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Ack.

I'm struggling with the whole expressing my needs stuff. I know that this is true for many of us.

When I am triggered, and then identified, I want to disappear. My childhood trained me that a good child, and a good wife, doesn't have any feelings and doesn't have any needs. My job was/is to work really hard, do for others to earn safety/worth, be hyper vigilant to others' moods and needs so I could anticipate danger, and to never ever rest - as in, I have a significant anxiety uptick before I close my eyes each night.

So, my expressing a need feels awful when I am dealing with my injured child identification (what I call 13 or 6). Of course it does. It goes like this:

I get triggered by something (say, I burn the dinner. Or, my wife is cranky with me. Or both). Then, something that doesn't usually bother grown-up-girl (say, my wife needing to go back into work during the evening after a long day where she was at work all day) starts to freak me out. I slip into identification. I feel danger, threat. Then, I feel a need (like, "Oh my god, I think I only can have her go for about an hour. I think that's all I can do.") But now I'm totally identified, and literally *using 13's brain.* For her brain, expressing a need is totally dangerous. Good girls don't have needs. Good girls don't have feelings. Good girls are, literally, transparent. They smile, and nod, and take what they get, they do not complain.

So I get into a fight with myself, 13 screaming at me to shut up and be quiet because I'm bad, grown-up-girl screaming at me to be quiet because I don't actually care if she goes back in to work and what kind of crappy wife am I to ask her not to, and integrated me in the middle not knowing what to do.

So, I'm wondering about why I HATE expressing my needs so much.

I want my wife to just know what I need. I want her to look at me and say, "Hey, it's been a long day. I don't want to be away from you, and it's not scary that I'm going, but I know it must feel like a lot. I appreciate you letting me go even when it's hard for you, so I'll keep it to one hour, and then come home." and then, for bonus points, "And I'll only go for an hour NOT as a favor for you, but because that's what I want."

Oh, wait. That's exactly what she said. I'm very, very lucky. Big Grin

But this scenario happens. And I wonder two things:

1) Why do I want her to know the need, without me saying it?

2) Why do I desperately want her to want what I want, herself? If I ask her to do only an hour, and she wanted to do 2 hours, I feel.... stuff. Yuck. Bad.

Basically, it feels "ruined" if I have to ask for it. And it feels "ruined" if I have to ask her to do something *I* want, and she doesn't want it - if I have to ask her to compromise or do something she doesn't want to do, for me.

Ack. I don't think I'm making sense. I can feel two questions/issues around expressing needs, but I'm not sure what they are.
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I think I understand what you mean by this. For me also I have had problems with wanting/expecting other people to know what I need without asking. I think this is more common than you might realize. All of us start life in the mode of needing our parents to figure out what we need without asking, because we can't talk yet. To be able to ask for what we need is a difficult developmental step that not everyone takes, especially if they came from a family where asking for what you needed (or having needs at all) was punished or discouraged.

On the side of wanting others to want what we want, too, or to want to do what we need, I think that's not too rare, either. I can think of a few things that could be behind that. Maybe the main one is kind of a fear that if someone does something for us just because they care about us (not because they wanted to otherwise), then later it will be used against us. Or it could just be a kind of enmeshment where we can't stand someone else having different needs than we do.

Did that make any sense?
I really agree with everything BLT said and just wanted to add a few thoughts.

Because of how our needs were ignored or even got us into trouble, we learned as children to be ashamed and scared of expressing them. This seems to be very true for you based on your belief that a good girl is invisible. So if someone is doing something for us because they want to, then it's about THEIR need and not ours, and therefore is not dangerous. It's ok for other people to have needs and even use us to meet them, so if they NEED to do something for us, then it's ok.

It actually sounds MMM like you are very self-aware and have a good handle on everything going on inside you but unfortunately, that does not make it "feel" less dangerous when you express a need. You have to keep expressing your needs despite how scary it is, to learn that it's not dangerous.

And as far as it counting when you ask, it may help to think of it this way. Another person can't read our mind, nor as a adult can we expect that. We are now responsible for getting our needs met, despite not being taught how to do that. (Please note, I did NOT say you meet your own needs, just that you are responsible for getting them met, it's highly appropriate to ask because you need other people to meet your needs. We all do.) But when you make your need known, the other person has a choice whether they will do what you ask. If they choose to meet the need, that is an act of love, freely given. No matter how much someone loves us, they won't always intuit what we need, but if they are consistent in answering our requests, that is how we know we are loved.

AG
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1) Why do I want her to know the need, without me saying it?

2) Why do I desperately want her to want what I want, herself?


Just my opinions, but

1 - Beause it feels sooo validating and just plain GOOD to have someone be in tune with us and our needs! Smiler I know I personally get spoiled easily with this, but then I feel let down when it doesn't happen, and I know I shouldn't. I can only imagine how often I let others down in that regard!
But it's an awesome feeling, to have your needs/wants/hopes anticipated, isn't it? There's nothing like being understood.

2 - Wow, well put! I think we like to feel reciprocated, you know? To be on an even playing field. No one wants to be the one putting it all out there, so to speak. No one wants to be the really vulnerable one. Knowing the other person wants the same thing has a lot of meaning, and like #1, is so validating and reassuring.

I agree with what BLT and AG have said, and also don't like expressing needs. Some I'm learning to express; others I never will.
Being vulnerable is, for me, an awful feeling.

Like BLT said, this is really common - you're not alone in hoping/expecting someone will get what you need/want/hope for without having to put it out there yourself. Take it one step at a time, perhaps envisioning scenarios from her perspective, or how you would want her to feel if roles in a given circumstance were reversed.

This is a good one to remember: (from AG)
quote:
No matter how much someone loves us, they won't always intuit what we need, but if they are consistent in answering our requests, that is how we know we are loved.


The hard part is the requests, eh?? Wink

Best wishes to ya!
Starry
BLT - Thank you so much for your comments, and OH YES did they make sense. Smiler

AG - You are my needs hero. Smiler Yes, yes, exactly - It's not safe for me to say, "I need you to come home early" but it is so safe (and also validating love for me) for her to say, "I want to come home early" even though that is what I need. Big Grin I read your last paragraph, and I know it to be true, but good golly that little injured girl inside me just squirms all around to hear you say it. Thank you for saying it.

Starry - yes, yes, the hard part is the requests. But you lovelies make me brave!

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