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How do you deal with your inner critic or self-hatred in session? Do you say what you really think about yourself? Do you know what you want when you talk about your self-hate? Do you know what you think might heal it for you?

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I find right now I'm going through a period of time where my sense of self is changing. Part of me can hang on to the new reality I've been building in therapy which is that I am not the vile toxic scum of the earth I have felt like my whole life and part of me can't.

It's hard for me to talk about in session without intellectualizing. To keep myself calm I can discuss the opposing feelings, I talk about it calmly and while there is a nuclear bomb of hate going off in my head.

I never get to just unleash about what I really think because I can't really go down that train of thought without it ending in self-harming behavior which would happen suddenly without warning in my Ts office (which is for obvious reasons very unacceptable - and has never happened) or I'd just save my punishment for when I leave. I have a high level of impulse control but when I tap in to that part of me that is holding all that contempt against myself I can't stop it - it's a take over. Sometimes even at home I will end up have an internal "explosion" of hate/horrible self-talk where I'm missing for a fair chunk of time and find myself exhausted and disoriented for hours after.

It's like to say it all out loud would be impossible but I feel a need to do so. I'm just not sure if that is effective or how I can work through this without ever fully letting out the pressure. I get frustrated with myself for not being able to think myself in to feeling differently. I feel bad saying and believing such awful things about myself but a part of me really feels that is the absolute undeniable truth and no amount of someone believing something different is going to sway that. This part doesn't want nurturing or rescue or positive reflection it is basically hell bent on self-destruction, listens to no-one and scares and hurts me for almost everything I do, or don't do. The guilt of showing someone how vehemently and deep my hatred is also difficult because I feel so bad knowing that they feel differently but I don't know how to move through this in my work.

My T's plan is to be there and accept it and help me move through it. I know this is all right brain work I need to do, a sort of implicit learning of my worth gradually over time (no amount of "affirmations" or CBT is really going to do much IMHO). This week when I saw my T we were talking about my feelings about myself and I told her I was getting angry and she asked angry at what. I just said "Not you" to which my clever T responded "Well, I'm not concerned about me, I'm worried about you being angry with you". She normalizes, validates, listens, pushes when needed, is gentle when needed, reassures, points out, reality checks, etc - she says it's important to talk about and she undertsands that I'm standing between two worlds right now (she tells me it's exciting to witness the shift).

I really believe a large part of the problem is this self-hating part of me doesn't feel heard or understood and instead I'm just destroying it and it's fighting back. Where is a middle ground? I was thinking I might try a writing exercise to write a letter to myself to show to my T what goes on in my head. I do explain and I do report to my T when my self-hate is triggered. This might help me titrate feelings in session so I can get them out there. My Ts are pretty much open to anything I think would be effective.

^_^ cat
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(((hugs)))
I'm in a similar place. At my last session I let out my self hatred and my T was taken back. I had been doing so well (or seemed to be for a while). I think I just need T to help build my self confidence and self esteem or remind me of good things about myself. I would also like a hug. I might ask for that next time depending on how I feel.
I'm struggling to find middle ground right now. I think I'm finally dealing with a specific trauma that I never dealt with when I was young. Also, my mother and I had an argument and I feel like I'm being controlled by shame and guilt again (still). It's either follow Mom's rules or get kicked out of the house with two kids in tow.

I wish I could be of more help to you, Cat. Just know you are not alone.
Hi cat,

I have an issue with self-hatred too. The only thing that has worked for me in dealing with it is actually to have compassion for that part of myself yet without agreeing with it. Kind of giving it empathy. Like, "It really sounds like you believe you're worthless. You're so concerned that nobody will ever love you...blah blah." Even though the self-hating voice or part of you seems hostile and violent towards you, it can't be stopped by returning hatred and violence back. That part of you is actually a kind of wounded child and it needs love in order to heal. At least that has been my experience.

Best of luck in figuring it out.
HI CAT,

I love the nickname and very appropriate. The timing of your thread was impeccable because just today I was struggling with some self-hate from the past and I wasn't sure I was going to be able to pull myself out of it.

Writing it down sounds like a great idea. I've done that often when I really need to tell T something but can't get the words out. I think they need to know how bad we feel sometimes.



Liese
Athenacus - I see two Ts and I've unleashed my self hate with one and it did not go well - it ended up like a Good Will Hunting moment gone very very awry because I'm not connected to that deep sense of "it's not true" if that makes sense! Sorry you are struggling with this too. My Mom controls me with guilt too - actually it is with her shame, she will feel bad for her actions (sometimes) and then I will feel bad she feels bad and feel guilty that it happened, etc. A wonderful cycle. Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone, wishing you the best on your healing also.

Alpaca - Yes! It is definitely a young part that feels this way. My T almost makes that part sound endearing, innocent, young, etc. My Ts haven't done the parroting/mirror thing, maybe that is what I'm missing in feeling validated. How does it feel when your T says those things? I wonder if it would send me in to a flashback because I'd only listen to part of what was being said. Wondering if you've experienced that?

Liese - Thank you. What did you do to pull yourself out of self-hate today and did you talk to your T? I've written things down only in email when I've brought written stuff in session before the vulnerability overwhelms me. I think it's useful for them to know how bad we feel sometimes but, at the same time, I'm pretty sure my Ts know LOL it's just I want to say it over and over and over as if I have a bucket full of mean words and once I pour them out I'll be all better!

xoxo - I hope that heart is made of red wine though given the stein it looks like a good amber lager LOL or it's a vampire smiley... very cute, thank you. I like that you're able to tell your T what your critic is saying. My daily judgements are less (DBT has helped there) but the storms still come. What would your T do with what you told him? If you're comfortable saying. I wish I could cut out my introjections too. Sometimes I feel like I need an exorcist not a therapist with this stuff. I'm glad it is much better for you now.

^_^ cat
((cat))

I'm sorry you have so much self-hatred. I feel the same way and I get stuck in session because I don't want to say what I'm thinking which is that I am so broken that I will never get this right-brain right-brain connection people talk about in case he agrees with me and I'll have to quit. At least that is what happened tonight.

If you find a way to talk to your inner critic let me know. Brick wall This is what I feel like after tonight.
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My Ts haven't done the parroting/mirror thing, maybe that is what I'm missing in feeling validated. How does it feel when your T says those things? I wonder if it would send me in to a flashback because I'd only listen to part of what was being said. Wondering if you've experienced that?


Cat, my T didn't do this with me, I did it with myself. I think that I was only able to do it because I have enough experience with mindfulness practice and Nonviolent Communication, of which giving self-empathy is an important part. But your T could do it with you too as well, if you asked I am sure.

Interestingly, the other week I came across this entire type of therapy which deals with hostile parental introjects through compassionate self-interaction with them. Here's a link to it: http://www.dnmsinstitute.com/aboutdnms.html
incognito - Aw Frowner I'm sorry it is one of those nights. When you get stuck are you telling T what's going on or stuck in silence? I go through both. I find I genuinely believe my Ts have positive feelings for me that are mostly true (through I assume exaggerated because of their unconditional positive regard crap) but I just don't agree. So we have a lot of "agree to disagree" talks. My biggest fear is that my anger/shame will convince them I am horrible (I really do make some fabulous arguments) and that I don't know if I can get through it alone. So I understand what you're saying that your T will agree somehow, someway. Frowner thinking of you.

Alpaca - Oh I understand you now! I think I gathered that it was a self-compassion thing the first time I read through then not the second. I've done a lot of mindfulness work with through DBT therapy and it has helped my daily struggles (before therapy I'd have judgemental/self-depreciating thoughts about 80% of my waking hours which my T lovingly said "You know, cat, that's a lot."). It's still a work in progress for me and I like hearing that it has helped you. Thanks for the link, I'm heading to read right now. Smiler

Edited to add: Alpaca, a lot of this (the link) sounds like things I do in EMDR (we do not use it for trauma at the moment) with my T where we resource protective/nurturing parts. I haven't let us make a nurturing resource yet and my T is regularly grounding me in my core/spiritual self. Very good article thank you again.

^_^ cat
greenleaf - I hope when you see your next T you are able to better articulate the self hate stuff. It's really hard to work on, especially when you feel/believe deep down it is deserved. What has helped me with my obsessive thoughts is to really notice when I'm doing it and try to do something else - it doesn't make the messages less true but... it has given me mental 'space' and 'time' from my hatred to start to develop a passing sense of "something more". My Ts have believed me about the frequency of my self-hating thoughts and I assume that yours would believe you also. I also appear very collected on the outside.

Update from session today:

Worked on this a little in therapy today, and it ended up... well, interesting. We worked more on allowing both things to co-exist and be true rather than having to pick one or the other. I'm not sure where I'm taking that yet. I'm really confused.

My T makes me feel good about myself, that I'm capable, smart, a number of good things... I leave feeling very positive. But it feels wrong. On one hand it feels like they are exaggerating, being polite, or that I take their message and internally turn the volume up on it. As a perfectionist, I'd really take exception to feeling happy about being average and since I know I can't be great I'd rather feel bad on some level. I think I will never be good enough for myself sometimes and the times I do feel good enough I feel like I'm "settling". I suppose that is what I need to learn - that I'm not bad or the epitome of fantasticalness I'm in the middle, I'm okay because the bar I set for fantasticalness is way too high to begin with anyway Smiler

I feel like I could cry Frowner I can't figure this out right now.

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