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Hello everyone, This is just my second post - I am a man, happily married over 20 years, two kids. I am in therapy this year for the first time in my life - I am 47. I went in for anger issues, but dealing with all kinds of stuff - family of origin, sex, intimacy, etc.... On my second therapist who is female and great. My wife started seeing a therapist this year for the first time in her life as well - and my wife is a therapist herself of 17 years.

My question is that my therapist has asked for a release to speak to my wife's therapist and I wonder if this is normal or what is everyone's experience with this. Now on the one hand I think this would be great because it could help us, but on the other I would not want either one of us feeling like the support we are getting from our own T's is undermined because of some opinion of the other T - if that makes sense.

It seems to me that talking to the other T would inform my T if I am way out of wack on my perception of the situation or? - why else would they want to talk to each other if not to find out a bit of the other side of the story? But is that what individual therapy is for?

My wife and I just started to see a couples therapist as well (just had one session) and I imagine that my T will want to talk with her as well.

Would love to hear what you all think.

Thanks
newtothis
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Hi newtothis! welcome to the forum!

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Now on the one hand I think this would be great because it could help us, but on the other I would not want either one of us feeling like the support we are getting from our own T's is undermined because of some opinion of the other T - if that makes sense.


I think you stated the balance really well here. On one hand, it could help your therapy, for both of you. On the other hand, in could interfere with the theraputic alliance you have with your T. I'm glad your T is

Some of the questions that come to mind for me are:
Do you have a really strong relationship with your T? How long have you been seeing her? Does your T do any couples or family therapy work? (even if not with you)

If you have a pretty good theraputic alliance with your T, then I think it is less risker to have her talk with your wife's T. If she does family/couples therapy (even if not with you) then she would better understand the potential problems in the theraputic relationship that could arise by her talking with your wife, or her T.

Hmmm.... I have heard of Ts wanting to speak to the spouse or other family members, but not the T of a family member who is an adult. I suppose it happens, and makes sense how it could help, just haven't heard of it myself before.

What did your T say would be the goal of her talking with your wife's T?

Have you talked with your wife about it? She would have to sign a release as well to allow her T to talk with yours, or otherwise, her T couldn't even acknowledge your wife is a client or not to your T, and thus it would be a pretty fruitless endeavor. Your wife and her T would have to consider the impact of it.

I think you and your wife are really wise to be seeing individual Ts for yourselves, and a couples T for couples work.
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why else would they want to talk to each other if not to find out a bit of the other side of the story? But is that what individual therapy is for?

That's a really good question. Generally, individual therapy does include figuring out if we are "way out of wack" in our perceptions, but it doesn't usually happen this way, unless the T is seeking input from other family members, or other providers in the clients treatment team... It seems odd that she would want to talk to your wife's T. Has she ever spoken with your wife?

My old T requested, and ended up requiring releases to speak to family and other providers - and even though it was all to better help me and figure out if my perceptions were out of wack or not, she did it too soon too fast, and when the theraputice relationship was very weak and rocky. It didn't help anything. My T did figure out sort of helpful info, but I wasn't really able to gain from it, because somehow, I lost all trust in her. It was a part of and a symptom of the relationship and therapy totally not working between us. However, my current T's have releases to talk to each other, but I'm the client, and they are not speaking to share info about another client, or my family, just their own experiences of me. I have had my a family member come in and talk with one of my 2 current Ts as well. Because the relationship with my current T was pretty solid, and because I was there when they talked, it didn't threaten the relationship at all, and was very helpful. It sort of confirmed what my T already thought, and helped me work through a tough family issue with the family member.

That's been my experience - just how it has worked out for me.

It makes sense for your T to want to speak to a couples T that *you* are seeing. But the T of your wife? Yes, it could help. It also carries the risk of backfiring, not just for you, but your wife as well. It could be too invasive of your wife's relationship and work with her T and your relationship and work with your T too. Just my two cents - and others here may disagree and will likely have better input, but I'd proceed with caution and careful consideration, as you are.

and again, Welcome

~ jane
Thanks Jane for your response, you asked a number of good questions and I am sure I will not respond to them all - but, I have talked to my T about why she wants to talk with my wife's T when she first asked but I don't actually recall her response. It was a while ago and I think I missed what she said because I was a bit surprised that she even asked. I will ask her again though. I do think she asked too soon in our relationship - but I have a more formed trust built with her now.

I also have talked with my wife about it quite a bit and we were pretty uncomfortable at first (my wife was seeing a different therapist and now sees a new one). I think we are more open to it but i really don't want to undermine the work that either of us is doing - HOWEVER, if I am totally honest I have to say that my wife and I see a couple things - like intimacy - in fairly different ways, and selfishly I want my T to be able to talk about this with her T to see what is going on. Because this is something that my wife and I are struggling with talking about together, I want that to be an issue our T's might confer about. Now, of course I want my wife to see it my way, but I honestly just want us to be on the same page and if I am off base then I want to have that pointed out and to have help working on it.

I have been seeing this T for about 4 months I think. This whole T relationship thing is so new to me, and I really don't know all that places that where I have been effected. I can sit here and say that I am fine with them talking but am I really? will i be hurt by a lost confidence? or am I just clinging to a self serving notion about wanting to tell only my story, uniformed by outside forces!

newtothis
Hi Newtothis,

Wow, my gut reaction is, wait until you and your wife feel comfortable with the request- if that ever comes. If you've only been seeing your T for four months, there is still a lot s/he has to learn about you. And s/he should be concerned only about you. What your wife or your wife's T thinks really does not matter. In addition, if you and your wife are in counseling together (congratulations) then I think that should be enough. I'm not usually this opinionated but I just don't see the need at this time. Perhaps in the future - your T and your wife's T should talk to the marriage counselor- but not each other. As far as intimacy, your T talking with her T will not help you. Your T can never express what you really think or feel. Neither can hers. When it comes to intimacy that is truly something that your marriage counselor can guide you through doing- together. It's all worth it.

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