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...or how I'm learning to be vulnerable.

This has been an issue that has been bothering me ever since I started this once-a-week session process (previous T just saw me whenever I made an appointment which happened only three times and very sporadically). It's come and gone and sometimes disguises itself as something else but I think ultimately what it comes down to is this:

The shame of being in psychotherapy.

I get it, people need help. Whenever we are hurting or struggling with something, we seek others, whether they be family or friends. We, as social creatures, rely on one another to grow and succeed. And sometimes, that takes the form of professional help, from people who have studied the science of the problems you are experiencing, namely doctors, professors, lawyers, etc.

And then there are psychologists/therapists, who help people with a specific set of problems, that often times make it difficult to do just about anything else. I've read countless times that seeking this kind of help is actually a kind of strength, meaning that we are willing to admit to ourselves that, no, we can't handle this on our own.

But if all this is true, if a psychologist is there to fulfill the very necessary function of healing, why does society keep stigmatizing it, after all these years? Why is it that there are so many toxic ideas around about how going through therapy means that you're not "strong enough" or "adapted enough"? That you're overexagerating your problems? Why does it carry such a heavy tone of moral failure?

I think a lot of it has to do with our desire to be invincible, to be strong and capable and well-adjusted to the society we live in. To not come off as "weak" or "different". I could go on about political and socio-economical baggage that this kind of reasoning comes with, but this is not the space for it. I guess, the point of why I'm writing this post in the first place is because I've tried to talk to msyelf about it, I've tried to remind myself a million reassuring thoughts, I've looked up some inspiring examples of people who have gone through the same, some part is still embarassed about having to go through these sessions.

Coming from a family where the philosophy has always been to pick oneself up and move on, to brush things off and buck up, I can see how my environment and the learned values I have in me affect myself in this regard. On a broader sense, I don't have friends who have been through this kind of treatment or really known anyone who wasn't cast off as being "weird" or "troubled" for taking depression medication. And, heck, media plays a huge part too. How many times have we seen stereotypes about shrinks and their patients?

Resistance may be playing its role here, as well, hand in hand with these feelings. Psychoanalytic therapy requieres a deep sense of self-observation and, well, analysis of your thoughts, and that requires questioning ways of thinking, and I am still not entirely okay with that. In fact, I think of the horrible outcomes that could happen if I do unleash this monstrous fiercely-defensive beast in front of my therapist. I also worry that my therapist might do me more harm than good in my journey, though my hopeful, positive, go-getter side doesn't.

But that's all part of the healing, right? Learning to accept that you have these things called *feelings* and they're okay to feel them, even if they are negative and ugly and unwanted. I do have to take into account though: who actually likes feeling miserable?

Here's a scope of what I'm going through: I feel awful, my anxiety rises up to a bad level and I just can't wait to see my therapist again and work through this stuff and talk. I feel good and calm, and even cheerful, and some part of me tells me, "...girl,you don't need therapy! All you need is some time on your own to work through all of the post-nastiness! In fact, delving into this deep stuff is only going to make it worse."

"Besides", that reasoning continues, "problems are a part of life, right? How many friends and family do you see going through anger and disappointment and sadness and frustration on a daily basis? They don't go to therapists. What about all those characters on movies and tv shows who go through deep internal struggles and come out triumphant, without the need of psychological help?"

This is actually kind of uncomfortable to type, but I figured it'd be a good step. I want to be okay with the decision I made, I want to move forward, and be able to simultaneously enjoy therapy and enjoy my regular life happenings. I don't always have horrible days (or hours) but that doesn't mean that I should quit altogether.

So, my main question is, how did you learn to cope with this problem (if you had it)? How did you learn to calm the little man inside of you that just wants to run away and be "like everybody else"?
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Anna what a complex post!

Who likes being miserable? Look up depressive personalities, masochism and sadomasochism

Society stigmatises therapy for countless reasons. Again I'd recommend researching projection and projective identification. In a nutshell, I think one of the main reasons is that people don't want to know their own pain and vulnerability. We live in a world where it's survival of the fittest and looking weak isn't cool. you are at your strongest when you know your entire self, when you know your strengths and vulnerabilities. Denial, projection, repression, blame etc only get you so far

I would guess your between session self talk is a defence to keep you guarded from pain and interpersonal closeness, to help you feel strong and invincible when you know there's a part of you inside that is dying because it feels the exact opposite and when those feelings were voiced earlier in life they were met with ridicule, rejection, anger and so forth.

Know that you are stronger and more courageous than friends, family and celebrities who choose to ignore their problems and that by working on your issues you are giving yourself the best opportunity for real fulfilment in life
((ANAGUM))

Great topic. I felt the same way you do for a really long time and tried to talk myself into being okay with it the way you are as well. (5 years later and my mother still doesn't know I go to therapy.) As time went on, though, I have come to appreciate just how truly complicated the brain is. IMO, it's amazing that we are able to function at all without knowing more. People who stigmatize therapy don't have a true understanding of what it means to be human. People stigmatize almost everything until it happens to them. Greeneyes said it best:

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In a nutshell, I think one of the main reasons is that people don't want to know their own pain and vulnerability.


I'm glad now I had to take this route. Not that I would have chosen it or skipped over some things if I had the choice but, overall, my life is richer because of it. Just my point of view. I wonder how others feel about the stigma of therapy.

Even though the people I know don't talk about therapy openly, it is more acceptable and commonplace than it was 30 years ago. They are making a name for themselves in the scientific community!
GreenEyes Those ideas seem to play a huge part in the way my family thinks, ridiculously illustrated by a conversation I had with one of my brothers, where he blatantly said that I don't like being "weak" or "dependent" on people.

Yeah, it is that. There's a part of me that is terrified that I will be so open and that my T will hurt me or mislead me and that I won't have any control over it. Frowner

Thank you for your encouragement!

Liese That hit the nail on the head. People stigmatize things that they haven't experienced, usually. And my mom tends to do that, a lot. I do agree with therapy having more of a place than 30 years ago. How times change (and sometimes even for the better). I still find it absurd that therapy is considered a commidity and that it's not offered at a reasonable or free rate, at least in countries who have universal health care (like Costa Rica). It is offered, but it's really low quality and they of just expect you to take your meds and make your way home.

IrishSpirit I really really liked your angle! I had discussed with my T about all the bad rap that psychonalysis gets and he mentioned the reasons why that was a prominent opinion in the US and how Argentina and Chile are huge on it, as well as Europe. I'm thinking about sending it to him, actually. I wonder, are you an Argentine yourself? If so, that'd be cool, a fellow Latin American!

Yes. A lot of this attitude does come for fundamentally Protestant beliefs.

Yes. They do. Some part of me. My super-ego tries to talk me out of it. My ego, which is terrified of being hurt or misleaded or being out of control. I just hope that I will work well enough to even continue going.

Are you in psychoanalysis yourself?

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I guess, I don't know, I just don't feel into a perfect fit with my T yet. I mean, I do come out in a good place when I leave the sessions and I thought that I had done a big break last session because we had really gotten a chance to talk about the questions I had in my head and I even became a little attached to him. But then days pass by and more and more I start feeling skeptical and hurt again. I hate it. I don't even know if it's because my T isn't right for me because when I do see him, I don't feel that (at least that intensely). And also, because I've seen him for less than a month.

Might it be because I need to see him more than once a week? A lot of places I've read do mention the analysis taking place 3 or 4 times a week.
I don't even know if I should email him about these feelings (because, technically, I can't do sessions outside of the office, right?) or talk to him about it anymore. Since we're expecting to go into free association next Monday, I don't know how to bring it up, without seeming that all I want to do is ask questions and discuss feelings between sessions and not get in to the problem itself! Wink
You really should. Smiler It kind of hurts to go from site to site and read so much blind criticism towards it. Even the whole penis envy thing, I used to be in the same position that a lot of people are in..."OMG, FREUD IS SUCH A SEXIST PIG!!!!", but now I am trying to understand that there *is* a reason why that theory came to be and it's a reflection of the patriarchal society we live in...which is as alive as it was back in his day. And it affects *both* men and women.

I love Irish culture. <3 My best friend when I lived in the US is an Irish descendant too.

He told me last session that I am completely free to email him, text him or call him. But stupid social convention and my super-ego keep filling me with hesitation about not wanting to "bother him" and being too "needy." Frowner Good thing I'll see him tomorrow.

I'm sorry for that. Maybe you're in a better place now to start again? It is painful.

I've been with him for a month.

It's kind of funny but I told my dad the other day (whom my biggest issues center around) because I couldn't bear the fact of having to hide it from him, and he was actually concerned that I would be ashamed of it. Weird how life works.
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It was so painful that I had to quit. Right now, I'm debating on whether or not to start therapy again.


I went on a bunch of consults a while back because I was in a lot of pain too. They all said that therapy shouldn't be "that" painful and we should be able to function in real life. Maybe it was the wrong setup for you?

Just thought I'd throw that out there for you.
I´m verry sorry. I´ve never really had depression, so I can´t really say I´ve been there but all I can do is sincerely hope you feel better or at least well enough to seek help soon. There are always friends here, just don´t forget that. Smiler

To be perfectly honest, guys, I was kind of rubbed off the wrong way by your comment, Liese but I chose not to pick a bone over it. I can understand that psychoanalysis is not your thing, but it's not really encouraging to encourage people to seek other kinds of therapy when you're doubting that yourself, do you know what I mean? So, maybe you guys can start your own thread somewhere else? I say this in the objective of keeping everything friendly for everyone here. Smiler

You are right, thought, IrishSpirit, we are different and I'm, kind of wonderfully, in a different place right now. I don't feel as hostile over the therapy. If anything, just anguished because for once I'm making decisions on my own, noticing destructive behaviors, and dealing with other stuff that are going to take a little longer to deal with. But I feel much more empowered and positive now. Smiler
Hey Anagum,

I didn't mean that the particular orientation was wrong for IrishSpirit but also that it might not have been the right T either? It could be anything. Just something to think about instead of just accepting that this is the way therapy should be and it's something we have to subject ourselves to in order to heal. Or it could be as simple as increasing sessions from once a week to twice a week. As IS said above, it was difficult to feel such a great connection only once a week. That happened to me and I increased my sessions from once to twice. My T then gave me 24/7 phone access. That worked for me. For others here, unrestricted out of session contact has hurt them.

I was in so much pain in my own therapy and I wasn't seeing a psychoanalytic T. My T thought therapy should be painful. I was functioning less and less well and he didn't seem to be reacting. I went on lots of consults to all different kinds of therapists and they all pretty much said the same thing: therapy shouldn't be THAT painful. It has made me question the whole notion of pain and therapy. In fact, I've read in the trauma literature that the therapist has to be willing to enter the patients emotional world and to be involved in their day to day functioning. I don't think my T was doing that. He was pretty closed off. At least that's how I see it. Maybe some of them get a little closed off after doing this for a while, kind of like how an oncologist might feel. It's all a part of how distant or enmeshed they get with us. Mine was distant. It's probably more part of an individual therapists mindset rather than their orientation per se.

I think it's a great idea to tinker with the part that is not working instead of just having a blanket acceptance of the whole. Like when I was trying to lose weight. It could have been that I needed to add more vegetables or eat less carbs or add more exercise. I'd tinker with one part until I started to lose weight again. Then I would keep things the same until I plateaued again.

I will bow out now though I hope that clears up where I was coming from.
IrishSpirit: That's fine, don't worry too much about it! It was just, like, hey, guys...please? Wink I know you didn't mean to do anything on purpose.

I will! Once I come back from my adventure on Sunday (am guiding and translating for a group of American kids through the rainforest...), I really need to catch up on some me time. I sincerely hope you find the help you need too. Smiler

Liese: At the moment when I first read that post, I was upset but I chose not to even say anything about it because 1) everyone has a right to their opinion and 2) because I could have been letting my emotions get to my head and have been totally misinterpreting you. I see now that what you said comes from personal experience and that, to me, is valuable. And you're right, therapy shouldn't be so painful that you can't function. It's a tricky topic, but everyone decides how to deal with it, and yes, your T SHOULD be a little bit involved, at least friendly and trusting when you do see him in person. My T laughed with me over some things last session and, for the first time, shaked my hand and that felt really, really nice.

He has also let me have full contact with him outside of sessions and that has helped, especially in those moments when there are just so many questions rolling in my head and I am in pure anguish (which is normal in psychoanalysis). It sort of calms me down to have him answer and prepare myself for the next session. And it also guides my mindset. I think the reason why I'm feeling so hopeful now is because my anxiety attacks, the reason why I even decided to go to therapy in the first place, are mostly gone, and now it's just the anguishing experience of re-found freedom and not knowing what to do or even being afraid of it what's going on in my mind. But I can live with that and it's the thread that will guide me in the right direction, with T's help. Also, having to face emotions and destructive patterns of domination with my father and realizing just how much I love him and, even though he did and does things that are hurtful and have a purpose of their own, and I don't want to feel cold or resentful towards him because he can be incredibly sweet too and oh God...it's a little maddening. But things will get better.

Aaah, it's so complex, these kinds of forums. We're all here, struggling and just wanting some sympathy, acceptance and companionship, but it's very easy to get feelings misinterpreted or struggles intertwined, if that makes sense and forget that you're not the only one hurting. I have absolutely nothing against you, Liese, and I hope I can still see you around other threads. Smiler

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