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OK, so I had my session yesterday night and I didn't die and was able to detach (although still had separation anxiety) and go home and be safe. T had a list of topics that I wanted to cover and I had told him that ESPECIALLY, I needed to cover:

1. Dissociation and safety.
2. Communication, boundaries and expectations.

Some SU stuff came up over the weekend, so I thought we would cover that too, but it ended up happening only generically under the safety topic.

First, T wanted to talk parts. He freaked me out by the way he introduced the topic. He said, "I have been noticing something in your journals and texts, and I think you are doing it intentionally," referring to my starting to refer to my separateness. I used to edit those sorts of things out, but have started to just be accepting that it's how I feel and try not to worry if that makes me crazy or if T thinks I'm some sort of liar. But, because he used the word "intentional" and later "on purpose," I heard, "Liar liar, pants on fire!" That's not what he meant though. This was a long conversation.

T asked: “Do you know the implications of that…” sense of multiple parts or states?
The word implication made me feel like he thought I was implying something, whereas I've just finally be totally 100% clear about what my experiences are like, rather than hedging. I felt like he thoguht I was trying to engineer a specific diagnosis. So, I gave a vague answer about knowing "a bit" about dissociation.

T asked about you guys on the forum: “Is there anyone else on the forum with these symptoms” and did I know their diagnosis?
I heard, of course, that he thought I was copying peoples' symptoms, which is actually ridiculous, because I started reporting a number of these things before I even found the forum. I told him I could relate to a lot of you guys and that there were people "all along the spectrum" as far as dissociation went. I refused to mention any specific diagnoses and told him I felt that was his job. He said, not really, that it was for us to collaborate on. I wanted him to just say, "Hey, I think you have such and such," whether that is DDNOS or just mild dissociation or whatever. Give your dang opinion...don't make me volunteer information. If I feel like I'm lying just telling you my symptoms, how am I going to react to feeling like I'm diagnosing myself? So, I basically refused to get specific.

It came out that I had a headache and he asked if that has been happening a lot.
I explained that it had, but didn't note that he should know that if he paid any attention to my texts since like January, when my attachment stuff started rearing its head. I asked if it was significant. I felt sneaky here (since I have been suspecting that for a while and I know some of you guys get them too), but I wanted HIM to answer a question rather than make me draw my own conclusions from my experience and research. He said something about how it can be related to ego-state switching. I explained that the current headache had started right when I entered a really detached state earlier in the day. He asked what it felt like to do that and I just explained that I went from being really upset to just not caring. He asked what I had been upset about, but I couldn't remember exactly, LOL. So I just listed a ton of things it might have been. He mentioned my text about anxiety over my session and I barely remembered sending it (to the point where I was checking my phone to see if he was full of it), but after he described how he thought I was feeling in paraphrase, it started to sound familiar and I dropped it.

T asked: “I asked you early on in our sessions if you were losing time…is that happening now?” and “Has anyone else, like H, noticed anything?”
I heard this as, "You hadn't reported this intensity of experience before, so you must be lying now," or him wanting "evidence" from other people to prove I wasn't lying. I told him about a few of the scarier experiences I've had lately. I also tried to explain which parts of the experience had always been noticeable (like blanking/zoning badly in general and chatter), but I think I did a bad job.

When I said I felt like I was lying or crazy and I kept projecting those thoughts onto him, he said: “It would never occur to me that you are lying. That’s not something I do.”
So, I heard: “A normal person would think you’re a big, fat liar, but I am SUPER-trust guy, able to leap BS in a single bound, so I believe you!” I told him that it was worse to think it was true than that I was making it up and he looked like he didn't get that, so I explained, "Well, if I'm making it up, then I'm really ashamed or guilty, but that's not as bad as..." and I couldn't finish, so T said, "being afraid it's true?" And it was such a relief that T understood how I was feeling.

He was very welcoming about the parts stuff overall. He mentioned some of the internal feedback I've been getting about certain kid parts/states wanting direct interaction and he said he finds that encouraging...I can't remember what he said about why, but it sounded like he wanted to be able to do that. I told him I didn't know what it would be like and it really freaked me out when that came up.
T said: "Well, there's no need to manufacture that," and something about things happening in their own time.
The manufacture line put me back into "you're lying!" projections. Also, extreme waves of grief and internal complaints that I could not verbalize to T about having lost their shot to interact with T, because I had rejected his welcome/invitation. I started feeling ridiculous and then had urges to draw all over myself with my pen where I was wanting to SI or leave the room and do stuff. The internal conflict was so overwhelming that I completely froze and retreated. It took me a few minutes before I could do more than explain that I was having an "uncontainable" experience. I started dashing (drawing little lines) in my notebook and was able to detach again. I wasn't able to tell T about it...too much resistance once it had passed.

Next, we talked about the overall sense that things were not safe and me needing a safe place. He said therapy is a bit safe for me, but also so triggering on connection issues that it can be very unsafe. He asked where I was at on seeing a P and I explained that I was waiting until after H's trip, but now that it was canceled, I planned on going soon. He said he thought that was a very good idea, that he wants to see things settle for me, that it was a very adult decision. He talked me through some of my fears and H's fears as well. So, I expect that he's going to follow up with me on this and make sure I get it taken care of. I'm starting to feel the reason he doesn't push and intervene so much with me is because of how much I've been controlled in my life and he thinks maybe that will be more triggering than the empathetic support he offers. Maybe not the right approach, but he has been confrontational with my H and I have heard him speaking very assertively with other clients (I can't hear his words, just tone of voice, from the lobby). He NEVER speaks to me like that, so I don't think it's that he doesn't know what he's doing, but senses he has to be careful? Because if he told me what to do, I would just do it. And if I felt pressured or manipulated or controlled I would start to turn him into mom instead of dad. I don't know. Maybe I'm just making excuses.

He asked about the forums and you guys some more and I was embarrassed, because I feel guilty, like I'm rebelling against an authority figure, by being here. However, he was really encouraging, asked about what sort of stuff I share, what things I found helpful (like being related to), etc. He was really interested, asked the name and I told him, so I said, "But no spying!" actually jokingly, because I know he wouldn't. He said he would absolutely never do anything like that which would invade my privacy and my right to have other safe places to go without asking my permission first. He said, maybe a while after we are done, like three years or something (umm...panic, will we be long done in three years?). I told him I wasn't sure I actually minded him checking it out, but didn't know how other people would feel about that and especially wasn't sure I was comfortable with him seeing what other people here thought about him. I tend to tell him everything I tell you guys, either eventually or at the same time...so I have less concern with him seeing my posts than I do with him seeing other peoples' reactions. I told him that I thought it would be great (if clients felt safe) that every T had access to the client side of the experience in such a way. I told him about the sensitive issues forum and also about the "say anything" thread and how most the stuff I put in there ends up getting told to him in one form or another eventually. He said that it probably helps others do the same. I said, "Well, sometimes it's just for venting," and he chuckled and said, "Dr._, you suck!!!" So, we laughed about it a bit.

He asked if we were doing our Friday call which made me freak out, because it sounded like the session was almost over. He explained that it probably felt fast, because my distress at the beginning made for a slow start. I told him that I was going to be angry at myself and he finished "for not bringing up certain things?" And I said yeah, stuff from my list that I really needed to deal with today. He explained that with the amount of distress I came in with made him feel it was better to wait on those things. Except, I really wanted to address the outside communication issues...but, since I only have two days to go, I think I can make it. I think it was a good call on his part to not let me get any more activated than I already was. The part that sucks is that him saying he didn't want me getting any more upset made me think, "OK, well, he's taking away my outside contact or going to discipline me." So, projecting horrible-ness for Friday's phone session.

He asked if we could pray and have a bit of time to wrap up. I gave my usual ambivalence about it, but ultimately said I knew it was necessary. He expressed understanding that it was "always" very hard for me to disconnect. We prayed and I completely blanked out from about five seconds in until...I'm not sure how long after he stopped praying. He asked me something that I didn't hear and then he asked me if he lost me and that caught my attention. Frowner

I'm not sure how we got on the topic, but he brought up again that it's hard to see me in so much pain. He compared it to a parent seeing their child in pain and "it" (he kept using "it" instead of he or she or they) feels so helpless, because the parent cannot make it better. It was so touching to hear that he has those sorts of thoughts toward me, but put me into another state shift, bad urges cycle like earlier. Little Yaku is aching to reach out and draw closer to T. It's hard to bear witness to her being held back. It's like how Boo gets sometimes when I drop her off with someone or at church and just runs up to me, clutches my leg and cries, "Up on Mommy!" over and over. That's what this kid wanted to do. My headache magnified badly here.

T gave me a bit of time to settle down and then reminded me we'll be talking Friday at 10:00 am. We finished up there and he said, "God bless," which I chuckled at, because I heard it as, "Yeah, f--- off now." He went almost exactly one hour, did a good job of holding the time boundary and not letting me leave too worked up.

I texted him once from the car saying how I was feeling and for him please not to do God stuff right now and let him know next time practical safety needs to be a topic. I went home and let T know that H will be coming next week, since his trip was cancelled. I've texted him once today just for connection, because something I journaled about the possibility of terminating freaked the kids out and they were asking to hear he was there. Still waiting on that. Then, asked about whether I need to mention anything else to potential P than meds and whether he is involved at all in the process (since my insurance covers a guy who works in his office). Waiting on that too, but not panicked about hearing back, because I specifically said I needed to hear back, so if I don't, I have the right to be mad and nag him, right? Wink

Anyway, as long as I don't think about potentially having to leave him, I'm feeling in a pretty good place with T right now. I wish I would have looked at him a bit more (I probably spent maybe two minutes actually looking at him if you add up all my random glances). It would have made my projections so much less likely. But, the trade off is that I would have left in a mess of attachment feelings. So wiped today and a lot of floaty, headache-y moments, but doing...just OK. I feel like, if I could just get T on board with being a bit more direct and transparent, it may be worth the extra money and effort to make it work.
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Wow that was quite the session. You covered a lot in that hour.

It's sad to me though that you double guess what he is saying. LIke when you say "I heard it as....." I mean how painful. I would imagine that it would be very helpful to discuss this with him. I mean I am sure you have to some extent but no wonder you are left feeling so very insecure. Your inner critic is alive and powerful. Yeah you have little kids wanting attention but also have this HUGE judgemental part of you that is kicking them and you in the face over and over again. I don't mean that as a judgement on you either!! = ) What I mean is that is the elephant in the room. That part needs to be addressed I think before anything can happen.

Peace Jo
Yeah Jo, I pretty much ALWAYS admit my projections to T, because intellectually I know that's what they are, but they still feel true. We have had that conversation enough times that I am starting to feel like a total b----, always feeling like he is this monster...I call it Evil Projection Dr._ and I have told him all manner of things this imaginary T thinks and feels about me, how he's on the verge of abandoning me. It's just a transference thing...but it is WAY out in the open to the point that I've tolds him specific triggers that he can avoid. In the end, just another tool for keeping me safe from any emotional intimacy that would put me in a vulnerable position, make it hurt unbearably if I were to get rejected.
aww, I'm so glad to hear that you are feeling seen by your T. Gives me warm fuzzies, Yaku.

You are brave to give him the name of the website. But it shows how trusting your are of him which I think is wonderful.

I also think it is sweet that he said it is hard for him to see you in so much pain. It sounds as though he really does care.
Yeah, funny, huh? Despite all my ridiculous projections, I may actually trust him more than pretty much any other human being...as much as my H (sometimes more, because H's stupid condition has kind of sabotaged some stuff). Frowner Feeling kind of guilty about that and ridiculously vulnerable right now.

It's the second time he has compared his feelings to parental ones, although he is careful not to go overboard with it. The first time was when he mentioned feeling "exactly the same" as I do that parenting Boo has it's rewards despite the challenges. Those sort of statements put my attachment feelings into overdrive...which of course makes me shut down entirely, blank out, freeze, because I canNOT let those kiddos start begging for hugs and such.
UV - crossposted. Thanks for your reply. I don't know; I wasn't actually thinking that he was trying to confront/correct me at all. If he is, I will probably shut down entirely and I bet he knows that. I would have never started segregating these things for him verbally if he hadn't started asking more about them, asking if I had names (which I wasn't sure if he meant labels or names, both of which had existed before the question). I used to purposefully edit that type of stuff out in order to "claim" these states, since I know they are internal, because I thought he was wanting me to own my emotions...so I kind of under-reported the divisive quality to him. And his seeming so receptive to the idea of working directly with parts doesn't seem like he is discouraging them. Ideally, yeah, integrate them...he's been saying that since before I would even admit that I dissociated ANYthing (like a few weeks in, when I was completely still in intellectual mode, objectively describing a list of feeling that had come up and been pushed back as un-useful).

I don't know what I'm saying here...like, what should I do? Should I speak about myself in the terms that feel most accurate and delineate these parts so he knows what state/part he is dealing with in a given situation? Or should I just go back to saying "I," knowing that it is only a small portion of my experience? It would be nice if it could just go away, although it sounds like things might get a bit harder initially...sorry, I'm going to my whole self-loathing place right now, feeling wrong and bad and crazy, like I am frustrating or disappointing my T. Ugh, dad transference...YAY!
Monte - more cross-posting. I hope, even if he is "enticing" them out, that those feelings are real. I'd hate for him to be manipulating the kiddos out into the open. They have, very truly, had enough of people who pretend on the outside to care, but couldn't really give a $#!+ in the long-run.


For the record, I really am NOT thinking I am any particular diagnosis, but I'd rather T describe stuff to me in psychological terms in addition to the spiritual stuff, so I can make a bit of sense of it. However, if I go see a new T at some point, it would be useful to be able to say, "My last T said _________. Do you have any experience with that?"
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If your T is psychodynamic, i think he might have been gently confronting you (confrontation as a psychotherapy technique) because thinking of yourself in parts might stifle the therapeutic process; the goal is to integrate.


UV:
I can't speak to the psychodynamic side since I don't pay much attention to the different methodology, but I'm going to respectfully disagree with the bolded part above. I can't comment for the more mild forms of "parts" that everyone has, but for more distinct parts such as occurs with DID (no longer called MPD) to continue to deny them, not address them etc will not facilitate integration. Further, with DID the end result does not have to be integration. There are plenty of highly functional people with DID that are not fully integrated and it is not mandatory in order to lead a full life. I realize that not all clinicians share this view and that is okay. I also realize and am not saying that Yaku has DID, but I think to issue a blanket statement that "thinking of yourself in parts might stifle the therapeutic process; the goal is to integrate." is failing to consider many of the ways that successful DID and parts therapy works.

Yaku: I think it is good that your T seems to understand more of what is going on here. I remember being terrified when my T started asking about parts and told me that I had DID. I wasn't sure which was worse, thinking I was crazy or admitting I had others inside. Scary stuff. I hope that your T can continue to tease out exactly what is going on so the two of you can work together on a plan to get things more stable and to start resolving the underlying pain. (((hugs)))
UV,

No, don't delete. I may have misunderstood your intent anyway. My point in speaking up was that I was worried that Yaku may feel as though the parts should be hidden and that if she does acknowledge them she isn't going to progress in T.

I know some T's believe it is detrimental to address the different parts and won't work that way. I also know that many actively work with the parts (like my T) and I work well that way, but that doesn't mean it's for everyone.
After many false starts (just feeling very blocked from letting Little Yaku approach, despite several entreaties), I told T how I was worried about what he meant.

Suffice to say, STRM was on the right track...though I still welcome everyone's opinions. It was a good impetus for me getting brave enough to clarify with my T.

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