taking care of her for several years. The sister she was moving near and I have not been very close (bit of an understatement) for a number of years. Well, my mother chose to tell me she was moving to FL by having the sister I barely talk to tell me over the phone when I called at Thanksgiving. After being on the phone with me.

She moved to FL (and don't get me wrong, I understood her moving. She's 73 and the weather is certainly easier, my sister lives much closer and she's getting to that age where she needs someone close by and that sister is the one she has probably always been closest to. So I got her moving to FL but I hated the way she told me. It also bothered me a little that she was moving so far away from my kids, although I'm not sure why. It's not she ever came to visit even when she lived in NH.)

Anyway, there I was trying to deal with all that, when I started to dig deep in therapy and deal with a lot of long buried emotions. Some of which were to do with my mom. It started feeling very uncomfortable to be around her.

I had told my mom about the abuse around 10 years ago, and when she talked she said alot of the right stuff and said she believed me, then later turned around and told my sister that she believed that I believed it, but she didn't think it had really happened. It was actually a fairly creative solution that allowed her to continue a relationship with me without having to accept that it happened which she couldn't have dealt with. I've never pushed it. She has known I've been in and out of therapy, but I never go into detail. Anyway, from April of '07 until around Thanksgiving, I really hadn't contacted her (which was an usually long gap, I usually talked to her at least once a month if not more often) and I realized it really wasn't fair to her. So I called her on Thanksgiving, explained that I was hitting some difficult material in therapy and I needed to keep my distance for a little while but that I loved her and I would be back. She was very understanding (she always is when she talk to you, it's the wondering about what she's going to say later to a sibling that kills you) and I told her I would talk to her at Christmas.

I called Christmas day (07) and we chatted for around 45 minutes and caught up. My MIL went into the hospital on January 7th for what was for her fairly routine treatment. She had pulmonary hypertension and it was in turn causing congestive heart failure, so fluids would build up so badly she would have to be hospitalized and treated with lasics to get the water out of her system. This had happened a number of times in the past two years but was becoming more common and more frequent. She was doing fine, and actually on Friday we thought she was coming home. But then they did a blood test and her potassium level was too high so they decided to keep her one more night. Then at 3:00 that afternoon, my husband got a call from the hospital that he needed to get there right away he didn't have much time to live. My husband went to the hospital straight from work (which is an hour drive) and I ran down to school and picked up my daughters and we met up at the hospital. Both of my BIL's came in from out of town and we went through a two day death watch until she died on Sunday. We all had a chance to say goodbye and I am very grateful that the last thing mom and I said to each other was "I love you." It was a difficult loss for me because in many ways mom was the mother I had always longed for. We loved each other very deeply, had always been close, but living together had brought us even closer. While this was going on, I ended up having to handle a lot of the communications because my husband and his two brothers, all of whom were very close to their mom, were not in good shape. So I was having to call everyone out of town and let them know that mom was dying and keep everyone informed while being strong for my husband and my two daughters. Everyone once and awhile I would just sneak off to a corner,call a good friend, fall apart for ten minutes, get myself back together and go back into the room. During this time, I called the sister who I am close to, who actually had a great relationship with my MIL also, and told her what was going on. The second time I talked to her she told me that she had let my mom know what was going on and I was like, thank heaven, one less phone call I have to make. Then mom died and I spent the next week planning a funeral, a funeral luncheon, getting an obit published, and going to a wake and a funeral.

I can't begin to tell you how much support we received from our friends. My sister actually came out for the funeral and stayed for a few days to help me get through it. And we were really touched and overwhelmed by the everyone's response. They realized how close we had all been and what a difficult loss it was for our family.

My mother never called. She never sent flowers. She never even sent a card. Nothing, no contact. I'm sure in her mind that since I hadn't called her, she used the excuse that she shouldn't contact me. Of course, my mom NEVER makes the first move, NEVER. I was handling it ok and even making excuses for her in my mind when I realized that she wasn't only ignoring me, she was ignoring a son-in-law of 22 years who had always been good to her and her two grandaughters who were devastated. I was furious. But I know my mother well enough to know that I would never get any satisfaction. She would never acknowledge she had done anything wrong, she would never apologize. As a matter of fact, I was pretty certain I would get to hear about how horrible I had been. So I didn't contact her. For a whole year. I just didn't know what to do. I didn't feel like I could let it go, but I also knew saying something wouldn't make any difference so I let it go. But Christmas was rolling around and I realized that if I didn't make a move, I was going to be estranged from my mother for the rest of her life. She's 73. So on Thanksgiving I actually sent cards to her and my sister with my older daughter's senior picture and the news that she had been accepted to a great school. I got Christmas cards from both my sister and mom which, reading between the lines, was there way of reaching back out.

I HATE the way we never actually talk about things, everyone just knows the unspoken rules.

So on Christmas day, yesterday, I bit the bullet and called. It was exactly as I expected. My mother answered the phone, and was bright and enthusiastic and acted like absolutely nothing had ever happened. My MIL eventually came up in conversation when my mother asked what we were doing with her in-law apartment (its part of our home.) The conversation was bright and surfacy and took little effort on my part. Everyone just behaved like we were this lovely family catching up on Christmas. I have still never received any condolences from my mother on the loss of my MIL. I felt horrible when I got off the phone, I still do.

I am sickened with myself for not saying anything although I realize that Christmas day isn't exactly the right time to bring it up but I still feel like the world's biggest wuss. And then I realized that part of the pain is that I have to endure the loss of my MIL while my mother, whom I'm not sure I would ever have anything to do with again if she were not my mother is still here. I'm angry about that. I feel ashamed of feeling that way, but I do. I want mom back, I want her here and I can't have that. But I have to deal with my mother from whom I will never get anything even close to what I would want.

I almost emailed my T but I just couldn't bring myself to do so on Christmas day. I see him next Tuesday and I think I'm feeling stable enough to wait until then. But I needed to be able to say how I'm feeling so I came here. I almost hate to hit the Post Now button because I know this is going to be obscenely long. Thanks for listening.

AG
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And then I realized that part of the pain is that I have to endure the loss of my MIL while my mother, whom I'm not sure I would ever have anything to do with again if she were not my mother is still here. I'm angry about that. I feel ashamed of feeling that way, but I do. I want mom back, I want her here and I can't have that. But I have to deal with my mother from whom I will never get anything even close to what I would want.

(((AG)))

You do not have to feel ashamed for feeling that way. That is completely understandable given how much your MIL meant (means) to you and how little your MOO did for you throughout your childhood and when your MIL died. Perhaps she sensed a closeness you had with her and was bitter and knowing what she knows about what happened (one would not pretend to acknowledge something if they really didn't beleive it) is another bitter pill for her to swallow. But this is no excuse mind you, she is still your mother and owes you more than that. She just doesn't know how to give it AG.

And if I may, I think you are not only grieving the loss of your MIL, but you are grieving the loss and what you never had with your own mother over and over and over. Where there is closure with your MIL, there isn't with your mother. That would account for much of the pain you are experiencing I am sure.

I am sorry that you are going through this especially at this time, but there is a positive attribute in how you do feel some stability through it all too. I think that is amazing and speaks volumes to where you are right now. I hope you can hold that as long as it takes to move through this.

My words fail to measure up to what I want to express to you. I hope they are at least somewhat comforting.

Keep posting all you need, We are listening.
(((AG)))

I am sorry that your relationship with your own mother is what it is. I think it is amazing and hopeful that you can recognize the many layers of grief and disappointment there are for you in the loss of your MIL and the interactions with your mother. I think it is proof of how far you have come that you know what bothers you and why instead of just feeling a undefined pain or displaced anger.

I feel like I understand what it is like to have a mother who is incapable of a loving relationship (though I'm sure our mothers are different). I also hate the way we all know the unwritten rules and the way they always expect their needs to be met but not yours. I want to rejoice with you that you had a fabulous MOM relationship with your MIL and she was able to fill for you a place that was missing for so many years. I hope with time that is what you remember most when you think of your MIL.

Peace and love,
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I still feel like the world's biggest wuss


AG,

It sounds like you are taking on the lion's share of effort to maintain a relationship with your MOO (cow? I love it) than your MOO is (or ever will probably.) If you hadn't called her on Christmas would she have ever called you? Why does she get away with never making the first move? I totally get the unspoken family rules thing and these are rules that her and your FOO set up long ago when you and your siblings were babies. These rules are the infantile defensive mechanisms that your parents have used (unsuccessfully) to get through life and don't believe for a moment that your mom doesn't know under several layers of denial how screwed up it all is. You are right, she will probably never acknowledge her coldness or apologize and the ball is in your court to either completely let it go or confront her but I think you are wise (not a wuss) to be reluctant (cautious) about pursuing this since chances are you will not get what you want/need from her and you will feel worse.

I am so sorry you lost your MIL and the close relationship you and your family had with her. What a gift that you were able to experience a good healthy mother/daughter relationship with her through. And like JM said, your MOO could be jealous or bitter of the relationship you and your MIL had. You were blessed by it and it didn't make you alienate your MOO, she pulled herself out of the equation, unfortunately at your expense. It is amazing at how powerfully our parents can still affect us even after 30, 40, 50 years! Humans seem to never grow fully independent from their parents like almost every other creature in the animal kingdom.
Thank you all so much! It's hard to reply for the tears.

JM, as always you strike right to the heart of the matter, the loss of what I never had. Thank you for not only understanding how I feel but reassuring me for feeling that way.

HB, thank you for all the reminders of what is positive in the situation, it's good to have a Pollyanna around. I felt much better and more optimistic reading that.

Incognito, Thank you for the reminder of what I had. My mother-in-law and my relationship with her were without price, a treasure beyond measuring and worth any pain I undergo now in mourning her. I might never have experienced so much if I had not known her and I am really grateful for that. I am beginning to experience more and more being able to let go and mourn the losses and to be grateful for what I have, which is a lot, I have been truly blessed in so many ways.

River, I didn't think anyone could talk me out of feeling like a wuss, but I think you did it. Big Grin You're correct, I'm struggling to learn to have a relationship with my mother that is realistic about what I can respect, and protects me while having what I can have. Because you're also right about the fact that they continue to be so important to us.

Where else could I be met with such understanding, compassion and wisdom? Thank you all for helping so much with this.

AG
AG

After reading all of what everyone has said, I don't think I could add anything more. Just to say that I am sorry it is so difficult for you right now. I lost my mom 2 yrs. ago and I am still deep in the grieving process. Sometimes I feel like I haven't come anywhere close to resolving this. I know how difficult it was/is to lose your MIL. Everyone grieves in a different way, and I guess you just need to let it happen. Of course that doesn't make the pain any better.

PL
AG,

I'm out-of-town and traveling again but just wanted to post my condolences for -all- the losses you've been through lately, including coming to realize the losses you've felt from your FOO mom. It's got to be hard when you have to start everything, initiate everything, and it's not returned. :|

A quick and steady best,
Wynne
I've been out of town too. I was "borrowing" some nearby wi-fi where we were staying and I could read, but every time I tried to post it wouldn't make it over.

I'm sorry for the grief you've been feeling too. Holidays can be especially hard. I'm much closer to my mother-in-law than anyone in my own family who was a mother figure to me (I lived with my mom, grandma, and an aunt growing up, and it wasn't until I met my MIL that I saw what a real mother/daughter relationship could be). My own mother died five years ago and when she died I not only mourned her death but the mother I never had. It was very hard, and caught me quite by surprise.

I think it's pretty understandable that you would be doing something like that as well.

And for what it's worth, I think you were incredibly generous to make that phone call on Christmas, and you handled it very well.

OW
I saw my therapist this morning and discussed the phone call to my mom and mourning for my MIL and the interactions between, and I wanted to post a follow up.

He really helped me talk through how I was feeling and what was going on. The two major themes were me attempting to have a relationship with my mother now that I was a "fully realized person" and being really aware that I have choices about what I want to do in the relationship. In the past, the only way to feel a strong connection with my mother was to engage in enmeshment, but I'm not willing to do that anymore, then I'm left realizing how weak the connection is, and of course that hurts, but I can handle that. That in a sense I need to learn how to have a relationship with my mother in a way that honors the person I've become.

I talked to him about how I felt like I have gained such a sense of my person hood and become so much more comfortable with who I am but when I was talking to my mother and having a surreal shallow conversation that acknowledged none of what was going on, it felt like I was clutching at sand and feeling it leak out through my fingers. My T asked me what "it" was and I practically screamed "me! my sense of being a person." And, as a good therapist will Smiler, my T asked how I felt about that after saying it out loud. And I said it wasn't true, I was still a person. He said exactly and then went on to talk about how when I'm talking to them, that they reflect nothing back because they don't see me, and for me that feels like nothing's there. So I have to turn to look at someone who can reflect me back to myself and reaffirm the reality that I am a person. I told him that I realized in some sense I had done that, I posted on the forum and got feedback that did exactly that for me. He thought that was great. I finally looked at him and said "it's their vision which is faulty, not my existence." So thank you all for providing an accurate reflection that I really needed to see. Smiler

He was extraordinarily affirming of all my feelings stressing that they're my feelings and I'm entitled to feeling all of them. And that whatever I do in my relationship with my mother is MY choice and that deciding that for me to be the person I want to be, in order to live by my morals and values, I wish to stay in touch with my mother knowing the deficits in the relationship, that it's a valid choice and one I could even take some pride in. But the choices need to be mindfully made, and in awareness of what may be being stirred unconsciously by the contact. And my awareness of not being able to get what I wanted from my mother. He talked several times about my not being able to do this before, but now that I had dealt with my feelings and become more self-aware I could. I found myself thinking at intervals, that I really liked the person he was describing, that he sees me that way. Whole. I don't always believe it so it was an incredible gift to know that my T sees me that way. There's always such a sense of expanded space and light when I'm done.

At the end he said something that seemed so simple but was illuminating beyond belief for me. I said that I thought it would just take a little while and some trial and error for me to find a balance with my mother. He responded that I was right, that's what it would take, that I needed to do that. but then he said, "but you shouldn't have to, you're not supposed to work to find balance with your mother." It doesn't change reality, but his acknowledgement of the unnaturalness and hence, the difficulty, was just amazingly affirming. He knows me so well, and I continue to be awed at his ability to help me make sense of myself.

It was also strangely comforting to know that I still need him. I've been feeling so much better that there's almost been this feeling pressing on me that I need to leave, but I don't want to. I want to just enjoy experiencing this relationship without all the fear. So it's nice to know I still need him. Its just easier to do the work without all the static.

Thank you all again for being there for me when I needed you.

AG
AG,

That's soooo cool! I mean, all the work of the mom-relationship isn't, and your T is of course right about that, but it's so great that you have this sense of personhood that ... well, it's like you're all "Have personhood, will travel." You can go through the work of unfulfilling relationships, if you have to, and still come out all grounded and stable and...yourself.

That's a strong core and way of being, it sounds like. I admire.
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Originally posted by Attachment Girl:
...but when I was talking to my mother and having a surreal shallow conversation that acknowledged none of what was going on, it felt like I was clutching at sand and feeling it leak out through my fingers.


AG, what happens to me in this same situation with my father is that I seem to revert back to a scared, voiceless 6 year old...like literally. It's an awful feeling and I'm not sure what to make of it, but that's where my T tells me that becoming my own person requires being assertive in the face of those who make us feel otherwise. No surprise that it's almost always our parents.

Great post.
Russ

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