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Decided to switch pdocs because the other I saw is quite a distance from my house. So, I went to the new one today intent on telling him nothing and wound up telling him everything, in response to his questions, except for two details. He looked distressed and I asked why. He said, you have a lot of trauma.

He asked me what brought about my breakdown last year and I told him the story about how I wrote to my T and asked him to call me and he didn't call. Then I told him about the "you don't care about me" conversation, when T said, what do you want from me, I give you eye contact, I don't answer the phone, etc. etc.

And he asked me, and so, you weren't feeling it, like he cared about you? And I said no I wasn't feeling it. He called that an impasse. And then asked me if I left him then? At the time I thought he was wondering to my feelings for my T and the limits of the relationship. And so, I said no, that I'm there to do therapy and if feelings arise incidental to the therapy, well, then what are you going to do?

My anxious side thinks he thought I should have left, that that's what most people do when they have feelings for their T. But now I'm not so sure that's what he was referring to and maybe he really was referring to the impasse.

Maybe I'm still not clear on what feelings were really real, in terms of not really getting a sense of caring from him and/or wanting him to love me. And the more he seemed to withhold caring, the more I fell so deeply into that horrible hole I was in.

I have been in a good spot with my T lately as you all know but now as I think back on how withholding he was, I can't get over the thought of how punitive that seemed to be and how uncaring. And, so now I'm falling back into that black hole and wondering if I should bring it up in tomorrow's session. I know he'll ask about the consult anyway, so I guess that would give me an opportunity to ask him any unfinished questions.

Because at the time, I didn't really give legitimacy to the fact that I needed to know he cared about me. I felt ashamed of my feelings for him and they were getting all mixed up together. I was giving more weight to what he thought what going on, which was my romantic feelings for him, than the fact that I had a *real* need to know he cared. Sure, I did have those but I *think* I also had a real need to know he cared within the limits of the therapeutic relationship.

That article on dependency that I always talk about does talk about exactly that, that if the T is too distant, he or she may be experienced as punitive. So I'm trying not to go back into that black hole again.

God, I hate those consults. Well, hopefully that's the last one I'll ever go to.
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My anxious side thinks he thought I should have left, that that's what most people do when they have feelings for their T.


I know that these kinds of thoughts are bound to come up, but you can't know what he was thinking or what his reasoning was unless you asked him and he told you. From the account you gave it just sounds like he simply wanted to know what you did. Are you still with him or not?

You have come some far with repairing things with your T lately and I hate to see you get sucked into those old thoughts again. I know you aren't asking for advice and I'm probably not even close to qualified to give it, but can you think about the relationship with your T that you have now? When you saw him last did you think he cared? When you see him next time can you stay open and experience how the relationship is now? I know that is all easier said than done, but it's a thought.

I'm sorry the pdoc consult was so stressful. (((hugs)))
Thanks STRM,

You made some really good points. What I keep going over in my mind is how he could just change a few things in his approach to me and somehow come across as more "caring"? It just kind of boggles me. I think, well he must have felt the same before he changed his approach and after he changed his approach and it's just something in the relating to me now that makes me feel safer. And then I start to think, is it all an act? I mean I do feel so cared for right now by him (that is, until I have these thoughts.) But last year he was detached. And this year, he's worked it all through himself, so he says, and isn't detached but warm.

He could have said in the "you don't care about me session," Yes I do care about you. A lot. But I got instead, what do you want from me? I'm giving you eye contact and I don't answer the phone during sessions. It just seemed so meaaaaannnnnnn and cold. I needed him to care about me. I needed to know he might be sad if I died. I needed to know I mattered to him. I didn't need to know that he would take me home with him or that he was attracted to me, as nice as those things would have been to hear at the time. I needed to know I mattered to him.

On top of it all, when I got home from pdoc I went to take a xanax and instead took an extra wellbutrin. I called poison control and they think I'm going to be okay. But the extra wellbutrin certainly didn't help matters

Debating whether to call him tonight or just wait to see him tomorrow. Really scared because Pdoc wanted to talk with T. I'm so afraid that pdoc will say, "What are you wasting your time on that girl for? She's hopeless." I hate the idea of them talking "clinically" about me. Pdoc told me that I have a lot of potential but also a lot of trauma. So I'm guessing it's probably a 50/50 chance that I'll be able to overcome this. Any bets? I hate how these appointments throw me so much. I feel, well, sort of normal when I talk to my T. But when I talk to pdocs it reminds me that I'm not so normal. Frowner
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What I keep going over in my mind is how he could just change a few things in his approach to me and somehow come across as more "caring"? It just kind of boggles me. I think, well he must have felt the same before he changed his approach and after he changed his approach and it's just something in the relating to me now that makes me feel safer.


This may not fit so take it with a grain of salt. Is it possible that you feel his caring and then perhaps a part of you (I don't mean part as in the DID sense) that is used to having to protect you from danger then gets spooked and starts to suspect T is like someone from the past that hurt you? Relating to your T from that point of view could make him feel unsafe even if he isn't overtly changing his approach. Similarly, he may be thrown off by your change in demeanor and then react differently to you so in that case he may very well be changing his approach and acting differently.

Like I said, this may not fit so if it doesn't toss it out. As far as your T talking to the pdoc, I really don't think the pdoc will say something bad. I'm sure it will be professional. I am a little curious about how he worded the comment about your having potential but a lot of trauma. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't recover from your trauma because that is flat out not true. (((Liese)))
((((STRM))))

Thanks for thinking this through with me. I'm sure everything is fine with T and I'm just freaking out after talking to Pdoc. At the end of my session on Monday, T was just smiling at me. When I asked him why, he said "because I feel connected to you and it makes me happy after all we've been through." I just have to focus on that. I thought therapy was only hard on me. When I used to have my little "crisis" and feel as though I had to run it never occurred to me that it was stressful on him because he never showed it. But I guess that doesn't mean it didn't cause him stress.

I forget now how Pdoc made the comment. He looked stressed as I was telling him my story and I asked him what was going on and he said, "you have a lot of trauma." I'm not sure when he made the "you have a lot of potential" comment. If it was at the same time or not. I'm just stringing them together in my mind. Well, he did say the you have a lot of potential comment almost hesitatingly, as if acknowledging that I'm going to have a lot of obstacles (mainly myself) to overcome. The potential is there but so is a lot of other stuff. That was the sense I got from that comment. But I'm not going to let it get me down. I'm just taking things day by day and do the best I can. I can't look at where I want to be because there are too many things that have to happen before I get there ... and because to look at what I want from life is really scary.

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