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I feel like I am posting a lot here this last week, and I hope no one minds… I'm trying to not pre-emptively apoligize for things all the time, but I so want to apolize for yet another post. This is going to be a long post too. I think I will try to come back and make it shorter later. It is ok if no one reads it, I think I need to get this out somewhere and not just stuck in my head or just in my journal on my computer.

I got triggered by my housemate on Sunday night. He did nothing seriously wrong. He has no idea I have PTSD or anything like that. He hasn't seen me when I've been struggling. But now, it is affecting my relationship, and I am triggered again today. I am so frustrated with myself about it and I don’t know what to do. I really think I should know, this is not that bad, but I am stuck.

I moved into a house with two housemates in July. Well, I used to have two housemates, and hopefully will have two housemates again soon. I only have one right now, and he owns the house. Great guy, pretty kind. It has been relatively easy living with him. My room is downstairs and his is upstairs. I’ll call him Andrew here.

This past October and November, stuff in my life got really bad. Despite everything, both of my housemates at the time knew some of what happened. What did happen is something I am being very intentionally vague here about for simple privacy reasons. It did mean I had to be away from the house and out of town for about 6 weeks. My housemates offered to take care of my cat while I was gone. They knew of what happened, why I was away, but they were not involved directly at all and said that I seemed to be handled it all pretty ok. The only thing they were directly involved with was taking care of my cat.

The other housemate that was renting a room in the house isn't here anymore. For the past month, it has just been the other housemate, Andrew, and I. Things have been going well. Even Andrew says this.

On Sunday, I got triggered by something Andrew did. I invited a friend over for dinner, trying to keep myself from self isolating. My friend and I bought food and brought it to where I live. Andrew was home and I introduced my friend, and Andrew was his normal friendly self. As soon as my friend went down the hall to use the bathroom, Andrew asked a couple of questions about a logistics/accounting matter with rent. I answered them, and noticed my hands got shakey. Andrew was being kind, everything was fine, but my hands were shakey. I told him that it wasn’t a great time to talk about it, and asked if I could get back to him later about it. He kept asking and talking about it and I got nervous. I again asked to talk later, and told him that I was more nervous than needed, and my friend and I were about to make dinner and just hang out. I was more firm, and said I would talk to him later about it. My friend came out of the bathroom then, and Andrew kept talking and asking me. He wasn’t aggressive in any way or anything, he just still wanted to talk about it. He was pushing on the boundary I was trying to have. The fact that he meant well, and was almost rescuing in nature about what he was talking about, only led to me being more triggered.

I started to go numb. I said to Andrew and my friend, if he couldn’t not talk about it then, I needed to leave, and sort of paced for half a second, and then went downstairs to get my keys. My friend has known me for years, and seen me in a much more triggered place. She stood upstairs, and told Andrew that really, now wasn’t the time to talk, and he should just let me leave. She came downstairs, as I went even more numb. I sat on the floor of my bedroom, feeling humilated and yet getting more and more numb. She asked what she could do and if she should stay or go. She offered to drive me anywhere. I wanted to tell her to leave, and yet knew that it was ok to trust her a little and maybe better for me if I accepted a little help, and just simple presence at that moment. I also knew I was getting numb enough that I was getting spacey, and I couldn’t find my keys to drive myself, and it was too late to just take off. We quickly agreed to leave and go get dinner out. (That made me feel better in a lot of ways).

I wanted to stay, and yet, I knew I just needed to leave. I was too triggered. Plus, when I picked up my phone to leave, I got an email from Andrew, that I think he sent earlier, about the very same matter.

Andrew seemed stunned as I came back upstairs to get my jacket, put the food in the fridge, and got my things to leave. He tried to talk then, I think he wanted to reassure me, make everything ok, and handle the logistical/accounting matter too. I was frank. I don’t know if I was rude or not. I wasn’t overly polite though, that is for sure. I told him I wasn’t ok with telling him now that was not the time for me to talk, and him pressuring me to talk, and I felt like that I tried to have a boundary that I needed, and he was pushing it. I told him that I felt like the only way to not have to talk about it right then and there, was to leave. I told him I was disappointed that my friend and I couldn’t just have a nice dinner. Just as I walked out the door, the front porch light was out. I tried to turn it on, only to discover the lightblub was partially unscrewed and loose. (I have no idea why.) I stepped back in, and told Andrew, sitting on the couch, that it was unscrewed and that wasn’t ok, made me concerned for safety, and I angrily added that he needed to “fix some things around here for once.” Then I abruptly left. I was rude then.

Andrew has been weird all week. We haven’t really talked. Often we will go for days without crossing paths, and we haven’t seen each other except for pretty quickly in person. I told my T about it on Tuesday, and we only got as part as to figure out why I got so triggered on Sunday, even before I told him I couldn’t talk, and it links to past trauma. On Wednesday, I emailed Andrew twice. My first email wasn’t rude, but also didn’t mince words. I initially emailed to resolve the logistical and accounting matter. I then later emailed again and said that I would appreciate it if I told him that I didn’t want to talk about a certain subject in the middle of dinner with a friend, I needed him to respect that. He emailed back while he was at work. He wrote it like I guess he might be towards an employee. Andrew wrote “your behavior was unacceptable” and “stomping your feet and being non-communicative is not ok.” My friend says I didn’t stomp my feet… eh, it doesn’t matter so much… He was also extremely defensive about the not-fixing things part. I feel ike I can handle responding to him about that and address it ok.

But the “non-communicative” part? I did initially communicate, and then left in order to not communicate further at the time. And I’m triggered all over again by him saying that it wasn’t ok to be “non-communicative.” He even added that he has seen a lot of things in his life traveling the world and working for his company in developing countries, and that my actions were not ok. I don’t really even understand how that even fits.

Andrew wants to talk tonight. I don’t see my T until next week. I might be able to get in to see her tomorrow… but dang… I don’t want to use more therapy time on this... Yet I’m so triggered that my hands are shaking again just writing about this, so whenever I see her again, I will be talking to her about it. The hardest thing is that my PTSD is affecting a friendship – and not just any, but the friendship with the guy who also is my landlord. If I had not been triggered, I would have talked with him about the subject he brought up on Sunday. Or I probably would have been able to hold the boundary without leaving. My hands wouldn’t be shaking now.

I welcome any thoughts anyone has. Thanks for letting me post this. And if anyone actually manged to read this really long post, thank you and I’m so sorry it is so long.

I really don't want my being triggered to affect how I handle this... ugh...

~ jane
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I'd write him a letter and ask him to read it when you see him tonight to "talk". It might make him more understanding if he knew about your PTSD and what exactly he did to trigger you. I don't know if you're willing to share that with him or not.

Even if you're not willing to share that, you could focus on healthy boundaries and respecting each others boundaries. No means no. Not now means not now. Stop means stop. Those are absolutes and you shouldn't have to leave your own home if he's the one not respecting the boundary you put down. He needs to see that there was a boundary and he stomped his feet all over it.

Virtual Hugs From Far Away...
Jane,
I feel like you did the right thing. He should have respected that you were not able to talk about the matter at that time...and besides you do pay rent and you were trying to enjoy time with a friend. It seems like he just can't accept boundaries. I can't find anything wrong with what you did...I would have had to do the same thing and yet you shouldn't have had to to calm down but it was the only way "for sure". I seriously don't understand how his traveling the world has anything to do with his not respecting your boundaries...I really don't. I hope he can see where he was wrong and vow to work on that...his behavior would make it hard for others to deal with him. I don't think this was about you but unfortunately you were triggered. I hope the follow up conversation will go well. Try to use whatever you know...and walk away again if you have to...take care of yourself.

Hopeful
I don't know what to say, except that I've run into very similar situations between me and DH. He has such a hard time understanding that when I say "I can't deal with this right now, I need space," it doesn't mean, "I'm rejecting or blowing you off" but "if I don't get alone right now I will literally scream bloody murder and terrify the neighbors." I think slowly he is learning but it is hard. I don't know what you should do about your roommate but you have my understanding with it.
Tighrope, hopeful, Alpaca - I'm so sorry I haven't responded sooner. It all got worse and I've kind of just been hanging on, but I have been reading and I really appreciate your feedback and validation.

yikes. this situation is now a mess.

UPDATE:

thanks yaku.

My landlord called my T.

Andrew has been a great person to deal with until the past two weeks… and this past weekend, I was so badly triggered again, I decided I’m moving out. I think Andrew deceided it too.

I’m frantically looking for a new place to live into – it is hard in my area. But it is in process… Andrew has been really weird and I keep being triggered by him all this week. Now, he is invading (or trying to invade) my therapy.

My T came to the house with me after my housemate died, Andrew knows who she is and that she is my T and that I'm in therapy... It was ok-ish for the time. I mean it was a serious crisis for us all and my T kept good boundaries and tried to help in ways I said was ok, and was so glad for. So it was appropriate. I was leary Andrew would be weird finding out I was in therapy, but he seemed really comforted by what my T even breifly said to him and etc. It was ok at the time and afterwards, he didn’t do or say anything weird about me being in therapy. He was his normal self – until about Janurary 5th. Then things got weird in the way he was treating me, and rather suddenly. And this past weekend, it was clear I needed to move out, and ASAP.
The point of my post though is that now Andrew has called my T. He actually called my T. And not for therapy.

Andrew has suddenly become very bossy and one-sided in communication. Like he only wants to communicate to me, and doesn’t seem to actually want any communication back, or doesn’t listen or read any communication back. Boundaries of any kind seem to mean nothing to him. They offend him. He expects me to communicate at his timing. I don’t even know about what, because he doesn’t read or listen to anything I communicate to him.

Andrew has been texting and calling and emailing me a lot. When I responded last week, he complained my responses are too long and he will not read them. So I told him then I would not email or text or talk to him on the phone. I followed through on it and I stopped responding. He didn’t stop texting calling and emailing. I was at a rental office on Tuesday, and he emailed, called, and texted me a total of 9 times in a 5 minute period. He wanted to discuss logistics of moving out. I got really horribly triggered. I went numb, dissociative, while at the rental office. I had to leave the rental office in the middle of completing an application.

Once I re-grounded, I texted him back and told him to please stop emailing, calling, or texting me for the next 5 days and we would touch basis in 7 days. I told him I was changing my email and phone number and would give him the new number in 7 days. I told him I was really busy with a lot of things and needed to work on finding a place to live and I don’t have time to respond to his texts emails and phone calls for the next 5 days but will get back to him in 7 days.

He responded "ok, great!" That was on Tuesday.

Today at my session with my T, she told me that he called my T on Tuesday, just after he called me. He wanted to talk to her about the logistics of me moving out. My T said he sounded “very reasonable in content” on the voicemail message to her… My T also thought it was a bad idea for her to talk to him ”for” me or even “with” me. She didn’t want to be my voice for me. I didn’t want that either. She didn’t even know how he had her number, and he even texted her. She didn't want it to affect my relationship with her and she was really leary that she would have to work to hold boundaries with him if she called him. I felt really invaded by him contacting her at all. Shiesh. My T drafted a quick very brief email to him while I was there, she showed it to me before she sent it just to make sure what she said was ok with me. It was, I wasn’t too concerned what she would say to him. She very simply and clearly stated that she was not authorized to speak to him about any of her clients. I was the one who gave her his email address, and there is no doubt that I’m the client she is responding to him about, but I liked that she didn’t even acknowledge that. Thank you T for having good boundaries.

I am mad at Andrew.

When I have tried twice to talk to him in person, Andrew cuts me off in 3 words. Litterally. I can’t say even hey, I need to talk to you about.” I can’t even say that before he starts talking very defensively about the, um, stuff left behind from the housemate who died, and the continued lack of trash service…. (I paid my part but he forgot to pay the bill and it will be a week before they bring the cans back. He paid all the fees and to get the service back, he was just lazy and mismanged the money. This is another reason why I’m moving out. He;s not just a jerk to me, he is now not even taking care of anything.) Anyhow, I even tried to say that isn’t what I needed to talk about – but I only got as far as “that isn’t what” and he cut me off again, defensively responding to “that isn’t what”. He didn’t even have a clue what I was going to say. So I said, “I am not interested in a one sided conversation. I’m busy and have some work I need to get done. I need to go to my room.” He talked over me as I said that. I don’t know if he heard a word. I went to my room and then left the house.

In person, every time I see him in passing (which I keep to a minimum), he is very one sided. VERY. He even orders me to do stuff. No please or anything. It usually happens when I walk in the door. I always respond with something like, “oh, hi to you too. I can’t do that. I’m too busy right now.” I’m not going to be bossed around just because I live there. (Yes, I’m moving out ASAP and I’m frantically looking for a place.) He just started this trying to boss me around thing in the past week.

He is being ***VERY*** different from how I have known him to ever be in the past. I really think he isn’t ok himself, but I can’t change him or help him. I feel like the target, and he doesn’t hear anything I say. I can only hold boundaries. I feel bad for him, and I know he’s probably really struggling to deal with our housemate’s passing. I am too. That is part of why I can’t be the one to help. I want to…

At the same time, I'm terribly mad HE CALLED MY T. I am extremely tempted to leave a letter stating this:
“Andrew,
It would be great if you could provide me the name and phone number of your therapist so I can talk with them about the logistics of me moving out.
Thanks, Jane”

I have no idea if he is in therapy or not. I doubt it, but I don’t really know. I am so mad he called my T. I am mad we had to spend therapy time on handling him calling her. Not even just that he is totally being a jerk, but that he even called her. I don’t want to even really talk to his T, if he did have one, but I would for sure be open to it, and telling his T he isn’t ok. But that all feels so messed up. And, frankly, I don’t think he has a T or would ever tell me.

I do want him to treat me politely, bussiness like, if he has anything to communicate. I don’t want this. I don’t find it at all ok that he called my T. I’m moving out as soon as I can…

I don’t know what to do or if I am being really unreasonable. I’m so mad I spent a therapy session on him at all, let alone on him calling her! I had other things to talk about…

Yes I have PTSD, yes I am therapy, but crap - if someone in my life finds out... it isn't grounds to then call my T about anything and everything! This is why I tell almost no one I'm in therapy.

Am I overreacting to him calling my T? Seriously, am I? Maybe I am. Maybe I just need to chill about it.

jane


I am so sorry you have to deal with all of this. I lived with an awful roommate once and I know how it can be constant stress and dread. Personally I think it's really weird that he would have called your T without your permission. I agree that the best thing to do is get out of there ASAP and figure it all out later. In the mean time one option you might have is to agree to talk with a neutral third party serving as a mediator, if you can both agree on someone.

I hope you find a new place soon and no I don't think you are being unreasonable. You want people to respect you, plain and simple.
Nope Jane, not overreacting. He was WAY out of line calling your T. Hell, I be pissed if my husband did that without me knowing and it's his T too! It's just really overstepping your boundaries. Sorry you're having to deal with this on top of everything else, but I am so glad that your T was very up front with you and kept you very informed about how things would be handled. Her holding those clear boundaries with Andrew means that your relationship with her will stay intact.

AG
Alpaca ~ thanks. Ya know, there is an office in town with the city government that mediates lanlord tenant things and I think I'm going to go there tomorrow ASAP and get their help.

Ag ~ thanks, it helps to feel like I'm not the only one who would be mad about this. I am increasingly grateful my T held the boundaries.


ugh. just as I was tying this, I got an email. Andrew copied me on an email to my T. It was addressed to my T.

"G'day (my T's first name only)

Thank you for update, next steps from landlord tenant perspective :

"1.) Signed lease with final termination date... "
"2.) return of security deposit:..."
"3)...
Thank you and Regards
Andrew"

w. t. f. My T is not my secretary. I have no idea what he wants from her. He just like passes on all this info. He doesn't ask her to pass it on to me.

ugh. I'm so glad for my T's boundaries. I'm so glad I'm moving. I'm so horribly triggered and numbed out. I'm supposed to meet up at a new possible place to rent in a few minutes. I didn't need this! I'm going to go change my email account when I get done.

jane
Andrew's an asshole. What your doing is logical. Move out, nicer place, better people, deal with the business and finito. No more Andrew. I'm glad your taking those steps Smiler

When I read stuff like this it triggers me massively. NO ONE has a right to impede upon anyone else's parade like that. Period.

Your fine to be pissed off. I certainly would be.

I hope you find a good new place soon Jane
Hey JD

I said the other day and after reading this I repeat it - I think Andrew is having serious PTSD or after effects or a mental breakdown after the incident that happened.

I actually think that in some bizarre way - he is desperately asking for help from your T for his own issues but can't bring himself to ask directly. I think your T should recommend a few names to him and see if that helps Andrew.

As far as his behaviour etc goes - too much has happened JD - just get out of there. Bad memories, bad stuff, Andrew is going to take a long time to recover from the sounds of it. He isn't doing much because I think he is incapable of logical thought at the moment - apart from trying to control you and what is needed for you to move out or 'follow procedure'.

Your T needs to stay out of it - but still advocate and protect you - the sooner she can get Andrew to get some help from someone else the better.

I would feel violated from what he has done but I honestly don't think that any confrontation is going to help, I dont think any rational discussion with him is going to help - I think he is in a lot of pain and too much has happened. The sooner you can get out and start rebuilding your own life in a clear envionment - the better for you.

SD

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