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I don't know if anyone remembers me....can't believe it has been two years since I was last here posting. I hope you don't mind me stopping in, again, and posting.

I recently went to a new trauma support group where I was the only one who showed up. My T and another were running it together but my T was not there at the beginning. This other T asked me a few questions, Who do you see in the office, How long have you seen them.... When I said three years, her eyebrows went up in surprise and she almost looked horrified. I got an immediate sense of guilt. I started therapy for PTSD (from my son's cancer journey) and three years later I go into a trauma support group and find myself crying in front of a new T. I haven't cried in front of my T in a long while. I must still be hurting, right? I must still need healing, right? When is too much too much. My next session I asked my T if three years was a long time and she nodded yes. I'm feeling like a failure. I'm also going through depression again right now (and a med change). My T did say the part of my PTSD that is still causing me pain is the loneliness and lack of support and unmet needs....that it is a repeat of unmet needs from my childhood and in current life, unmet needs in my marriage....that it is like causing repeated traumatization. The more my husband travels, the more alone I am, the more depressed I get, a drift back into my childhood....

ETA: I want to cut back on therapy (I'm going weekly or every other), kind of for cost reasons alone, but also for the guilt of going for so long....but oh my God, I can't live without her....right now I'm in a three week gap, by choice, cuz my kids are in half days and conferences and fall break from school....and I lay in bed just thinking about her face, our conversations, her voice, her mannerisms, her office, her hugs....

Anyway, thanks for reading.
Ninn
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Oh Ninn, I've been going for 6 years now so if you are a failure, I'm a mega failure. Maybe it just takes the brain a long time to change?

It's cool, though, that your T was able to help you identify what might be causing you to relaspe into a depression and keep the cycle of unmet needs firmly in place. But is the answer to cut back on therapy?
Hi Ninn...even tho we haven't met yet, I would like to say welcome back!

When I first started with my trauma therapist, I remember asking her in the beginning how long this work was going to take. Not having a clue what was involved and how hard it was going to be, I naively thought I could extricate some hard and fast dates from her. Her response was it's going to take as long as it's going to take. Huh? Confused My feeling at the time was discouragement. I'm a very detail oriented type of gal and I wanna know dates, dammit!

I also remember her saying people with different types of trauma must work at his or her own pace. To restrict yourself to a timeline will only add to your level of anxiety. Working through such complex, not to mention EXTREMELY painful feelings and reactions, will be slow...and as well it should. It probably took you many years to build the internal defence / protective system you have in place today. So, it only makes sense it'll take you quite a while to decipher what it all means and learn new ways of dealing with things.

In my opinion, this type of work should not be made into a contest or a comparison with others. Anyone who tries to make you feel bad about the amount of courageous work you've already done does not have a true understanding of what it's really all about. To those who disagree, I'd say go fluffle up a gum tree!! (And, no, I don't know exactly how one fluffles but I would like to think it would hurt just a wee bit!! )

Give yourself a pat on the back cuz you deserve it. This work is NOT for sissies!!!

The Kid
Thanks for the replies!

Liese, I know my T has talked about the need for the brain to change. You're right. Takes time. And, I wasn't trying to imply a person in therapy for years = failure, just that it was my feeling at the time for myself.

Turtle, thank you. I will try to stick around. I know I get triggered a lot; I just have to be careful.

SP, Thanks for sharing, it was nice to read a similar story, although I'm sorry you have to live with that image too. ugh. Nice to meet you, too.

The Kid, You made me smile, I need dates too! I was thinking about this trauma therapist, like why would asking me how long I saw my T help her in any way in knowing where I'm at in my therapy. I actually had to explain why I was in for over three years, too. Stating that after EMDR for current PTSD, painful family stuff came up, then marriage stuff (even went through a separation), then childhood stuff, etc. Anyway, you're right, in that I should have some pride in the work I have done and maybe the work I still need to do.


Ninn
((((Ninn)))) i remember you, and i heartily welcome you back! Smiler
i have been seeing my T for nearly 3 years, that's with a 7 month break, and due to financial reasons i've gradually cut back from weekly to every other week to monthly, to 7 month break, back to every two weeks. i'd be glad if that can last for any length of time, but i'm starting to run a little scared.

anyway, after getting through the initial reasons for going for counselling (bad marriage which ended in divorce), at about 6 months i did not want to leave therapy, so we started on some other stuff, namely depression and anxiety. at that time he told me if i was going weekly i could expect at least a year and a half, but since i was going every other week it could be 3 years, but since i was a "quick study" i could wrap it up in 2 years. well, i'm almost at the three year mark, and it seems like i'm just starting to get to the point of actually trusting him. just now! i've always felt like he was trustworthy, but within myself i could not believe that he was trustworthy. i know that makes sense to some others out there. so, i'm about to end year 3. so, i'm right there with you.

i think the therapist with the furrowed brow has some learning to do, and some compassion to learn! and, yes, i think you're still hurting, which makes her response even more unacceptable. but, being in her presence did make you cry, so maybe there's something there. and you know what? maybe 3 years is a long time for the average client, but maybe some clients have deeper issues and thus need more time. it sounds like your T understands what is going on, that's important.

you'll be ready when you're ready. (((Ninn)))
I'm almost at the 3 year mark too. A few months ago I asked my T if she was sick of me/thought I was taking forever. I mentioned that I'd been going for more than 2.5 years. She looked at me and said, "two years is nothing." She said her longest client had been going on and off for 18 years. So really, three years is nothing. But I can relate to feeling like you're taking too long. I have only recently started really trusting her...and it's still very much a work in progress on that front. One step forward, two steps back. Therapy is so personal and individual. No one can tell you how long is too long for you. Especially not someone who hardly knows you! I'm sorry you experienced that from another T. Good luck in your journey!
Hey Ninn, I remember you well and can't believe it has been so long.

It has been over 2 years with my wonderful T after being terminated by the previous one. Two years is NOTHING, three years is NOTHING. My T never puts a time limit on my recovery but her and I talk about long term - years and years to come.

We have enough pressure on us in our own heads without anyone outside of us putting unfair limits and opinions on us.

As my T says - it will take as long as it takes and I am there with you for the long haul.

Somedays.
Hi Ninn... nice to see you here again. I would not focus on the time it takes as long as you are moving along on your journey. My T says it takes 3 years to get to know each other. I spent 2.5 years in therapy with oldT and now I'm at 3 years with this T. So, that is 5.5 years of therapy and I'm just scratching the surface. It takes as long as it takes.

I hope you find support and comfort here with us.

Best
TN
Just had my three-year anniversary myself. T has always been of the mind that I need what I need, it takes what it takes, and pushing myself to be different is not helpful and in fact just what I've always had to do to make it. I don't have to do that with him (although I still freak out and try). I'm still going twice a week and struggling with that after three years. FWIW, my T has mentioned his "longest term" clients, and they aren't me. He has some clients who are really in it for the long-haul with him, though perhaps at less intensity than I'm doing. I think it really just depends on the type of work the T is used to doing with clients whether they will have a few or very many clients of that duration. It means more about the T and how s/he works, I would think, than it means about their clients.
((Ninn)) Sorry to be so late to this, but wanted to tell you that I have been in therapy, on and off (although more on than off) for over 27 years. To me, three years is isn't even enough time to really draw in a good breath. Smiler

I think the new trend towards using pharmaceuticals (NOTE: no problems with mediction, ADs have been a life saver for me, just don't think they're a fix-all) and fast fix therapy, and the fact that many schools are focusing on that is producing a new generation of Ts who see long term therapy as somehow wrong. I think people with very deep emotional trauma (especially if it was long term in childhood) take a long time to heal as well as needing support to live their lives in a full and healthy way.

AG

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