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I can barely type my fingers are shaking, my whole body is shaking so badly with anxiety and grief. It's unrelenting and horrible. This week has been a hellish nightmare for me despite my best intentions and my determination to make this all work out with my T. I loved him so much and I still do....why do I still love him when he has been so horribly cruel to me? I must be a pathetic person.

I am still recovering from surgery but I went to see him Thursday at 1 as we had planned. I was scared but trying to be calm. It was our last session before his vacation. I was hoping he had a change of heart and would provide me with one or more of the things I requested in my letter to him about my coping skills while he would be away for 3 weeks. I worked hard on this and gave it a lot of thought and was willing to take charge of what should have been something HE worked on with me. He kept procrastinating about this. I had to keep reminding him that first i needed him to help me get through surgery. He half-heartedly did that but I could tell it was more of going through the motions than really caring what I was struggling with.

When I got to session he had all my stuf I had loaned him a DVD, the trauma CDs, my little anchor I left there last week, and a receipt for my son's camp piled on his table. That freaked me a bit but I didn't mention it because it was too scary. We then spoke about my surgery experience and I told him that I am learning to ask for what I need because I was able to do just that in the hospital and also in asking my sister to stay overnight with me. I told him it was painful in parts and other times it was okay and I was able to eat again and how I handled my son's reaction to my being away in the hospital. He seemed interested and then we started talking baseball after a few minutes of awkward silence. I was trying to find something to talk over that would not leave me in an awful place before he left for vacation. I needed this to go well.

After a bit of baseball he gave me a list of Ts and said to call them and find one for me for now and going forward. He said he would not leave me and was still in my life through my son's therapy. I said its not the same I need to talk to you about me not just him and he said we could make a little time to talk and I reminded him when we did that in the past he told me I was taking over my son's sessions. He said we coudl work all of this out. We then talked about the list and how I would not see this woman he was pushing on me. I don't want a female T as I have told him many times. It started degenerating into harshness and I was getting dissociative and he kept saying are you listening to me? he kept repeating my name in a mean way and I could not focus on him it was feeling too dangerous.

Finally session was over and I think i realized that he was obviously not going to give me anything to hold onto while he was gone. I was so heartbroken and in pain. He kept saying we would meet on 9/1 and I had an appt with him that day and we will talk more then. I was looking at 3 weeks with this awful feeling inside of me. Why why did he do this before he left giving me other phone numbers and telling me to go find someone? This was so hard.

I slowly walked out to my car on leaden legs. My stitches hurt from all the crying I did in his office and I had emotional pain as well. I felt profoundly alone and scared. I reached my car and it was pouring rain and I could not get my feet inside and close the door so I sat there and a huge wall of grief came over me in a powerful torrent of tears that I could not stop. I cried for 20 mins and tried to call a friend to help me as I was just thinking of all the pills I had home from surgery and how much I wanted to die because if I died he would feel the pain I was feeling. I was on the phone when my T walked out of his office to find me there and ask me what the problem was. He saw me still parked in front. Maybe he thought I had a surgery issue but I was sobbing. My friend and he spoke on the phone and deemed that I was "unsafe" and so my T instead of calming me down or talking to me started threatening me to call my dh (who does not know about therapy) and when I would not give him the number he called the police on me!!

How does that feel that your T does not want to help you to talk to you and calmyou downn bnut just calls the police instead and just abdicate his responsibility onto them instead. I would not go with the police to the crisis center whe they decided I should go and then I called a girl friend who works nearby. Oh and during this time my T grabbed my car keys so I could not drive away from there. I wanted to leave but he would not let me becuase I was "unsafe".

After much time and talking by all parties it was decided I would go talk to crisis and my T would come with me to keep me safe. He was all crazed cancedlling patients and running around like a crazy man. I was drenched from rain and scared to death. I was afraid to go cause they would keep me there and by this time I was perfectly calm and rational I was just so hurt and in pain and wondering what the hell happened to this wonderful caring empathic man who cried with me who hugged me who cared for my son, who was always there for me and who was gentle kind and understanding. Where did he go?

There was no P at crisis and I spoke (we both did) with a crisis worker who was not helpful and was scarcastic and even harmful to me. She said I should stay in the hospital but my T could not commit me.... I told him I would never forgive him for this. How could he do this to me. So finally they decided I could go home if my friend came over and took all my pills from me. They left all of my care to a friend who was not even a close friend and left me out there on my own with no anxiety meds to help calm me down.

I said bye to my T there in the crisis center with people around. I asked him for ahug and he said no maybe because of the people around us. I asked him if this was hard for him and he looked at me and said yes for all the reasons I was thinking... I was not thinking anything and don't know what he meant. He squeezed my shoulder and said to take care and that we STILL had a 9/1 appt. I said I was not sure I could keep it I was so sad/scared. I shook his hand and said goodbye and he said NO not goodbye just goodnight. I left him there then knowing I would see him in 3 weeks if I could somehow survive.

Last night I got an email from him cancelling that session and saying that I should call the Ts on the list and find someone new and focus on my new therapy and not seeing him. And to look for love in my own backyard and to have a nice life. He also made it sound like he is cancelling my son's therapy as well and my son is a little boy who loves this T. It is so awful I cannot explain how I feel.

How could he do this to me. This is a 2.5 year deeply close and intimate relationship. I have spent more than 300 hours talking to him about my most deeply private stuff. He knows me better than anyone ever ever did in my life and he abnandoned me. He left me alone with nothing and no one, no resources except the vactaaion ones which he said to use going forward and not just for vacation. It was basically a CYA email. oh he also gave me the names of 3 Ps to call for MeDS. I am NOT depressed I am in horrible grief. I am sad and hurt and in pain and have been abandoned but I'm not depressed in the clinical sense.

How can I ever ever trust anyone again? He promised, swore, wrote down, emailed, repeated and reassured me that he would never leave me. That I should put it out of my mind that he would ever aske me to leave him and it was up to me to decide. He said he would always be there for me. He said to trust him and be open and tell him my fears and abuse and he would never turn away from me. That I could never tell him anything that would make him turm away from me! And he did just that. Even after I told him how I was abandoned by my parents in an emotijoal way and how they would threaten me all the time to send me away and one day they put a big doll in my bed and took me to see it and said they found a better daughter! We cried together over that story. T and I cried over that and he said he would never do that to me and I deserved better. I told him that if he knew me... really knew me he would leave and he said he would not do that it was okay. AND HE LEFT ME. HE NOW KNOWS ME AND HOW DAMANGED I AM AND HE RAN FROM ME. He did not even have the guts to offer me a termination session or even a session with another T a new T for me so we could transition me safely and in a humane caring way to another T.

I am so hurt, sad and disappointed in the human race. I have been hurt over and over again even as I tried so hard to make this turn out differently. You are supposed to trust your T... and look what happeend with I did just that.

I am now profoundly alone. Scared. No medication. No T. No one. I'm driving my few friends away that know about this story. I am not even deserving of having anyone who matters in my life.

I ruined this therapy which meant so much to me. My T is someone I loved and trusted with my life and my son's life. And he abandoned both of us. I ruin everything.

Thanks for listening.
TN
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I just wanted to add that it's okay if no one responds here. I understand. The story is too horrible to imagine or discuss and I realize how it will trigger all of you about losing your Ts. If TN's T would abandon her then why not mine T is what everyone is asking and I'm sorry I don't have a good answer. I NEVER EVER thought my T would do this to me. He was kind, caring, loving, thoughtful, sensitive, sweet, and for a short time I really felt loved by him and that he wanted to protect and care for me in a therapeutic way. He kept telling he he was ending me because he cared about me and cared for me but he walked away in the end abandoning me through an email. He took my voice way when he did that because I have no way to expressing how feel about that email. I have no way to say goodbye in a caring, kind proper way. I cannot thank him for all the GOOD work we did together. I cannot tell him that I love him.

So what I advise if you have anything you need to tell your T don't wait. Tell them now. I'm left with the words I love you and I thank you stuck in my throat for all eternity now and I am left with the legacy of leaving my beloved T in an emergency room crisis center.

I will never recover from this and I don't even deserve to. I won't kill myself but I am already dead. I am the walking dead. Physically here but emotionally dead. This is what my life is meant to be and I deserve nothing better. If I knew how to have a relationship this would not have happened to me. I screwed it all up and hurt both of us in the end.

TN
I’m shocked. I don’t have much to say. I really want to punch him in the face and say WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO TRUE NORTH YOU A HOLE. Thanks for saying that you understand it might be triggering, that was very considerate. I’m sorry I can’t say anything else right now.

(((((((((((((True North))))))))))))
Oh TN I’m so so so sorry there’s no words to express how deeply the anguish and desolation that you are experiencing is affecting me. It’s so absolutely WRONG what he’s done to you wow I really wish I could get you to believe that YOU have done absolutely nothing wrong, it’s not you at all that’s driven him away - I know that’s how you feel that’s what you believe but please know it’s not true.

That is just so terrible how he’s acted - so cruel and so cowardly. TN please don’t think that what you’ve posted is scaring anyone away - to be betrayed like that by your T, someone you trusted so implicitly, whom you love - that counts as one of the most horrendous things a person can endure - and there are loads of us on here who can directly relate to how abominably monstrously bad you are feeling.

God it’s like a nightmare, especially the awful scenario with the police and crisis and your T using the ‘unsafe’ reason to further withdraw from you, I am so mad at him - I know you don’t feel angry at all, you’re swallowed up by the pain and the belief that it’s all your fault - but let me get really angry at him on your behalf - it’s totally unforgiveable how he’s acted towards you.

TN I want you to know I’m sending you all the good will and loving thoughts I have - please stay safe, and please keep posting, reaching out, here where people do have some idea of the horror you are going through.

{{{{{{{{{ TN }}}}}}}}}}}

LL
Hev and MacLove thank you for responding even if the topic of this leaves you basically speechless. I know how hard this can be.

LL...thank you so much for getting angry for me on my behalf. You are so right I cannot find the anger inside of me but I'm sure it's there somewhere. It's just too scary to look at it now and my anger is always turned towards myself as that is what I have always done. Thanks for writing, I have missed you and your posts. How are things going with you?

Draggers, you are wonderful. Yes, the dissociation was getting bad again recently and now I'm doing it at home with my family. If they talk to me I'm not "here". It had really been getting better for awhile in therapy and my T gave me an object to hold in therapy to alert him as to when I was leaving the room. And he taught me to be more self-aware of how I was feeling and how to ground myself back to the present. He worked really hard with me on the whole dissociation thing I was constantly doing when things got scary in therapy. He could spot me leaving before I even knew it.

Jill...you are so sweet and you are so correct, do NOT fall for the therapist. If only that was so easy. I would never have believed I would fall in love with my T. He is SO not my type LOL. I met him and thought...gee I wish he was better looking! LOL and look what happened. But looking at this logically I can see that he has a great resemblance to my own father, who while not abusive, basically ignored me and had no part in my growing up and never defended me from my mother's abuse. My T even loves baseball the way my Dad did. I think I freaked him out a few weeks ago when I told him that I wished I go attend a game with him. That I knew it was impossible but that it was a sort of fantasy that I could not help. But I was mindful and thought through the feelings and came to a sort of peaceful acceptance of that impossibility and that I was happy he could take his OWN son to a game and how happy I was that they had this bonding experience so that there would be one less child whose dad ignored them.

But Jill....let's hope that no one else can join the termination via email club. It's too sad and hard to be here and I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

Thanks for listening
TN
TN

Late again, I'm sorry!

Oh goodness, poor you, I am so so sorry for all your hurt and anguish. I really really cannot believe that he treated you so very badly, that is truly appalling. Traumatised people need constancy and truth and he has failed to provide either to you ...and so little in the way of explanation either, so you are left confused and bewildered and turning all the blame onto yourself. And your son too, that's doubly tough - abandonning two people in one go. Does your son know? Is he going to tell him?...I think I know the answer maybe Frowner

I echo all that others have said: keep safe, keep writing and keep knowing you are not a bad person. There are good therapists out there, believe me, I am so sorry you have been hurt by this one ((((((((((((TN)))))))))))

starfish
Jill...that quote was given to my by my T. He gave me many many quotes... we both love quotes and this was the first one he wrote down and handed to me one day in session. I was speechless and felt to cared for when he did that. It became very special to me as I would tell him of my facing scary things and telling him I was working on looking fear in the face and he would applaud me for my courage. He always encouraged and championed me in taking my baby steps out into the world. I probably have over 100 quotes from him that relate to us and our work together. He seems partial to Eleanor Roosevelt and Maya Angelou but I have others, including baseball quotes. They mean so much to me and it was a very special and healing thing he would do for me. He was so good at appealing to my inner child although he would say to me that he had no idea about inner child work. He did these things instinctively and maybe because he worked so much with children too.

Starfish you are not late. I just posted a few hours ago and I appreciate your response. I am not feeling strong at all but am working on keeping the feelings at bay for now because if I allow them close they will drown me. Typing keeps me focused and thinking of other stuff. Everyone's responses are what is really helping the most and hearing this is not my fault even though it feels like that. I keep looking back and thinking if I had just driven away if I had just not said that then it all would be so different now.

FOT, thank you for all your kinds thoughts and words. I know you better than a lot of people (and Jill and SG and deeplyfriend here) know how gut wrenchingly painful this is.

I think the worst is that feeling of bewilderment, confusion and wondering how this all happened. How did we get to this point where he is calling the police and sending me termination emails? This man who professes to care so much for me was reacting to his own feelings and needs and not mine. I needed him to talk to me in the car not to call the police. I needed comfort and care for a little bit to get myself back together. I did not need threats and police inquiry and standing in the soaking rain less than a week after surgery. That was so cruel and I don't know why he subjected me to that experience. I must live with the idea that I will never know unless he finds it in his heart to grant me a session and will answer some questions.

TN
TN... I can't even begin to express the complete sadness, anger, and bewilderment that I feel for you right now. I really don't know anything to say that could help, but I just wanted to offer support. I do hope you keep posting, because I'm sure a million different things are running through your head about everything, and it can't feel good at all. I'm just so shocked at how cruelly your T treated you. He obviously has a hard time handling himself in unsure situations, but that's his problem to work out, and you should never have been caught in the crossfire.

Endless hugs, TN.
A few more bits of info. Thanks everyone for your support ... it is the only thing helping me and I'm burning down the phone wires with my sister.

The info....he sent me the email at 8:30 last night after I tried to call him all day with no response. I thought he had blocked my number or something but then I even borrowed a phone to call and again no response. What I believe now is that he is away on vacation already and left yesterday and was either in flight or traveling with no cell phone connections. He did say he got my text and in my text I told him that I wanted him to know that I was doing okay and talking to people who can help me and that I needed to talk to him (I wanted to tell him I had 2 Ts lined up and needed to discuss this at our next session on 9/1 and that I wanted to keep that session) I told him on Thursday in the Crisis place that I was not sure about the appt because I could not think straight. I was vastly overwhelmed by the events of the day and still weak and sick from surgery. So in his email to me last night he said he thinks it's better that we cancel the appointment so I can focus myself on selecting and developing the relationship with the NEW T that I will be working with going forward. He again gave me names that I alrady had and told me to find a P for some meds.

I emailed him back and left VMs on his cell phone and his office phone. I pleaded with him to reconsider as I needed at least one termination session or a few transitional sessions. I also asked him not to punish my son for our sins because my son loves him and is very hurt at the thought of not going back. I told him that I cannot live with the thought that our last time together was in the ER Crisis Center and that we had no time to properly wrap up things. And... he still has a few of my things in his office (not gifts but loans) such as a book and the blanket I would keep there for when I needed to wrap up in something soft and secure. We also have insurance matters to clean up as I handle all the paperwork for him.

I also told him that thi termination session is the ethical thing to do but beyond that is the humane and caring thing to do for someone after a 2.5 year deeply intimate intense therapeutic relationship where he now knows all of me and everything that I have never told a soul for years and now that he does know me he realized how sick and damaged I am and he does not want to know me any longer. It is all my worst fears coming true. He said he would NEVER turn away from me no matter what I told him and he did it last night and now I can never trust again.

I don't know if I will ever hear from him.

TN
Hi FOT... he does not know the T I chose but he was on the list of Ts he gave me who work in trauma. I chose this T because he is psychodynamic a MALE and sort of an expert on object relations theory which is sort of the mother of attachment theory and self-psychology. All good things in my case. I am hoping though that this guy is NOT the blank slate type because that will send me fleeing and there is not a huge choice of male Ts in my area who are not CBT Ts. I also hope he is a nice person that I can settle in with because I think this will be a long haul.

I have NO idea how my T is handling his vacation because I cannot see how he can just put all of this out of his mind and make like it never happened. I am starting to suspect that he had a plan in mind all along to have me move onto a new T BEFORE his vacation because he was so freaked out by what happened last year while he was away. I think he tried to move me onto someone else before he left so that he would not have to deal with thoughts of me on his vacation and worrying about how I am doing. I can see this a bit now as I recall our last 8 or so sessions when ALL he would discuss is this woman I should go and see. I also wonder... let me know what you think about this... that he felt less threatened by me seeing this woman who he felt comfortable with and not a male T who is a distant colleague or acquaitance who would then find out all the stuff that he has done WRONG with me. Perhaps he is fearful of professional criticism by another male he sees in the APA or other such professional gatherings. I suggested 2 Ts that used to rent space in his building and whom he suggested as stand in Ts last year but this year when I offered to see them he got defensive and told me they were not right for me with no other explanation. I happen to have spoken to one of them and I felt comfortable with him but my T shot him down quickly.

I cannot imagine how he can just up and leave me with no follow up call the next morning if he was SO concerned about keeping me safe. He left me in the hands of an acquaintance who was supposed to take my medication away from me and who has no training and does not even know the full story. I had no eval at the crisis center by a qualified P just an office worker with no credentials. How could he possibly know what state I was in the next morning after that ordeal when he called the police on me!!? I understand he wanted to go on his blasted vacation but it was his ethical responsibility to follow up on his patient and I was still his patient at the time and see if I'm alive or if I need anything or any services. And it was ME who worked so hard on that vacation contingency plan and now I know why he never made any effort to give me what I needed... because he planned all along to get rid of me before his vacation so he did not need to work with me on the coping plan. I tried for 4 sessions to get to it and he kept distracting me with other stuff that was crazy shit stuff that delayed the session and then we ran out of time. One time I was so distraught I sobbed that he would never let me talk about what I needed to do and he then allowed me to start but he never commented or offered suggestions. He was busy out there contacting Ts to see if they had trauma experience but still....he pushed lady T on me again after I told him NONONONO. I took the paper from him and tore off her name from the bottom and tossed it on his table saying I would never use her as my T... ever. My God she was the one who helped to destroy me and HIM and my therapy. She is the one who was "advising" him causing him to turn our therapy upside down in matter of a week. He became someone unrecognizable to me. He was hard, cold, unfeeling, totally erratic, contradictory and just made no sense. He changed all the boundaries then changed them again. He would not talk to me about therapeutic stuff and cut off outside contact and then began making noises about not sending my son to their summer camp. All of this was freaking me out and the more I freaked the more I tried to hold onto him and made more demands which made him angrier and more distant from me. He totally detached from me from therapy and even from himself because I will not for a minute believe that this is the real HIM. He was speaking someone else's words and each time I confronted him about it he got defensive and said...don't you think I have any sense of my own or any ideas of my own??? Duh ... no like those ideas out of the blue that make no sense and have no relevance to what we have been doing for the last 2 years!

I know i sound good but I was just sobbing on the phone iwth my sister and so it's a minute by minute things

TN
Oh TN you are holding up amazingly well and doing all you can to look after yourself, you’ve done all you can by emailing and phoning him and it must be so so hard knowing he’s just upped and left for holiday without even bothering to check that you are ok.

It is so very strange that he seems to have changed practically overnight - it really sounds like something else is going on, not just the threat to his professional standing because of the poisonous whispers in his ear from that other T. His behaviour over the last few weeks reeks of some kind of pressure or issue that has suddenly come up and which he hasn’t been able to sort out with you in therapy (which means it’s not anything to do with you). The not knowing is the worst, for that reason alone it would be really good if you could have one more appointment with him to get things clearer at least, if not for actual closure. I think Jill is right, ethically he can’t really deny you that final session and from the way you’ve described your relationship I would guess that he would want another meeting with you anyway.

Which doesn’t make it any easier or less agonizing now. I’m really really sorry you have to be going through this profound pain - it really is a one moment at a time thing and I’m so glad you have your sister to talk to about it. You are an amazingly strong and together person TN, but that doesn’t mean you have to keep on being stoic about it all - give yourself as much self love and self care and self soothing as you can, put yourself first with no thought of guilt or obligation - you really deserve to be looked after right now you’re going through absolute hell.

Are you able to get to see another T soon? Sounds like you’ve already done a lot of checking of new Ts and have the mindset to continue in therapy anyway and that’s such a positive thing to be doing - I can hardly overstate how much you now need to be able to resolve all this pain caused by your T and seeing a new T soon could really help with that.

Please be nice to yourself TN, you’re the one who’s been treated vilely here, and it’s his fault!

((((( TN )))))

LL
I wish that he could see what everyone on here has said… just so he knows that everyone thinks he is complete scum for doing this. I agree, I don’t know how he could possibly enjoy his vacation. That might have been his plan to have you move to a new T, but that doesn’t excuse what he did whatsoever. I’m going to bring up termination to my T since we have never talked about it and it seems like even perfectly good T’s can have no COMMON SENSE when it comes to termination. I mean really you would think that’s like Therapist 101- don’t dump your client over an email!

I’m sorry.


And also, I think that just reading the situation, if you are able to get him to at least give you a termination session, you should go and don’t hold back in telling him how much he hurt you.
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TN,

I am just horrified and speechless at what has taken place with your T. I can't for the life of me figure out why he has done what he did and how he can justify any of it ethically or as a human being. I am so sorry that you are going through this. I hope that you get a response from your last email. All of those requests seem not only reasonable, but ethical.

As far as your son goes, I can see how upsetting this will be for him as well. However, I wonder if it would be a good idea for him to continue to see your son in light of what has happened. I think in your shoes that I would seriously be questioning his judgment and I'm not sure that having him care for your son wouldn't be further damaging to both of you (you and your son).

Again, please know that I am thinking of you. I'm sorry this is so painful. (((hugs)))
TN

You are being amazingly brave and strong, despite how you feel inside. I am glad you have a sister you can talk to as well as us here on the forum. There are so many issues from his behaviour to you...I am at a total loss to understand, but it does sound like , as LL said, that he has seemed to be influenced by someone else - that these behaviours and conversations are so different from the T that you knew for so long. And I wonder if he felt out of his depth, of had a supervisor or colleague that advised him diferently and suddnly felt that HE wasn't coping well with your therapy and needed to run. But of course he would find that difficult to admit to, so by far easier to 'blame' you.

I cannot understand why he could not make that termination session - after all if he feels that what he did was legitimate, he should have nothing to hide. And he cannot now make stipulations about who you should or shouldn't see, now that he has cleared off, that's outrageous....you must see who you feel comfortable, and feel free to explain clearly what has happened, without fearing that you might damage his reputation....someone has got to try and help you unjumble what has happened, if not you will never trust a T again.

I am so sorry for your hurt TN, keep strong and try to rest your poor body if you can, you have been through so much in such a short space of time,

starfish
True North this is just awful. Really I have not been able to think of anything to say about this because it is so very awful.

And moreover it is everything we fear. I think that's what's worst, is that they KNOW we deeply fear this level of abandonment and they promise to stay in the boat with us, but then comes the high-tide and we see them swimming off toward shore while we are left with no life jacket, no food, water, no flashlight. Just us left bouncing unsteadily alone in the boat in the cold dark bleary waters.

And we are told it's for our best interests when it's really for theirs. They no longer want to be responsible for anything around us. If we sink the boat with them in it then they have to be responsible for letting us sink. If we sink the boat all by ourselves, then they can absolve themselves of any responsibility, and sadly, of any guilt.

It is a very sad ending True North and I wish you did not have to face an end like this. The police, the crisis center, the threats to call your dh..... all don't seem necessary. More like trying to throw a bunch of stuff in your boat to make him feel better about jumping out.

And Please TN Please do not say you've ruined this therapy. Therapy is a 2way street. He has a responsibility in making sure termination was done in a non-scarring way and he failed.... miserably. You DO deserve to have special people in your life and YOU deserve love. Please don't think you don't. We love you here. We care when you're sick. When you're hurting. And we care when you're in pain. I am sorry T let you down and made you feel "less than". True North you are so much more than his rejection. You know that right?

I am hurt for you. I really am ashamed at the profession and the way I keep seeing T after T do this to patients. What is wrong with THEM!?!? Geez seriously. It does make me very afraid to continue therapy. If it weren't for the few stories of success I've heard over time, I might give it up altogether cause this pain, I know dear TN, is horrible, absolutely heart-wrenching, cruel, and life-shaking.

For what it's worth, True North, I wish I could tie my boat to yours so you don't have to row in these waters by yourself.

((((((((True North))))))))
i'm soo sorry to hear your story and i'm really sorry i won't be able to say much or probably be of any help. all the others have said it much better than me but i also wanted to reinforce that you DIDN'T ruin anything!!!!!
i hope your new T is caring, strong, ethical, supportive... everything that you deserve!!!
Forlorn thank you for that beautiful and touching post. It was very helpful. It seems that there is T after T doing this same thing and hurting patients and destroying trust. They are supposed to "do no harm" and they inflict the very worst harm on people already struggling with trust and abandonment issues.

Puppet thanks for your words. I know this is such a hard and triggering topic.

FOT....you have hit on something I have been mulling over this evening as I discussed things (for the millionth time) with my poor sister. We seem to think that something was driving my T to refer me away quickly and that explains some of the throwing everything at me at once, despite my surgery. And also why he became such a different person to me.

We think that this woman T who he was consulting was perhaps performing some type of supervision on him in this case and she pressured him to end therapy with me because his behavior (treating trauma when not trained or experienced in it) was unethical. Ane perhaps she threatened to take some action in some way that was not good for him or his career. I don't know what a supervisor's responsibility is in all of this. Perhaps she felt she needed to report him?? Maybe this is why he had to push me out so quickly and my surgery threw a wrench into the plan to get me to go. I think she may have said ... send her to me for the trauma stuff and you can do the other stuff like parenting or career coaching (which I need now too). But since I would not see her at all and the more he pushed her on me the more I dug in my heels then he had no choice but to offer up other Ts.

As for his change in personality... I think now because this was hurting him so much and he really did not want to let me go because I started to mean so much to him that he had to totally shut down himself in order to go through with this awful thing. He had to go numb, deny his feelings for me, turn off his empathy and his compassion or he would not be able to follow through. He told me as recently as the last few minutes in the ER that he wished he could take away all my pain and that he wished somehow he could make this all better for me. I was in such a state of shock that night that I could not even take in his words to me. I was very dissociative and my ears would not work. My friend was the one who told me he kept saying that we had an appt on 9/1. But then the following night he terminated via email. I have to wonder if he spoke to the woman T who told him to just end it. But I also wonder how she could endorse an abrupt termination via email as the way to ease a patient into a new T relationship or a way to avoid damaging the patient. No ethical T would advise termination via email.

So while a major part of me is angry and scared and hurt and in pain because of what he did... some of it is starting to make sense in a weird way. I think he has suffered as much as I have and I'll bet you any money that he his having a really awful vacation. How can he not be thinking of this and that email he sent me and the reply I sent him back. How can he go off to the beach or the mountains while he know... and he DOES know that he absolutely destroyed someone's life... a person he cared about very much.

Some part of me thinks he loved me too much and had to leave because he feelings were in the way and he wanted the best for me. And that she forced his hand and he had no choice but to leave me. He tried to find a way to keep me there and of course, that is where I truly screwed it up because I wanted in all the way it was and was not open to just seeing him as MOM of patient and be happy with talking parenting issues with him. Now I have no idea if he has also terminated my little boy and I think my son also deserves a closure session. He would never understand why we have been abandoned by this T who seemed to care so much about my son. I think it will leave him with a really harmful hurtful memory.

I think I may bring up some of this with new T tomorrow. I'm am feeling quite ambivalent about this meeting as I'm not sure I can do anything but sit there and cry. I will look at him and know he is not my beloved T. I will be so scared to talk to someone I don't like or be terrified I may like him and I don't want to go back to attachment hell again. I am so tired of crying and I cannot eat or even hardly drink water. I am so exhausted and my stitches are aching and I'm not healing quite as well as I should be. I think my body just does not have the will or the energy to heal itself any longer. It's all just to hard.

TN
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I've been away from computer access for 3 days, and reading this thread just now is such a shock! I am at a loss for what to say that would make any difference. I am so furious that your beloved T could break so much hard-earned trust and abandon you after all the promises and assurances made otherwise. I cringe to think of the damage, how you now feel dead inside. On the other hand I know your feelings for him developed over 2 1/2 years don't just evaporate, so how could his? That and also his comment when he said, "Yes, for all the reasons you are thinking" makes me want to believe what FOT suggested, that perhaps he is running from his strong feelings for you which he fears he can't handle. It doesn't erase what he did at all, but maybe it would help you stop beating up on yourself because you did nothing wrong! I am just so darn angry and disgusted with him for handling it this way.
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((((TN))))

I just got back to the computer after the weekend and read this. I am so sorry your T ended your relationship and did it in such a cowardly irresponsible way. I wish there was something I could do to help. My thoughts are with you. Go to your new T and say whatever you can. You deserve support and I hope your new T can help give it to you.
Oh ((((((TN))))))

I am SO sorry to read about all of what has happened with your T. Frowner This is horrible, and my heart just aches for you. I hope you can get some sort of closure on all of this, or at least some resolution. I'm so sad for you and know you must be in so much pain over all of this. I too wish there was something I could do to help, but want you to know you are in my thoughts and I hope that things will work out for the best. You are strong, and will come out on top of all of this. Keep pushing forward, TN! Smiler

Lots of hugs,
MTF
Hi True North,
So sorry to hear about what has happened to you, it is such a painful thing to go through. My T was nasty to me too, and hurt me badly, i have come to believe that it is something witin them that cannot handle something that they helped to create, so they push it away, they've got scared and realised they have gone to far. I know that does not help how you feel. Maybe you could see things this way,you will never stop loving him, those feelings are yours and he gave them to you for keeps, they are what made you both special to each other. I now feel hate for my T for doing that to me and not explaining anything and walking away leaving it up to someone else to try to explain. I still love her but she cannot share my life anymore, because i have chosen to not let that happen. I know it is raw and painful now, but i wish for you to be in my place now when you feel ready,and you will have the knowledge that he missed out on being the one to set you free. I know it is not easy to hear this now and i mean no offense, i wish you all the best, try to stay strong and try to deal with one thing at a time, slowly you will get through, you are stronger now, he gave you strength to do this.
With the best intentions.
Take care
Eve
Wow, I am taken aback by some of the recent replies. In TN's defense, even when her T wanted her to see a trauma specialist, he always insisted that he was not abandoning her, and it seems clear to me that he did just that. Abandonment is not the same thing as boundaries! I talked to my own T about this sad situation today, and she just doesn't understand why TN's T could behave this way. My T has NEVER yet abandoned a client in her 20+ years of practice, and I try to believe for my own sake that she never will in the future either. When she's had a client which caused her self-doubt in her ability to treat, she consulted with other professionals, educated herself, and even undertook additional personal therapy in order to be the best therapist she could be and not have to abandon her client. I believe this is the price required if a therapist is truly invested in his professional call to the humankind he/she chose to serve.
Thank you Kashly for seeing that it was not handled in an appropriate way. It's a bit cruel to have me leave the ER with his PROMISE of a session on 9/1 and he words were "I am NOT leaving you". That was Thursday evening and on Friday night he terminates via email from far away on vacation so I cannot speak to him or see him for 3 weeks.

And NO this was not a totaly shock just the method of delivery. He did try to get me to go to a trauma T and said I could come back to him at some point but I rejected that because I did not want to leave as I felt that ... until he detached and refused to do therapy...we were working on real issues and moving along. Things were feeling SO good and SO safe up until July 2nd that I told him I had FINALLY stopped worrying that he would ask me to leave. And I felt good about that.

To make matters even more murky...I was afraid to tell him of my successes because that would mean I have to leave him that much sooner. So I focused on the problems (of which there were more than a few) and did not share my triumphs for the most part with him. So in early July I reviewed my journal and wrote him a long email about what I have accomplished with him and how well he handled my issues and how much I had grown in handling life's adversities of which I never had confidence in handling prior to therapy with him. It did not seem to matter or even make a dent in how he was feeling .. which was inadequate.

I am not bashing my T at all. I still love him and I know he gave me much time and effort. He did so much good for me but it was sad to me that he could not SEE or HEAR this. He also could not share in the victories because he could not "cure" my trauma he could not take in all the other things he did help me with.

Part of why I am so so sad is that I remember his face in the ER. Yes he was panicked in calling the police but I clearly was not in any immenent danger to myself. All he needed to do was to call me in and calm me down. He had the unique ability to calm me down by just looking into my eyes. It would have been fine. I would have gone home and he could have gone on vacation feeling good until September. It just all got out of control and escalated and no one there was able to put things in perspective.

It was the promise of the 9/1 appt on Thurday night with was canceled on Friday afternoon that was so shocking to me.

I saw a new T today. And I got an other email from my T but I'll start an update thread to let you know how it all went. I also have an appt with a T tomorrow night and one on Thursday at 2. The Thursday T I knew from sight and have exhanged a few pleasantries with in the past and I really like him a lot. He is very open and empathic and he spent 20 minutes on the phone with me tonight which really helped to calm me down.

Thank you everyone for your support in this. Kerry even your post made me think about things and no offense taken. Good to have a man's view, I just don't agree with everything you said. I am the first one to be grateful for all the good my T did and all he has given me... Including the strength I am now calling on to survive this terrible loss from my life.

TN
PLEASE everyone... I cannot handle my support group getting angry with each other over this terrible hurt I am trying to bear.

MH... I truly thank you for supporting me and trying to defend me. Hugs to you too.

PG... I was only given the actual names for referral on Thursday night. It was only then that he put it into more direct language. Then he left me with NO therapist, NO medication, NO support. He just left town and then terminated via email AFTER promising me the appt on 9/1 and I have a witness to what he said and she confirmed this to me.

I'll be back later with more comments... have to TRY to eat some dinner now.

TN
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Oh, TN...I hate that you are having to go through this, more than I could ever express. Frowner Frowner Frowner Reading your post on Saturday morning I just sat there feeling so sick with shock and grief for you. (I am sorry for not having responded sooner...since last week I seem to be in one of those "dead" spots again where I can't find words. I hate those. Mad ) You are one of those who comforted and encouraged me when I went through my termination. The descriptions you gave of your sessions with your T were no small part of that. I wish things had not turned around in such a terrible way. Frowner

And while the "writing" may have been "on the wall", so to speak, it is so much easier to see that when you are not in the middle of it. And even if you had seen it, I also know very well that it does absolutely nothing to ameliorate the pain of the ending of such a unique and special relationship. It still hurts like hell, and I expect that it will for a good long while. That's not bashing your T, it's just the simple truth of how you are feeling, and you have every right to feel the way you do. And he clearly did not make a clean break with you, TN, he found it very difficult to let you down, and so he ended up giving you mixed messages, which just made it that much more confusing and painful for both of you. But then, your descriptions of your sessions make it so clear he cared very deeply for you, so how he ended it seems so out of character. I believe his caring for you may very well be the reason why he found it so difficult to remain steady at the end. It is not easy to carry out a decision like that, knowing it will cause pain at first, but ultimately is in their best interests. People opt out of that kind of thing all the time because it is so difficult.

But all of that is small comfort right now, I know...I am so sorry, TN. Frowner Right now I would not worry about figuring out or seeing things from his point of view. I hope your energy goes toward taking care of you. And I hope you were able to eat a little something. Wink I am so glad to see you posted an update. Smiler I will watch for the other one about the meeting with the new T today. Again I applaud you for making steps to move forward to find a new T, despite the incredible pain you are in right now. You obviously want healing, and I believe you will find it no matter what.

Love & hugs,
SG
Thanks SG for offering some words even though it is difficult for you.

PG, no problem. It's easy to misunderstand because this is so complicated. And yes the mixed messages were so confusing to me especially since I was in a highly activated state for over a month and still recovering from my surgery and feeling weak and tired. Thursday was my first day out of the house since the week before. I was not focusing well and since he started with the whole surgery experience and then talked baseball it was not until the last 15 minutes that we began to discuss my coping skills for his vacation. That is when he handed me a list of therapists to call for what "I" thought was back up to his vacation. For a ONE time visit. He said to call one of them to see while he was on vacation with the idea I would stay with them going forward. That was the first time he spoke about it in such direct terms and he NEVER asked me how I was feeling about it. He never said he was sorry it came to this or that he regretted having to do this. He never expressed remorse or interest in how I was taking all of this and there was no time left in the session. I asked him for another 15 minutes to process all of this because my head was literally spinning and I was sick to my stomach which hurt from crying with stitches in it. He said NO even though I offered to pay and no one was waiting for him. That part was cruel and unnecessary. All what followed could have been averted if he just took a few extra minutes to calm me down and allow me to express my fear and pain over his decision. And then he STILL sent me mixed messages.

It's all so horrible and I wish I could just wake up from this nightmare.

TN
You know what Kerry, take a hike. No one asked you to post on this thread and if your wife is so unfeeling then it's just another reason why I avoid female therapists.

I hope you never lose an important relationship in your life and find out how this feels. I have my dignity, thank you. I'm not blaming my T for anything, it's no one's fault. I forgive him, don't hate him, and would NEVER pursue a lawsuit of any kind. He means to much to me even if I never see him again. I would never ever hurt him like that. He will always be an important part of my life and I will carry him in my heart with me forever. And strange as it seems, I'm pretty sure he will do the same with me. I think the basic problem here is that we just loved each other too much to do therapy.

TN
Kerry, why does this have to be a debate? It seems to me that a big reason why this is heating up so much and so quickly is because you say that you are sympathetic to TN's situation, yet so much of what you say comes across as harsh and uncaring. That in itself is going to cause defenses to fly up and block any absorption of the logical side of this.

Also, you (and your wife) are basing your opinions on one side of the story, too. But isn't the dilemma of having three sides to a story an inherent predicament in therapy? Despite this, it doesn't mean that a therapist invalidates someone's pain because they know they are receiving a biased account of the story. A good therapist listens and helps you work towards the truth, or at least a truth that helps promote positive self-growth. I'm sure we can all agree that that is a process that takes time, and a beneficial truth isn't apparent to the person at the beginning.

I just saw that you edited your post, Kerry, and I hope you realize that all you are doing is making a bad situation worse. It is quite obvious that your method of confronting someone with whom you disagree is very different than what most on this forum are used to. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but please don't attack others. If you don't like what TN is doing, just don't read it. I'm sure you can see that you are hurting and not helping the situation.
Welcome to the forums, Kerry. I am terribly sorry to hear of the loss of your son. I have two daughters and one of them is nine years old. When I imagine the worst possible thing happening, it is that either of them would be killed. So you and your wife have my heartfelt sympathy.

But please, Kerry. This is a support forum, not a courtroom. We are not here to pass judgment on each other, but to offer support in moving forward and growing in therapy. TN has just been through a terrible ordeal and she came here seeking support while she moves forward. And she is, in fact, moving forward. Perhaps not exactly the way you would, but still making progress. She is not sitting down and refusing to move. She saw a new T today and has appointments with two others this week.

I really feel for her in particular because I was also terminated suddenly. There were times I wrote things that may have been seen as blaming or ripping on my T, but I really did want healing, so if I did that then I'm grateful that I received some grace to work through it. One of the things I valued about this forum was being able to express my feelings and work through what happened at my own pace. And I did get through it and go on. And I do see things a bit differently now. But it was the compassion that helped move me through so I could make the logical conclusions on my own, which meant a whole lot more than someone throwing it in my face when I was down.

So Kerry, would you please temper what you are saying with some kindness and tact? And if you prefer a more in-your-face approach, then there are probably lots of forums that might be a better fit for you. And yes, I realize this is a public forum and you have the right to stay and say whatever you want (as does your wife, as you pointed out she will be joining soon). But no matter how truthful what you are saying might be, there is no chance of it being helpful if you alienate the person you are trying to help. And that is what I see happening with your particular approach.

SG
Kerry, hi

I think you of course have every right to post and say as you please, it is sometimes really helpful to get the other side of the coin. But I think that has to be tempered with some sensitivity and knowledge that of course we can't know both sides of every story. Personally it seems to me that TN's T acted out of self care, that for whatever reason he felt unable to continue seeing her and supporting her, maybe he was in too deep and wasn't coping - we'll never know. BUT I also feel that he had a duty of care to ensure that she was in a good enough place to do this safely. After 2.5 years one would have hoped that his lines of communication were better than a swift termination and broken promise to meet and discuss. Personally I have always known that my T would not see me if she felt that she was not strong enough to give me the support I need, for whatever reason. That would be hard, but of course I accept that...what I would expect though (and am pretty sure I would get), is an explanation from her as to WHY she had to terminate. That wouldn't help in my being T-less, but would help me understand the reasons and perhaps prevent me from internalising everything and heaping up the self-blame. When explanations are not given, it can lead to a lot of hurt and misunderstanding.

I also wondered about your comment

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but that is not my style. I am a person who WATCHES HIS SON DIE, and then I get up and deal with it. In an appropriate manner. I don't manipulate with threats of suicide, and when that doesn't work out lash out at anyone who does not feel sorry for me. There are so many people out there who are so much worse off than this


I am really sorry that you had to watch your son die, I cannot even imagine how hard that must have been at such a young age too. I am glad too that you had the wherewithall to 'get up and deal with it', but some people haven't got those resources. I had a bereavement that was sudden and traumatic and nobody to talk it through with, so I got on and dealt with it, ie carried on and told myself all was ok. It wasn't, but only now am I accepting that I couldn't deal with it then and need help too with that one now. I am glad you had the support to grieve and deal with it, but you cannot maybe assume that others will be able to do likewise. Our childhoods and life experiences are all so different, some of us have unfortunately been 'getting on and dealing with it' since we were just todders Frowner so need extra guidance and support to manage issues now; our foundations perhaps are not as robust as others.

Also I worry about your use of 'threats of suicide' - from someone who has been bereaved by a suicide, I would say that all threats should be taken seriously, you just unfortunately never know. I have felt a couple of times in a similar position, my T has only ever offered me care, understanding and a support system at the time to get me through that difficult period. No dramas, no blame, no police calling - just a careful listening to where I was at and why, and a strategy to keep me safe and supported.

starfish
All,

"Kerry" is a forum troll, plain and simple. There's no way to have a reasonable, respectful discussion with a troll because their sole aim is to inflame and cause trouble while arguing that they're only trying to contribute to the discussion.

There's offering a contrarian view in a sensitive and respectful way that's consistent with the tone and culture of the forum, and then there's what "Kerry" is doing, which is creating a flame war with his "hey, I'm just givin' it to ya straight, man style!" crap.

Don't buy the lie, and don't feed the troll.

Russ
Hi all, I really do not think that there is anything else to be said, i think Monte said it all, most of us on here are struggling and would not be here if we did not have issues. Dont you hate it when someone tells you to just pull yourself together, and get on with it. Basically what Kerry has said was hurtful, what if we had said when his son died "never mind we all die in the end" not nice!! sometimes we need empathy not sympathy, and a place to talk to people in the same situation, which is here. Narrow minded people do not fit in here. If you need empathy and support then you have cone to the right place Kerry! But seing as you seem to have all the answers, then we are not able to you. Good luck!
Eve
Russ is absolutely correct. Trolls have been around as long as there have been Internet forums. It is some kind of miracle that they aren't more common on here, considering that almost everyone who posts here is somewhat fragile emotionally, sensitive, and vulnerable to attack. Add to this the fact that this is the most understanding and accepting group of people I have ever encountered, always willing to give everyone a chance... Well this place is like heaven for trolls... Or disgruntled former-members taking on a second username in order to lash out. Ahem.

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