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Is it possible to actually process a trigger and find peace with it to the point where you have no reaction to it down the line?

I ask because I had a tough session with T today where I told him I ran into his wife in the parking lot and how badly that triggered me into the black hole of intense self hatred and disgust which came on top of getting the MRI results which upset me terribly by just confirming how damaged I am both inside and out. He told me that I could either fire him as my T or work with him to process the trigger. I just don't believe that is possible.

he asked me how it felt to see her and I said it felt like annihilation, like death. He asked me if she said anything to me or me to her and I said NO. He asked me to consider that she is not dangerous. That is totally impossible. He asked me why I thought she was such a trigger. We both have a few thoughts on this but there is nothing concrete.

He had told me that she did not work on Monday and I felt blindsided. I also told him that he did not protect me and left me vulnerable outside his office. He told me his office is safe but yeah... I still have to GET to his office somehow. He said he was sorry I was so upset and so devastated and I do know he was sincere. He said a lot of other stuff too but he asked me what the "core" feeling was underneath my reaction because he said my reaction is out of proportion to the "trigger". I said fear. Terrible fear. He said no... that is not the core although it's there. He told me it was my sense of worthlessness. I said oh that goes without saying, duh.

He then went on to say some nice stuff about me which I totally discount. He also talked about how I was pushing him away and rejecting our attachment. I told him I did not want to be attached to him because it will only bring disaster.

This is almost an instant replay of what happened with oldT. How his wife worked in his office and how badly she treated me and then they both violated my confidentiality a number of times. How condescending she was towards me. And how hard I worked to get past that. In the end I was abandoned, and so was my son. I was traumatized and the pain was horrific. When I looked for a new T I looked for one whose wife was not in the office and was not a T. This T did not have a wife in the office until about a year ago. She is not a T but a nutritionist. She recently got her MS and he gave her an office in his suite right next to his office door. She is basically on the other side of the wall. When I found out by seeing a brochure in his office I totally freaked out and we had a HUGE disruption over it. She was using her maiden name and I faulted him for hiding this fact from me when he knew what happened with oldT and his wife.

So he suggested that the oldT experience was part of the trigger and also the fact that my father stood by while my mom abused me over many years. And so yeah maybe this is the underlying issue but I still don't believe that he can make this all just "go away" and the trigger will disappear. He said he also felt that I was afraid OUR relationship would somehow change because of her being there. He said she would treat me nicely because I am important to HIM. Right Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So, I was just wondering if any of you can either relate to this or am I just insane... or if you can talk about processing a trigger and just having it disappear poof... and never bother you or trigger you again?

Right now I'm feeling very hopeless and I just don't believe.

Thanks
TN
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And so yeah maybe this is the underlying issue but I still don't believe that he can make this all just "go away" and the trigger will disappear.


I don't think any T has the ability to "make a trigger go away" but would it be enough to hope that if you work on it together, it can gradually become more manageable?
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Is it possible to actually process a trigger and find peace with it to the point where you have no reaction to it down the line?


I believe it is at least on simple triggers that are more related to cognitive behavioral reactions. I used to get so agitated when I heard the sound of coins or keys being jingled in someone's hands or pocket or whatever. I mean I would go through the roof with anxiety and feel very angry and just so ridiculously upset about it that I would have to leave stores or places etc just to get some relief. Over the years this has gone away for me. I no longer even notice it anymore. But I am not sure that was from processing so much as just time dissipated it.

But what you speak of here seems more rooted in emotional trauma and intense pain. It seems related to how you may have been devalued or how you were measured to have worth etc. I think that what you speak of here goes beyond a trigger to a much deeper wound.
Hey TN,

I think there may be quite a few examples in your own experience of working on a trigger until you have a different relationship to it. I'm thinking of T's office furniture, for example - not sure how you feel about it now, but at one time it was incredibly upsetting for you, but I haven't seen you write of it for a while - I'm guessing it feels better now? What about your lamp gift for T - does it feel okay to look at it now? Or T's face, his office - at one time it was deeply triggering for you to even see or acknowledge these.

I'm pointing to your own experience because this will give you a more intimate understanding of how this works and what it feels like. In my own experience sometimes the trigger disappears entirely, others I just reach a more comfortable relationship with it. I used to feel like vomiting when I smelled a particular perfume - now, a few years after letting go of some of the associated pain, I'm not sure I'd even recognise it.
((((TN))))

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or if you can talk about processing a trigger and just having it disappear poof... and never bother you or trigger you again?


I went on a consult this week to a trauma therapist. She told me they never go away (well, the parts of us that get triggered) but it's just that it becomes more manageable and they are not driving the bus anymore. That's just her point of view.

You have been triggered now for a few weeks and an encounter with any trigger is going to cause your nervous system to freak out that much more.

I have a hard time sometimes too keeping the faith but what is the alternative? You have your way of interpreting events (like seeing T's wife and the distress it causes) and he has his way of interpreting events (she's not a threat). What has to happen is that these two merge and become a third way of looking at things.


(((((TN)))))

You are lovely and everyone here loves you. I know it's hard to believe but your T cares for you, loves you and wants the best for you. Hang onto those thoughts, that you have value and worth and whatever happens, we will be here to help you through.

Hi all and thanks.

BLT... your suggestion is similar to what Liese's consult T said. That the trigger will not disappear but that we have to learn to manage it. Thank you for responding and offering something to think about.

hi turtle.... I'm sorry you had so suffer through so many triggers and glad to know that a lot of them have disipated through the years. But I do think you have zeroed in on something... this is not just a simple trigger but intense pain rooted in traumatic emotional memories that have resulted in some deep wounds that I am feeling hopeless about ever healing. I'm not sure how my worth was ever measured, if anyone even ever noticed I had worth. In my own family I was never good enough, right enough or did enough. And a lot of the judgements about me were based on physical looks that I could never seem to measure up to.

Jones... I see what you mean in changing you relationship to the trigger. In my case with T's leather chairs... I don't think that was ever resolved but I now throw a blanket over the chair and sit there pretending it's still the old chair. It is not resolved but I have learned to make myself numb to the chair. I still don't like his office. It does not trigger me... it's more that I find no comfort or ease in being there in those cold, impersonal surroundings. The light is okay again after T emailed me a new definition of the word manipulation. So what I have tried to do in the past year is to pretend that the wife was not there. To numb myself to it and to run into his office as fast as possible through the reception area, heart in mouth, that I may see her there. It's really hard to ignore her presence as her cards, brochures and newsletters are scattered all around the reception area and are the first things you see as you walk into the suite. So I don't know if this is how to process a trigger to learn to manage it or just trying to ignore or deny it.

Hi draggers... not sure how this exposure therapy is working. I look at her picture all the time trying to get used to it and to figure out why she terrifies me and manages to make me feel so distressed and awful about myself. I know part of this is rooted in the past and the recent past with oldT, but there are still some real life here and now stuff about her that makes me feel SO insignificant and like I should cease to exist. thank you for the nice things you said about being proud of me. And thank you for understanding the whole PTSD reaction and why I feel so desperate to avoid seeing her at all.

Hi Liese... you are right, I have been very triggery lately with all that is going on and I am exhausted with no emotional reserves. It is interesting what that T said about triggers not going away but learning to manage them. This one is SO deely ingrained that I can't imagine it going away and his words don't help me because I don't hear or feel them. They don't make a difference. Thank you for the lovely things you said about me. They may be had to take in but I do know that I can come here for support.

I'm trying (I think) to keep the faith and I guess we will need to find that third way to look at this. I don't think this will be settled anytime soon and need to figure out how to survive until that time. Right now my T feels like the enemy again and I'm just waiting for him to hurt me beyond repair.

TN
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So I don't know if this is how to process a trigger to learn to manage it or just trying to ignore or deny it.


I am no expert but I have heard many T's say that avoidance is needed to maintain PTSD. Avoidance I think can be both behavioral (avoiding contact with a triggering situation) and mental/emotional (denial, numbing out). In this post you have given some examples of both types of avoidance on your part. And I understand it because triggers feel horrible and there's such a thing as overloading yourself by overdoing exposure. Still, maybe it's not a bad idea to consider whether avoiding less might help you feel better in the long run? Like remember when you never wanted to look at your T's face and he kept making you do it anyway? So I'm not sure how to wade through all those feelings of worthlessness you have, but I do believe with support and patience it can be done.

One more thing that crossed my mind while reading this...you are so scared of T's wife but honestly, something tells me you could take her out in a fight. Think of how much power you are GIVING her! She's just a lousy nutritionist, not the Evil Queen Ruler of the Universe! You have worth, as everyone on this forum knows, and you deserve to feel you could stand up to her if she ever tried to pull anything on you.
(((TN)))

Sometimes I've had to plough ahead dragging those fears along with me kicking and screaming. It sure does screw up my sense of stability and safety in the universe but I try to have faith that it will all feel comfortable at some point.

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In my own family I was never good enough, right enough or did enough. And a lot of the judgements about me were based on physical looks that I could never seem to measure up to.


I can totally relate to that. I had the body no one wanted. My mother would tell me that I had my father's sister's body - and it was clear that wasn't a compliment. It was clear that she would not let me identify with her body - which, is the same shape as mine - just a bit smaller. Confused

My mother also had a poor self-image so I know that she couldn't reflect a positive self-image. It was as if my body was there but completely detached from me because it was SO shameful.

Yes it's true that the Brad Pitts of the world will never be attracted to me even though I might be attracted to them. That made me angry for a long time. It's also true that people make snap judgments about others based on their physical appearance. Even me. Sad but true.

But I have what I have. I can't let other people decide whether or not I am going to be successful at life just because they don't like the way I look. I can use the snap-judgment knowledge as a way to protect myself when it happens to me but NOT let it defeat me. Afterall, I know what's inside. And I know what's inside you. You ARE a powerhouse.
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She's just a lousy nutritionist, not the Evil Queen Ruler of the Universe!



Oh BLT that is priceless and you really gave me a much needed laugh I guess that really lends a perspective to the whole matter. Right now I'm definitely in avoidance mode. I do agree that I could not look at T in the beginning and gradually the fear that he was not oldT lessened and he became MY T after months of sitting together with him and sharing and having him be supportive and consistent and hearing me talk about oldT. That scenario is not possible with the wife. So exposure therapy would mainly consist of maybe bumping into her now and then and knowing she is somewhere around but never knowing what to expect when I arrive and not knowing anything about the kind of person she really is or what she is capable of. I can hardly sit down with her and interview her about who she is. Sigh... I think the big part of this all is that the worthlessness comes from deep childhood wounds and there is a real grief that these cannot be healed and I will never be who I should have been and I have missed SO much because I have been damaged and am unable to take in who I am or how others see me. It is that implicit learning versus explicit learning issue. I should have learned and taken in who I am from positive parent mirroring. But I never had that. Trying to learn this and understand this as an adult is very difficult.

Hi Liese... it's so interesting that my mom would say the same thing to me... that I looked like my Dad's sisters. They were all rather curvy and on the larger side than mom was. My Dad also has these older very obese aunts who could barely walk and my mom would scream at me that I was going to look just like them. It absolutely terrified me because they never went out and seemed to be so unhappy. I didn't understand because I was so young but I realized my mother saw me like that. My mom was trim and small. I'm sorry you had that issue as well and that it was hurtful to you. It is a terrible thing to put young girls through.

I'm glad that you are beginning to feel empowered. Good for you! And thank you for saying I'm a powerhouse. My T tells me I'm powerful too but again.... hard to take in.

Thank you all
TN
Hi TN,

I've been a lurker on and off on this fourum for years, but I hardly ever post. I just wanted to come out of the shadows today. I was driving home from a very difficult appointment with my T, whe you and some of your recent posts came to mind. You really are a powerhouse, and I wish I had a fraction of the courage that you do. You've had a lot of conflict with your T, but you always seem to go to him and talk it through, and I can tell that it's helping you grow. I'm trying to do that more, but it's hard work. I really admire you, your willingness to be vulnerable, both with your T and on this forum, and your courage. You're an inspiration!

Saka

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