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*** Trigger Warning: I'm discussing ending therapy and what's getting triggered by that, and right now it's not so pretty. So if this is tough subject, you might want to skip this post. I don't want to scare anyone.***

Hi All,
I am really struggling right now because my T and I, at my instigation, have decided that I seem to be heading out the door. We've had a number of really good sessions and have been looking backward and reflecting on all the growth and the significant things which have happened in the relationship. My calls and emails between appointments have dwindled to virtually none (I called today because of the stuff I'm posting about, he was his usual wonderful self. Like that's making it any easier to leave!!) and I went through a three week gap because of my vacation and his without contacting him the at all. And was good the whole break. I felt really connected and knew he was there. It was REALLY good when I came back to see him but there had not been that incredibly painful feelings of separation.

I have struggled on and off throughout therapy with leaving. It has been such a long, painful struggle to allow myself to get close to my T, to open up to him, to allow myself to trust and love him. And throughout this has always been the knowledge haunting me that someday this would end. It probably doesn't help that I didn't really leave my previous T. She quit clinical practice to go back to school and go after other pursuits, so the ending came upon me. It all worked out in the end because I have been able to heal with my present T and go to places I couldn't reach before.

Part of realizing that it's time to go was the realization that I haven't had any major breakthroughs or new realizations since October when I finally came to grips with my guilt about seeing my T and getting my needs met. So add it all up together and it seems like it's time for me to go out and live my life.

So at my last session, my T and I discussed my leaving. He was EXTREMELY clear that I am welcome to stay as long as I like and the ending can take as long as I need. That this part is no different from anything else we've done. That we'll deal with the feelings as they come up. For that matter, EVERYONE else seems to be fine with me taking my time, except for me. I am putting a tremendous amount of pressure on myself to go. Partly because I've just been in therapy for forever (on and off, but mostly on for the last 22 years) and it feels like it's about time I tried to face life alone. My T and I have also discussed that I have a deep fear of being somewhere where I am not welcome so I am trying to leave before my welcome is up. But he has explained to me on a number of occasions that that is not possible. That I am always welcome and when I leave his door remains open.

At the end of the session, I decided to go two weeks between appointments and I'm halfway there. Today would have probably been my appt if I had stuck to my "normal" weekly schedule.

(I'm trying to get to the point, but since I'm really confused and not sure what I'm trying to say, it's a rather circuitous path.)

Having actually said out loud that I'm leaving has kicked up an incredible firestorm of reactions. Do you know how they say when someone is dying they're life flashes before their eyes? My theraputic life is flashing before my eyes. So many feelings and doubts that I thought I had laid to rest (as in put a stake through the heart and buried) are rearing up in so many different ways.

As the feelings come up, I am recognizing them and remembering dealing with them, tracing them to their roots and understanding them so I keep trying to navigate through them. But the intensity is really high.

There are two really strong themes: fear of dissolution and the grief of what I cannot (didn't) have.

My T and I worked really hard on allowing me to feel secure. At one point he shared ee cummings poem, "I carry your heart" and it finally sunk in that the relationship was real, that I could trust it, that no matter where I went, I carried my T with me and he carried me with him. I actually gave him a heart shaped silver box with a green stone heart in it to represent that truth. He was obviously very moved by it and it sits on a table in his office.

But the thought of leaving has kicked the whole thing back up. That when i walk through his door for the last time, that I will cease to be remembered by him and I will disappear. That somehow this person I have discovered I am will not survive past his threshold. That I will not carry that sense of connection with me.

And so few people understand just how momumental a thing this is to do (I am NOT including the people here). This is one of the most significant, if not MOST significant, relationships I've ever had. I have allowed this man to know me in a way very few do. The depth and intimacy of this relationship has actually shaped who I am. And I love him so very deeply, I love being with him. But I'm going. So saying goodbye is this incredibly major event in my life and I struggle with it just being another patient leaving for him and who's next please? Which is so unfair, because my T has told me a number of times that I have changed him, that the relationship is a significant one and that when a significant theraputic relationship ends, it is also difficult for him. But the fear is most definitely there.

And I struggled so hard and so long to accept that the theraputic boundaries were there. I faced that I could not always have what I thought I wanted in this relationship. I moved past that to understand that therapy couldn't be enough, that I could not obtain some of the things that I had been searching for my whole life. Because it's too late. That some of the stuff missing in my childoood were real losses. I faced the pain and grief of those losses.

But I realized when discussing leaving with a dear friend today (who does get this) that I think I have still held on to one last hope. That if I could reach the end of therapy, things would change. My reward would be the boundaries melting, and being able to know my T in a way I can't now. That he would finally lose that (sometimes infuriating but oh so necessary) detachment and show me how he feels. But that's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. He will not do that and hold out the hope to me of getting something he cannot really give me. He will not cease to be my T when I leave. And he will be that same calm, centered, contained therapist he has always been when I walk out the door the last time. Now ironically, I understand the need for all of these behaviors and how necessary they were to my healing but it doesn't change the fact that I want them to go away. I feel like I am raling against gravity or the earth's rotation in not liking this.

And I have to go looking but there's not alot out there on ending therapy well, especially from a patient's point of view. I want to see this through. But it's confusing.

And I know that I really can talk about all of this with my T but another thing that's coming back up is that awful feeling of humilation of exposing all my feelings and vulnerabilities about how I feel about him and I will not know or see how he feels about me.

As I'm typing this I realize that my T and I have faced all of these issues, and we'll deal with them again. But in the end I'll still have to leave. And right now it hurts so much. But I need to remember the most important lesson he taught me. That I don't have to be afraid of my feelings, that I will be ok no matter what feelings I experience. So it's ok to grieve and acknowledge this sadness. But I do feel like a huge mess.

Somehow I think I believed that leaving was going to be this neat, tidy thing. You'd think with all of my experience, that I would realize it would be confusing, and painful and I would feel like a complete twit while going through it. Can't see why it should be different than the rest of therapy. Big Grin

Thank you all for being here, it is a deep comfort to know I have somewhere to talk about this without people thinking I'm nuts.

AG

PS It's probably not helping that I went back to the doctor yesterday and STILL have not gotten over the bronchitis I caught at Thanksgiving. One more round of antibiotics and steroids, neither of which do much for my moods. (Don't ask me why, but I get depressed for the first few days on antibiotics.)
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AG, AG, AG... You're awesome. Awesome not just because you're wise and smart and funny and all that, but because you're you. You've worked so hard to become you, and it truly is inspiring and significant to be able to go with you, in a sense, through this process.

First of all, I think you'd NEED (more LOL Big Grin) PROFESSIONAL HELP if you weren't freaking about this!!!! This is HUGE! I mean, take a gander back at all your old "freak out" posts, and tell me how many are more deserving of freaking out than this?!?!?! This isn't just the mother of all triggers, it's the mother of all things deserving extreme intense emotion!!! If you were flippant about leaving, or if it were nice and tidy and casual, i think that would be a signal that it's NOT your time to leave!!! does that make sense?

The next thing that came to my mind is, think of your daughter who just left for college. I don't know the whole situation around that, but when most kids get ready to leave home, what is it like? First (and this is my unprofessional interpretation), their all "dude, it'll be so sweet to do what I want and decorate my own place!!!" and then, eventually they reach the "oh, shit, what if there's a giant bug, who's gonna kill it?" stage. And then they get excited because they realize that killing bugs is the price to pay for eating oreos for dinner nightly, and their okay with that. But then, there's the whole laundry thing. It gets to the stage of "ah, shit, I got a stain, how do I get it out? And do i wash this on hot or cold?" So they call mom 479842 times to ask questions or they google it, but they manage to get the stain out (or more likely, wear a stained shirt). But nothing- and I mean nothing- compares to that first night of sleeping allllllll alone (or with a strange roommate who snores), in a strange place- they realize that their dog won't be at the foot of their bed, and mom won't have the eggs scrambled in the morning and they think "what's going to happen to my old room? Who's going to play with the cat if I'm not here? And what's going to happen when I hear a strange noise at night? What if I'm sick and my mom won't be here to help me out??" Panic sets in as all of the things their used to- all of their habits- are changing in real time. Suddenly the "I can't wait to be outta here!" turns to "I'm hoooooommmmeeeeesickkkkkkkk!!! I miss my annoying little brother and I want someone to tell me to go to bed!!!!!!!!" All the things that have felt so natural and normal for the last however-long seem so much bigger and intense than normal... because things ARE changing!

And this whole process is normal (minus the liberties I took and the exaggerations). This whole process, that we've ideally spent 18 years of our lives working towards is overwhelming and it is something to be grieved! But when your daughter comes home, or calls, she is still your daughter. She doesn't cease to be herself in your heart. She doesn't stop being your daughter, even when she's a complete jerk, and even when she is so needy you don't know what to do with her. You may put different things in her room, and you may even redecorate after a while, but not because she isn't welcome anymore, but beacuse you and she (and your family) have worked so hard, and so harmoniously, that she is now capable of being wonderfully independent. She can still reach out to you when she needs you, and she can still call you mommy, or complain to you when she's upset, but she doesn't expect you to fix anything, or help her find a solution.

I believe that our relationships with our t's progress somewhat like this. And I think it's important, because for those of us who were not securely attached, we most likely did not experience separation in this way. We weren't allowed the space to feel our sadness and grief and worry. We couldn't worry about who was going to take care of things, or, we had to worry WAY too much. Maybe we weren't even allowed to leave. I, personally, moved out against my parents' will and had to be taken home by the cops. It was MUCH less than ideal, and I'm sure it was that way for a lot of us.

But i guess my point is that this isn't supposed to be easy. I know you know that, but going THROUGH it is different. And no one ever said you had to be fearless in this process!!! Just remember that your t is granting you the gift of space where before, you HAD to hurry up and get out of the way. And, no matter what, his boundaries will stay in tact. Your exiting therapy or not does not change his physical being. Imagine if it did?!? Imagine what it would be like if he changed all the sudden once you were gone?! I think this is where the parenting analogy fails us, because kids do eventually come to see parents in a different light. But because he IS NOT your parent, he has to remain the same. I know you know he does it for you good (say that three times fast), but think about why he does it... why it really does help you.

Anyway, I hope all my blabbering helps. If it leads to any groundbreaking epiphanies, I strongly suggest AVOIDING the charlie-brown-triple-backwards-somsersault... that is unless you stretch well first!! Razzer

-CT
(((((AG))))))

AG, you have an amazing way of describing how you are feeling, and this "mother of all triggers" is no exception. To discover that even the leaving itself will be a loss to grieve seems very unfair after all that you've had to grieve in the therapy. I can understand the hope that there would be some reward of the tables turning at the end, and it is no wonder you are railing against it not being there. If anyone deserves it to be there, it would be you...I wonder if you're having all your therapy flash before your eyes because you'll have to use all you've learned in order to walk through this final step...it will be hard but we'll be alongside you doing what we can to cheer you on.

Love,
SG
AG,
It's wonderful the way you talk about your relationship. It's also very interesting to read about your feelings and thoughts that the idea of ending brings. It is sad, but somehow also peaceful, because there is so much hope and you've gained so much, this relationship is part of you now and always will be. It does make me sad a bit, but I know there is still long way ahead of me.

I want to walk that road with my T, and I want it to be long. I'm not afraid, but I expect to hurt. I actually expect him to hurt me and I imagine that he will have to, that it is not up to him entirely, he will have to make me feel hurt and rejected in some way. I wish I'm wrong.

Monte - I love how you put it. It still does make me sad to think about the future loss, but, there is hope. Hopefully....
Hi All,
I can't thank you all enough for your input, all of your responses have helped me incredibly. There's a lot more I want to write, but I'm totally wiped from all the medications I'm on so that the task feels very daunting right now. But I do want you to know I read what everyone wrote and I was very comforted and greatly helped. I'll be back later with more to say. I know, I know, you're shocked I'd have more to say! Big Grin

AG

PS CT I refrained from the triple backwards somersault only through force of will and knowing I'm just not up to physically at the moment. Big Grin
Hi AG

I'm so sorry that we both experienced a crisis at the same time - and that I was unable to respond to you in your time of need.

BUT.......... boy did you get some great replies! Big Grin

Free-on-Thursdays - my T says the same thing about her clients reducing the frequency for months, sometimes years - until they are really ready to say goodbye.

AG, I know what it's like to want to move to the next step - but perhaps going from 20 years of therapy to reduced frequency is a less all or nothing way to go. Just my opinion - feel free to tell me to buzz off if this isn't what you want to hear.

CT - you are hilarious! Smiler I laughed at your description of the child leaving for college. It resonated with me way TOO much!

But CT, on a serious note though, my separation from my parents was less than ideal too. The hospital I was in for my eating disorder when I was a teenager determined that my home environment was not fit for me to return too and I moved in with my aunt (but my parents kept trying to get me back whilst the same old patterns / manipulations continued). So I want the version in your story that made me laugh - that would have been a proper separation. Red Face

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But when your daughter comes home, or calls, she is still your daughter. She doesn't cease to be herself in your heart. She doesn't stop being your daughter, even when she's a complete jerk, and even when she is so needy you don't know what to do with her. She can still reach out to you when she needs you, and she can still call you mommy, or complain to you when she's upset. I believe that our relationships with our t's progress somewhat like this.


I love this idea. I just love it! Thank you.

Monte's quote:

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the grieving you’ve done in therapy has been about ‘old’ loss. Now comes the time to put all you’ve learnt into practise and grieve a loss in ‘real time’ and (said in a whisper of wonder) …survive. Wouldn't that be the mark of successful therapy? Miracle of miracles!


Wow - and you are still in need of therapy why? Wink That is very very very insightful. That is something I had never considered and will ponder for some time yet.

Take care and remember even this final stage can be done in baby steps (if you wish Wink)

I'm OK
Hi Monte,
Just because it's easier makes it no less wiser! Smiler I really appreciate what you said to me because I really do believe that the last thing my T will teach me is how to say goodbye. How to squarely face the loss instead of having to deny the depth and meaning of the relationship. I have to keep reminding myself that I am as safe with my T as I have always been.

I'm OK: Please don't apologize for not answering sooner, especially knowing now what you've been struggling with. I understand that there's not always the time, energy or focus to respond to everyone. I know that I have undergone long absences on the boards due to what I'm processing or just life happening. We give what we can when we can. The amazing thing about that is that there is always so much here that we all are so supported. And I appreciate what you said about spreading it out. I am honestly going back and forth about that issue. I'm not really enjoying this first two week break, but I also want to give it a chance. I'll keep you posted! Smiler

CT, you're (hilarious) explanation helped so much. Especially since I am going through it right now. It helps immensely to look at it from both sides because I can imagine that my T has some of the same feelings about me leaving that I have about my daughter leaving. And that's really comforting. And it was really good for me to hear you put it into perspective for me. This really is a pretty major undertaking and it's understandable to think it would be difficult. You have reminded me to show myself some compassion and patience.

And although it's strange to hear how you see me, it's very nice to know you think that about me. Big Grin

SG,
Thank you, it means more than you can know, to know that there are friends here, cheering me on, that I don't go through this alone. It is such a blessing to know that people understand and are pulling for me. I honestly believe I wouldn't be where I'm at, able to consider leaving, if it had not been the support I've had here on this board. And you've been a big part of that.

Amazon, you captured the heart of what I've been trying to express. "It is sad, but somehow also peaceful" The sense that it is time to leave is coming from somewhere very peaceful inside. OK, the fact that I have some insides that are peaceful is an incredible sign of change for me! But it's also sad. Part of getting through this is holding onto both those things.

I am so very thankful that I can come here to talk about this. I really appreciate all of you listening and taking the time to share with me your strength.

AG
OK so it turns out that the only one having a problem with this being a big deal is me. I saw my therapist this morning for the first time in two weeks and had a seriously intense session. It's been awhile since I did one of those. I pretty much sobbed through the whole thing, but it was really good.

A lot of deep stuff is getting triggered by the thought of leaving and I've been struggling with feelings the last two weeks that I thought I had really put behind me. I lost the sense of connection to my T and was convinced that he was going to be totally fed up when I walked in there upset today. (I KNEW that wasn't true, but it really FELT true.)

Instead he was incredibly gentle and understanding (even to the point of understanding why I feel like an idiot to feel this way) and very reassuring that this was a huge undertaking and that my reactions were very understandable in light of my past. We talked about my reaction in terms of an anxious attachment style. The whole "exploratory" part of moving away from a secure attachment is shut down because you have to be so vigilant about your attachment figure so that you don't risk missing anything from them because there's so little to get. So of course the thought of moving away to explore my life is inducing a deep painful sense of panic.

Once I heard that, it was easier to open up. A lot of difficult feelings and beliefs surfaced which I was able to express. My T and I discussed our relationship on a very deep level and it feels like I'm sorting through what got said on a very deep level. It was wonderful and horrible at the same time. Wonderful because it was such a relief to let the feelings come and know how safe and loved I was, but horrible because it highlights what I lose when I leave.

But I don't lose it, that's the part I'm trying to learn. And I'm back in that place where what I KNOW doesn't make a damn bit of difference, it's the feelings that have to be dealt with and expressed.

Shouldn't you get one direction for free? After struggling so very hard to move closer to my T, it just doesn't feel fair that moving away should be a whole 'nother struggle. Oh, and I'd like a unicorn ride and world peace. Big Grin

I'm exhausted, but it's quieter inside and I have my sense of connection to my T back. And the very clear reassurance that we'll take whatever time we need to process the feelings coming up. He wasn't acting too surprised. Smiler

I am so enormously grateful, beyond my ability to express in words, that he both realizes his incredible importance to me and the role he plays in my life and that he accepts so gracefully how intense my love and need for him are while keeping me totally safe within such clear boundaries. It's so humbling to have someone be willing to go this far for me.

AG
I’m so glad you have the connection to your T back! Yay! Smiler I don’t have useful advice about your post or much that is useful to say about it, I wanted to tell you that something about it encouraged me. I don’t know how or why exactly. I guess it is encouraging to hear of getting to the point of ending therapy because you have worked hard and gotten better, and seeing that even ending the therapy in a healthy way even when ready, is still hard, and still a process to work through. I’m ready to throw in the towel and give up at times, especially lately. This somehow helps me see that it is possible to get to this point. And it's pretty understandable to see why it would be so hard. (It's so weird how I can have so easily much compassion for you and it makes so much sense that this would be hard process, and then yet at the same time, in my own struggle to move close or far away, I seem to expect it would be so easy!)
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Shouldn't you get one direction for free? After struggling so very hard to move closer to my T, it just doesn't feel fair that moving away should be a whole 'nother struggle. Oh, and I'd like a unicorn ride and world peace.
Yes! It doesn't feel fair! We work so hard to move close and trust, shouldn't we be rewarded for all the hard work by an easier path? (dang, my mother was right, life isn’t fair. I hate admitting that.)

I’m encouraged by your courage to face it. It may not be easy, but something about your journey very beautiful too. Thanks for sharing it.
AG- I'm so glad you had this session with your t. It sounds like you are doing a lot of good, hard work, and I really admire you.

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We talked about my reaction in terms of an anxious attachment style. The whole "exploratory" part of moving away from a secure attachment is shut down because you have to be so vigilant about your attachment figure so that you don't risk missing anything from them because there's so little to get. So of course the thought of moving away to explore my life is inducing a deep painful sense of panic.


I'm in a Social and Personality development class and we recently talked about attachment styles and all that. It was dreadful to sit through, and of course I was the only 20something in class crying when we watched the video showing how kids react when their parents leave/come back, etc. It's so hard to watch and then think about it in terms of one's own personal history... it's so hard to imagine me as a child, just crying for hours and not being held or anything. I certainly understand the feeling like you have to desperately hold on to WHATEVER you have! ((((AG))))

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And I'm back in that place where what I KNOW doesn't make a damn bit of difference, it's the feelings that have to be dealt with and expressed.


Right brain v. left brain, Round 6,343,563,795!

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Oh, and I'd like a unicorn ride and world peace.


I'd personally prefer a Pterodactyl ride and to give a home to all lost and abandoned puppies.

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I am so enormously grateful, beyond my ability to express in words, that he both realizes his incredible importance to me and the role he plays in my life and that he accepts so gracefully how intense my love and need for him are while keeping me totally safe within such clear boundaries. It's so humbling to have someone be willing to go this far for me.


Humbling... and so very gratifying in a deep, deep way, huh?

Keep working AG, you'll get there when you get there. No need to hurry now, right? Big Grin

-CT
Thank you all for all the affirmation (ok yes I can still struggle to take it in Roll Eyes) but to hear how it looks from your perspective really helps.

CT, you totally crack me up. And how'd you get the correct number of rounds? Big Grin But I promise that if I get my unicorn ride, I will use it to go find a Pterodactyl for you.

Monte, I LOVE corny! actually what you said really moved me and I love the way you see my T feeling. As for flying over, I spent way too long down in that mud to ever think of doing that to anyone still in the trenches. Especially when they're busy growing wings. Big Grin

AG

PS I loved the letter idea!
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AG I still feel pretty new and green around here and have been in awe of your insight into what you (and us) are going through. I have contemplated finishing therapy several times - normally a knee jerk rection to difficult times but deep down I have always known it wasn't really right and would be just to temporarily spite me or her Frowner But I have often wondered just how I will know when the right time is? My T is confident that I will know, but that feels quite a responsibility!

Monte not too corny - pretty powerful analogy to me, thank you. Maybe the answer in part to my question to AG. I really love:

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for ages you will fly with one eye over your wing, lookng back in his direction, but surely eventually what your flying into will distract you, then captivate you and become your new focus


Thank you monte, that fills me with hope that one day we'll al be flying off, maybe in vastly different directions and at very different times, BUT flying nevertheless Smiler

starfish
Wow- now i know how I missed this incredible thread-notifications off.
My mind is reeling with all of the wonderful wise information on this thread. It is great to see how this stuff works.
So many of you are so knowledgeable about therapy.
AG- you always amaze me. I have had 15 months of therapy, and already I am thinking about leaving. Every concieveable way I've thought about this topic (thinking I am so original)has been expressed on this thread. I guess perhaps I am still running, and not quite ready eventhough I have been patting myself on the back for lengthening my sessions to 3 weeks. Today that is not working so well for me.
I can imagine leaving would be "the mother of all triggers."
I am rambling- so I will stop.

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