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Okay - I am experiencing such weird mind ripples.

I now wonder if I am unconsciously trying to replay an old trauma. SweetP has been put in the role of the father who misuses his power and abuses me sexually and I am playing out the sweet and hurt child, and want his care and kindness, emotions which make him vulnerable and open up to me, and then I again totally unconsciously, bring him in to my old trauma vortex and he starts to want to be close and inappropriately intimate with me, which is when my old patterns now feel soothed and feel relief, we are back in familiar territory. But I don't want him to abuse me, I just want the care and attention and kindness. Dangerously thin ice.

Ye gods, there must be a name for this. (Transference? Vortex of old mind patterns?)

I am suspicious of me. I have been for a while. The strength of the pull to have him feel intimate/close/caring to me, (so far in the sense that I tell him traumatic difficult things and he feels such care for me) feels like a vortex of unconscious replaying, an unseen addiction to a very old pattern indeed. That is why NF's words have so hit home and hurt and puzzled and preoccupied me. I fear that she is right.

How far will I go to ensure this plays out? So far I have incriminated my father and grandfather and would probably even incriminate my mother too. Saying they have been abusive to me, gets me the deep care that then pulls in sweetP - pulls him right in. I feel vulnerable and innocent, which is what the original traumas were like for me.

god, this is utterly scary.

Could this be true?

If so I am utterly unconsciously playing a very dangerous mind game indeed.

Can he stop it, spot it, shed light on it or is he going to be pulled in too?

I have to tell him, warn him. I will not let it go that way again.

It would mean that NF was right, that all I am after is getting the main protagonist in my drama, to feel intense intimate care for me, whilst I feel vulnerable and young and child like and they profess deep care and kindness and try all they can to make me feel safe and loved but actually the dynamic is such that they (NF/sweetP) have to reject me/abuse me/ abandon me for the full old dynamic to be played out in full. Is this trauma bonding?

NF played this drama out to it's full but she and I were utterly unaware as the whole game unfolded: we were both fooled.

I am not sure sweetP will spot this on his own, if it is indeed true. He is too sweet, too nice, too willing to believe my seemingly tragic hurts.

Mind spins. Murky. Reality unknown. How can I live with this constantly shifting reality? My only way forward is to tell him this and see what he thinks and we both bear it in mind as a possibility along with all the other possibilities.

And I could be wrong. But something is fishy here.

AS Mark Twain said, a person cannot depend on the eyes when imagination is out of focus.

I am definitely responding to sweetP as a figure from my past and through the limbic transmission of these neural 'attractors' influences, we can lure others into our emotional virtuality, one mind revising another and vice versa, one heart changing the other. Here, we have to hope that his stability can change/effect me when my old patterns are strongly trying to change him. But that requires stable caring, kindness, love and insight from his side. Can he do that? And keep steady? Or will he fall into the vortex?

BELOW
from: http://jppr.psychiatryonline.o...content/full/7/3/227

As the patient becomes aware that a pattern of dysfunction is evident, the therapist can suggest that it might be useful to try to understand this. Using as a framework the categories of reenactments that have just been discussed, the therapist can explore which of them could be playing a role in a particular patient's reenactment. It will generally be more helpful to intimate that a pattern of destructive interaction appears to be occurring and to then explore how this takes place than to suggest that the patient is reenacting a trauma. Furthermore, even if the reenactment is due to a more active process, the patient is not truly reenacting a past trauma, but rather a traumatic relationship. Consequently, in such cases it will be more productive to suggest this latter process, which is closer to the patient's subjective experience.
Once both the patient and the therapist understand what the patient is doing that contributes to the reenactment, the next task is to explore why the patient feels and acts in such ways. Inevitably, this will lead back historically to the traumatization that triggered and continues to cause the resulting feelings and behavior. Considerable time must be devoted to discovering how life was experienced for the patient as a child, because it must be ascertained how it influenced the individual, how the patient learned to cope, and what feelings were experienced.5,23 The overwhelming fear, terror, and related beliefs that the patient originally experienced in childhood must first be validated and acknowledged by both therapist and patient. In turn, in order to break the pattern, the patient must process and work through the entire traumatic experience throughout the course of therapy with the support of the therapist.

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Throughout the course of therapy, the therapist's own countertransferential feelings should be examined and used to help understand patients' problems with reenactments. Boredom, anger, rage, or sexual feelings experienced throughout the course of therapy can be useful in understanding what patients engender in others that may play a role in the reenactments they experience. Without blaming patients for their reenactments, therapists can help them to better understand their vulnerabilities and how they may contribute to their own exploitation.
For example, a 32-year-old female patient with a long history of childhood sexual abuse noted to her therapist that she had been abused in many of her past relationships. In the early course of therapy, the therapist began to explore with her how it was that others took advantage of her, which did not prove to be particularly productive. As the therapy progressed, however, the therapist became aware of his own wish to take control of the patient's life, to rescue her, and to tell her what to do. When he examined these feelings, he became more cognizant of how timid and frail the patient's presentation was, and he decided that it would helpful to explore this. He began by inquiring how the patient imagined others viewed her. With specific questions about whether she thought others viewed her as powerful or powerless, the patient eventually began to better understand how she presented to others, which, in turn, played a role in her victimization. The therapist's awareness of his own feelings when working with the patient was the catalyst for this line of questioning that enabled the therapy to progress.
Whatever tools are used, the healing that needs to occur is not a short-term process. Successful clinical work can take years because the goals are to help patients work through overwhelming affect, modify their internal object relationships and cognitive structures, and change their basic ways of being in the world. Such work is necessary, however, if we are going to diminish their vulnerabilities and decrease their chances of getting involved in destructive reenactments.
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If you have any helpful comments on this, I would appreciate it.
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As the therapy progressed, however, the therapist became aware of his own wish to take control of the patient's life, to rescue her, and to tell her what to do. When he examined these feelings, he became more cognizant of how timid and frail the patient's presentation was, and he decided that it would helpful to explore this. He began by inquiring how the patient imagined others viewed her. With specific questions about whether she thought others viewed her as powerful or powerless, the patient eventually began to better understand how she presented to others, which, in turn, played a role in her victimization. The therapist's awareness of his own feelings when working with the patient was the catalyst for this line of questioning that enabled the therapy to progress.


Sadly, this is where my oldT failed MISERABLY in our therapy. He did not look at his own feelings and he contributed to a perfect reenactment of my childhood. He only reinforced the things I was most fearful of. Terrified of. And he caused so much more damage that I have to undo with my T now. He should have sought supervison but he was too weak and cowardly to do so and he sacrificed me and our relationship instead by running away from his feelings.

The words I think you are looking for is 'repetition compulsion". We try to reenact our past so that we can somehow change it and make it work out better for us. We want the opportunity to control the ending so that we get what we have always needed in the past.

I think this may be common in trauma survivors. You may want to read up on it to see if it fits what you are experiencing.

Best,
TN
Thanks TN - I shall look it up, as I am puzzled as to what is happening,
and yes, I do think that your ex T was doing what you think he was and your new T, your T, is the real thing. Thank goodness

this is what I found:
It appears that I am engaged in some strange 'repetitive compulsion'.

In this, a person actively engages in behavior that mimics an earlier stressor, either deliberately or unconsciously, so that in particular events that are terrifying in childhood become sources of attraction in adulthood. For instance, a person who was spanked as a child may incorporate this into their adult sexual practices; or a victim of sexual abuse may attempt to seduce another person of authority in his or her life (such as their boss or therapist): an attempt at mastery of their feelings and experience, in the sense that they unconsciously want to go through the same situation but that it not result negatively as it did in the past.

In a repetition compulsion, the client will behave in ways that engender particular responses from others that conform with previous experiences in interpersonal relationships with an enduring symbolic framework that organizes constellations of thought, feeling, memory, and expectation about self and others, with early unconscious fixations fueling the repetition compulsion.

sort of paraphrased from wikapedia
This is hugely illuminating to me too, I feel so grateful to this forum, and for the helpful and insightful comments by TN and UV.
Thanks UV - very good comments.I am amazed I am seeing this, and one of the most amazing bits is that I can remember how strong the 'vortex' is when it is operating, it sort of fills my mind and being and is all consuming. I am not in it now - part of seeing it seems to reduce it.
I actually saw sweetP today as he had sweetly agreed to do a one off family session at short notice - and there we were, all my family and him in a very nice room talking about how I have had some emotional trauma in my early years and a difficult childhood and then some more traumas occurred in adulthood and I am now dealing with the pain that is surfacing from that. It was a very low key session but it was amazing in that we could not have talked about it at home without my nearly 18 yr old daughter storming out, (she HATES all this) and it gave us all room to talk about it. My young son fell asleep!! He has a long day. Smiler
SweetP was just utterly sweet and my entire family agreed that I have fallen on my feet to have a psychologist as sweet as he is.
But my main point is that I was in the same room as him, now knowing about my re enactment patterns, and I felt so clear and able to see him clearly and NOT in that dynamic at all. I know it will shift, but I also know that I can tell him on thursday when I see him and that we can keep this insight well in the picture from now on.
This is REAL progress.

thanks - and I am so glad Draggers that you find it helpful too. Onward and forward!

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