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Big apologies in advance for this LONG post - I can’t seem to find it in me to edit it properly, so sorry for the length.

For a long time I’ve had the impression that when my T talks to me, he’s not talking about anything that I can relate to - even when he’s ostensibly replying to something I’ve said, or making a comment about something I’ve explained, I always feel as if what he’s saying shows he hasn’t really heard me, hasn’t been listening to what I’ve been trying to get across to him. This has been a recurring complaint of mine in nearly every session (‘you don’t UNDERSTAND!!!!’) I’m always waiting for the right words, the correct response that will somehow make me feel understood.

Last session I made a conscious effort to pay attention to what he was saying, really tried hard to listen to his words and try and understand what he meant. And I still didn’t feel as if he was relating to what I’d been saying, still felt as if he hadn’t gotten the meaning of MY words.

Thinking about it afterwards I realized I wasn’t actually hearing him. It was as if he were talking to me from a long way away and I could barely make out what he was saying, and that all I actually heard were words, that had no meaning. And I suddenly realized that it felt as if I had cotton wool in my head, that something in ME was preventing my understanding the meaning of his words. That I remember sitting there having finished whatever I was saying and listening to him go on, and on, and on and thinking I wish to hell he would shut up I don’t know what he’s talking about I don’t want to hear all this verbiage it’s just making my head go all fuzzy…

It’s made me realize that words are valueless to me. I’ve used words most of my life to survive, putting everything into words, explaining and rationalizing and listening and reading and taking in information all in the form of words, whose actual meaning somehow vanishes and I’m left with a handful of words that don’t really mean very much. So it’s not that I’m not hearing my T, it’s that his words don’t mean anything to me.

I’ve been beginning to get a sense of his being on my side, even understanding me a little (but just a little lol) I realize now, not from what he’s been saying to me, but by his actions and demeanour. By his calm facial expressions and the even tone of his voice. I’ve actually been getting some of the responses I’m endlessly looking for, but they’re coming not from what he’s saying, but from how he is with me on a non-verbal level.

Interestingly, I have in my memory snippets of sentences he’s said that have obviously meant something to me - things that have made me realize it’s ok for me to be there, ok for me to say what I have said, ok for me to go on and on and on about things that bother me with the therapy. I suspect I’ve remembered those particular bits of sentences because they actually hold the meaning of what he’s been saying, which has been a response I’ve been looking for (that’s got into my head in a non-verbal way, and the words are just like shorthand for the emotional understanding that’s happened.)

Hm I don’t really know what I’m asking here, this is a totally new thing for me, an insight like I’ve never had before so I’m spinning around a bit in excitement - for me to get something without having rationalized it or thought it into existence with words first, that’s a really Big Deal to me.

I guess the obvious comment would be that of course the greater percentage of communication is non-verbal etc but I’ve never seen before just how much I’ve relied on words alone for everything, and how meaningless they really are when it comes to genuinely understanding things, especially emotional problems.

I’m going to tell him next session ‘I can’t hear you’. And in writing that I’ve just realized that what I’m really wanting, all I can really cope with, is a few short words in response, not some lengthy dissertation on the whys and wherefores of psychology and the psychodynamic model etc etc I just want a short bite sized response that lets me stay in touch with what’s going on in me without having to go over into his head and try and work out what he means, and suddenly I’m thinking, that’s just like a child would, a child can’t understand great big long elaborate explanations of things, a child can only cope with a small amount of relevant and to the point information at any one time, and ESPECIALLY when it’s to do with something highly emotional. A direct short response that says everything that needs saying, without going into longwinded adult type explanations. Well I’m sure there’s some weighty insight there, but as you can guess now my mind is going into overdrive trying to understand it and rationalize it so of course now words are just getting in the way. LOL!

Wow this forum is like therapy in miniature, makes a great sounding board to write stuff and realize all sorts of things as you’re writing that you just don’t get when you’re writing for yourself alone.

Sorry I’m really rambling here, (comes of being too used to having to be precise with words lol) I guess I just wondered if anyone else knows what I’m talking about, or had a similar sort of experience with not hearing what their therapist is saying to them.

Lamplighter
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Hi All,

On the other hand I like listening to my T even if he talks sh..t. Smiler
Yes, I also fish for some bits and pieces that are more meaningful, that are touching me in some way. But just listening to him in general (and he seems to like talking Smiler) is very important. I think it's the fact that somebody talks to ME, pays attention to ME is so important. I guess, I didn't have adults bothering to talk to me a lot when I was a child.
Thanks so much Monte and Amazon for replying. Have to confess I always freak out when I post here thinking god I’m talking rubbish and no-one is going to understand or even reply so I really appreciate it.

Monte that makes real sense that of course what T is saying is relevant and useful - recording sessions is very brave of you (I couldn’t do it far too terrified to listen either to myself saying stupid things or to T saying things I should have heard and understood.) I also get completely what you’re saying about hearing things that you’re looking for - been thinking about this for ages now and I suspect I’m really wanting reassurance, reflections of me as ok, to know that T is seeing me as good etc which scares the hell out of me naturally!

And that’s where I’ve landed myself today, in a real mess - all the clarity and sense of progressing I felt yesterday has been swallowed up in black fear - I’m feeling really shaky and scared and want to just forget all about sorting myself out and get back to ‘normal’, it’s this kind of fear that has me desperately trying to rationalize with words what the hell is going on and I’m not doing a very good job of it right now. Gah don’t even know what I’m trying to say here. Doesn’t help that I forgot to take my sleeping pill last night (how can you forget to take a sleeping pill you may ask (or not lol) well by the time I worked out I’d forgotten to take it, it was already 4.30am so a tad late. Maybe I will use this as a chance to get off them altogether…)

And Amazon I really feel for you when you say adults didn’t bother talking to you when you were a child - snap. So I can understand why you would want to hear your T talking to you, feeling acknowledged and recognized and important enough to be worthy of someone’s wanting to tell you things. I suppose I’m the other way though - got too much talking AT (yelled at, told off, verbally abused etc) without me being heard so it’s the listening by T that’s more important to me. I think anyway. Boy am I confused right now lol.

Lamplighter
Blackbird hi and thanks for your reply.

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Lamplighter, do you experience that you can understand the written word and communicate better with it? I find, understanding the spoken word very difficult, and making myself understood anxiety-producing...but I can read volumes of books and understand complex stuff no problem. So strange...do you think it's a brain vs. emotion thing? Like your emotions never grew up, but your brain did, so when you get emotional you stop being able to think and process like an adult would? I ofen feel very much like a small kid with my P, like you, scanning for signs of his care, (or lack therof.)


Absolutely YES YES YES YES!! The brain/emotion thing that makes a lot of sense that’s what I’ve always felt that somehow I can think and read and process information really easily and even talk about abstract ideas and concepts clearly but the moment it comes to feelings or even trying to explain what I think about things yeah it’s like I’m light years behind my brain as if I’m only four years old or coming from some primeval undeveloped part of myself that my conscious mind doesn’t understand at all.

I guess I’ve spent all my life processing things in an adult sort of way, so now that I’m dealing with feelings yeah I’m probably wanting to be related to as a child not as a rational thinking reasoning adult. That is really scary, all about control and that’s a big issue.

So yes writing is so much easier for me, and talking especially face to face (but on phone too) really makes me anxious and uptight, never mind what I’m talking about, but if it’s talking about me hell anxiety doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel lol.

You’ve said it so well there - ‘scanning for signs of his care (or lack thereof)’ - that’s exactly what I’m up to, only I suspect I’m still at the scanning for signs of permission stage right now haven’t got to the does he care or doesn’t he bit yet.

Hey that is really good that your T gets what you meant - that he checks in with you to see if you have understood and that he’s willing to repeat and rephrase - yeah that willingness alone shows he’s thinking of you and your needs, that must make a big difference (wish they could mind read though don’t you?) I think I’m not at the stage where I want him to re-explain stuff - I actually don’t want to hear a lot of words and ideas I want to be able to make the aha connection internally on a different level, so yeah your Peanuts analogy is brilliant that’s exactly how it sounds to me, all the words and ideas and concepts are literally ‘wa wa wa’ - except like the example you gave, I’ll hear something critical alright - that’s my mindset, anticipating endless criticisms and judgements so never mind that I don’t get the sense of what someone is saying I’m also unerringly going for the word or idea that is going to mean something negative about me. Thanks adult brain! (At least now I’m also scanning for good about me, so all is not lost.)

Interesting take you have on Amazons’ comments - I too find myself interrupting what T is saying, but I’m assuming it’s because he’s NOT giving me what I’m after and so am dismissing it in a ‘yes yes yes but’ sort of way. But it sounds like your T might be on the ball there with the comment about your finding ways to avoid or disbelieve his care. Do you really think that what’s going on? I’d be interested to hear what you think as it's highly likely I’m going to find myself doing the same sort of thing.

Lamplighter
Hi Lamplighter

What really stood out in your post was
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a child can't understand great big long explanations of things, a child can only cope with a small amount of relevant information..


Maybe at those times when you feel you don't understand his words you have to remember that it's because it's your child that's trying to understand at that time, not your adult. When things are difficult for me, I think immediately like a child and need everything to be simple, if not I start to feel muddled by even basic requests or explanations. Think sometimes I wouldn't even be able to say my own address if asked Frowner Frowner

I still rebel against this - try to pretend it's not happening when really words are just wooshing over my head and seem meaningless. It's good to know I'm not alone, but it makes me feel very silly nonetheless. Sometimes my T notices, sometimes not, cos I guess I'm practised at not letting it show - but normally she does.

Good luck with telling him next session that you can't hear him. Please let us know if this makes things better for you (and him)

starfish
Hello Starfish, thanks for your reply - and I really relate to how you describe the childlike state - that now makes a whole lot of sense to me. A week ago I wouldn’t have known what you were talking about, I suppose that constitutes progress :grins:

Actually had a session today where I tried to explain this whole not understanding words/needing responses tailored more to a child than an adult to T. He certainly got the child connection (as I thought he would, it being always worth ten gold stars if I get some connection that fits the psychological ‘model’ lol) but I’m not so sure that he’s applied it to how he responds to me. I hope so - but even if he carries on using long winded sentences to respond I now feel I can pull him up and say - I don’t get it, you’re giving me too many words and I think he’ll recognize immediately what I’m on about.

Like you said though, about feeling silly, I’m finding it hard to accept that I’m actually being ‘childish’ which is how it feels to me on the one hand. On the other hand, there’s a big part of me going - so what, I’m the needy one here and if I can’t get replies that I understand then it’s down to him to make sure I DO understand. LOL I like that, tells me I’m really able to get bolshie with him and not feel stupid or in the wrong about it. Yes suddenly I feel ok about it whether he’s taken it in or not. Hey Starfish, replying to you has suddenly made things clearer again. Thanks!

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