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So, a couple of weeks ago, T said I had a bigger than average need to not be wrong. And, I kind of agreed, from the point of view that if I've invested my energy thinking about/deciding something, and really having an opinion, I am very defensive about it. Anyway, we talked about it as related to the massive invalidate I constantly experienced during childhood as regards my thoughts, feelings, experiences, selfhood, etc. I didn't really relate to how deep he saw it going internally until just now.

I just got triggered by a little joke/game in which I was wrong and I literally went . I still feel like it was misleading/inaccurate), but it...was...just...a...game...and I'm now feeling ridiculous for the really strong fight or flight response I got from it, as if my whole identity was being erased. My H decided it was a good idea to laugh and tease and goad me about it and I got the point where I didn't even want to see him the rest of the day and told him so, because I had asked him not to tease me (he always does, so I should have known better). We're going to do jack-o-lanterns with Boo tonight and I literally do not want to do them with him anymore. I can't help it. I'm so triggered. For his part, H thinks I'm being "cute" by getting all worked up, which is fine...but the part where he argues that even though I was misled and he was too (we did the game the exact same way) gets me super triggered into such a highly activated state that I really feel like I need to break things or stop existing. I'm calming down now, but still...it's just, wow, this is a hugely big trigger for me.

So, first, I wanted some support, because I'm hugely ashamed that I am SO triggered by being wrong, or specifically, when my opinions/analysis are invalidated, especially when I still think they make sense. I know it's linked to how I was treated as a child, and even when I knew I was right (i.e. this bad thing was said/done to me, but I was told things happened in a different way), I could never prove it and had to be co-opted into the "false" reality. I mean, it's definitely something that's out of proportion in the present, but since that stuff happened to me, I don't need to be so massively ashamed that I have these reactions now if I can understand why they happen and how terrifying and infuriating it must have been as a very young child and teen...right? Like, I guess, I need permission to forgive myself for being so reactive?

Secondly, I realize that especially in the early years here, I wasn't able to "hear" a lot of things people were telling me, because they were challenging opinions of mine that I had put a lot of "identity" into. So, while I might not have gotten angry and mean most of the time, I know I did respond defensively at times, or else went into disect-mode, where I methodically analyze the other person's statements to see where they are right and where they are wrong...which could come across as hugely invalidating too. I mean, I guess I was trained to do that by my dad, who was more the one who invalidated the way I thought or opinions I had than the things I felt or remembered (the latter were mostly mom). Anyway, if I have ever acted defensively about being presented with a different opinion or way of looking at things and invalidated or hurt anyone, I want to really apologize for having done it. I ask that you please understand I was behaving out of a highly triggered/reactive place (doesn't make it right) and forgive me. Anyone who has interacted with me over a longer period has likely experienced this from me and I am deeply sorry if I ever caused any frustration or pain, because it didn't feel like I could was able to listen to your thoughts and feelings.

Lots of love,

Yaku
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OMG, Yaku. I absolutely SUCK at being wrong. I hate, hate, hate it. I hate someone else insisting I am wrong when I "know" that I am right. I have put know in inverted commas because this also includes times when I have later been proven to be not correct but up until that point my brain had been hanging on to the notion that I was right with all its force and might. Roll Eyes

Sounds like you and H have a similar dynamic going on to myself and Mr Mallard too. It doesn't feel cute - it feels utterly infuriating and I used to explode or cry or both with alarming regularity Eeker I still don't manage to catch myself all the time now either.

I think it relates massively to having grown up in an environment where my feelings and experiences were constantly "reframed" for me by my mother. Often I was told what I was thinking and feeling - and there was nothing I could do to change her opinion. The pain associated with that experience was indescribable and I get sent back there in the blink of an eye.

You are definitely not alone with this. The hardest thing for me now is actually backing down when I'm activated and apologising. This is strongly related I think to being made to apologise for things I didn't do, say or think. Often I would apologise pre-emptively to stop the inevitable punishment.

Gosh, this obviously touched enough of a nerve to snap me out of my weird, confused, wordless fog.

You're definitely not alone in this. I really feel for you because I get how difficult it is to control. I have varying degrees of success in trying to self-soothe. It depends how well-resourced I am. For example, I managed to prevent an interaction from going south at the weekend because I'd talked about this very topic in therapy and it was in the forefront of my mind. The time I went most recently was after a long drive home after a full weekend at college.

What you're describing sounds like a somewhat inevitable reaction to living in a terribly invalidating environment and, although I get where the shame comes from - as I experience it myself - in my rational moments I don't think it is shameful to be triggered.

((((Yaku))))


(((yaku)))
This...is...sooooo...me. I can relate immensely to so much written in this thread. I was also told what I thought or believed throughout my childhood, and it is maddening to feel that mirrored in adulthood. I am sorry it feels so intense for you Frowner It is a process to learn to have compassion with yourself when you've been so terribly invalidated growing up. I think part of the difficulty for me is I have such black and white thinking, and when I hear I'm wrong I go into panic mode, thinking I must be wrong all the time, or else this other person is wrong all the time.

I also know what you mean about not being able to 'hear' people when they say something that doesn't match my internal state. I just came to notice this not too long ago, and wasn't even aware I did it. Mostly with accepting compliments, instead of thank you it's always an argument from me

I'm so sorry you also felt this Mallard (((hugs))) Just wanted to add in there you aren't alone.

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What you're describing sounds like a somewhat inevitable reaction to living in a terribly invalidating environment and, although I get where the shame comes from - as I experience it myself - in my rational moments I don't think it is shameful to be triggered.



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