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***Minor triggers - references only to past SU/SI thoughts, intimacy issues, etc.***

Hey all. I've been wanting to do a therapy update for quite a while, but I really can't think of what to say. Everything feels really intangible right now, as I've said elsewhere...hard to describe. I guess I could go topically.

Things at home are more stable. H has been more understanding of my needs and is voluntarily avoiding intimacy while I'm processing stuff that makes it very difficult. He's feeling really disconnected as a result, so I've been making a real effort to connect in other ways, just simply spending time together, other physical affection, etc. Boo is having fun at school, some hard partings with separation anxiety, but they say she falls into her little routine really quickly once I leave. Other than being really sick the last week or so, I am getting more accomplished and preparing to take on a temporary job during my friend's maternity leave (which unfortunately, may restrict my access to therapy sessions for a while).

It still takes me about half a session for parts to be enough on the surface for T to work with them, so it's often slow going. T is really good with them when they're out, sitting close with Little Yaku and holding her hand when she is sharing very hard stuff (mostly images and body memories). Several weeks ago, she actually popped out and talked and said who hurt her and how she was threatened and for a couple weeks after that, it felt (to her) like a memory, not something she was currently experiencing, and to me like it was true. But, it kind of faded or I gave it back to her, so it didn't stay with me and we are going through all those memories (and more) again, abreacting. Frowner It can get pretty distressing and exhausting, but the trust is building, because she is reaching out to T on her own. Kind of embarrassing to come back to myself realizing that at some point, she has grabbed T's hand and started squeezing it really tight, but T is very sweet about it, of course. It's really hard to share parts stuff on here, because I feel like I sound ridiculous and always think maybe I come off as a liar. Frowner One session the body memories were so bad that I yelped and she whimpered and threw the stuffed animals we bring and hid in a corner. That is the type of stuff I'm dealing with right now and I'm very lucky to have a T who is unphased.

My biggest struggle right now is working through all this internal invalidation. It is a real hindrance to therapy, because it gets to the point where even things I know cognitively to be true (like recent memories, my own current feelings, my own needs) feel like they are false or lies or manipulations. So, it is insanely hard to integrate any of the things my parts are sharing with me and hard to accept my T's time/care, because I feel like my need for his help isn't real. So, I've been making a real effort to label anytime that invalidating "voice" asserts itself and T and I talk it through together. I'd say at least 75% of it centers around that I am either making up this bad stuff my parts share (because nothing bad ever happened to me) or I am making up the parts themselves.

I recently brought out my old binder of poetry written from around 13 to 18 and found a lot of poems in there, only some of which I remember. Many of the poems referenced different pieces, fragments, moments, lives of myself that are different than me, images of little children and older women (both of which correspond to current parts), memories that I wasn't sure whether they belonged to me or another me, voices inside, and even early descriptions of body memories that are now linked to specific events parts are sharing. I didn't remember ever conceptualizing or knowing these things before now, except I remember having voices back then and thought it was normal. Some of the poems, like I said, I remember. Others, it's like I didn't even write them and if I hadn't reread them when I compiled them at 18, they would have probably been completely unfamiliar. Intellectually, that makes sense as I had a really sudden personality shift around 17-18 and most of the poems were written before that when I felt all the time like a certain part inside always feels (where most the SU/SI stuff comes from).

You would think finding something like this would be confirming, relieving. First, it terrified me. Then, I thought, "Maybe I'm not lying about all this stuff." An instant later, "I must be making this all up." I thought, well, maybe I was making it up for attention back then." That doesn't make sense as I had no idea about dissociation or parts or psychology at all and I still have never taken a class. So then, I thought, you are just reading what you want into some teen girl's attempt to be deep, to use metaphor to describe her sense of alientation. So, it doesn't seem to matter how things seem to make sense, I go straight to denial as defense. I get a lot of the reasons behind it, but it is exhausting. T is very good about slowing me down always trying to make sense with things, but sitting with the conflict is exhausting. Nearly every time I see my FOO (which is still pretty often), the invalidation escalates for a few days. I saw an older sister and younger sister yesterday and came out convinced for a few hours that nothing is wrong with me and I shouldn't even be in therapy...

My sessions were pretty regular for a while, but T's schedule has gone insane and I have gotten busy, so now I can't get sessions at the same day/time. T really prefers to offer me the double-sessions, as it takes so long for the parts to open up, but he can't do those at night and I am having trouble finding time during the day. The phone sessions are also nearly useless for anything but administrative stuff and connecting. I've started to push back on the scheduling. I may be shooting myself in the foot, but protective parts have decided that we can't put so many time slots on hold until T figures out where I will fit every single week. We kind of had a big rupture on this topic last week, but it worked out OK. I am willing to accept less time (1.5 hours) if I can get times of day that work better for me. And, if two in-person sessions don't work out and I can't make the phone call, I will muddle through. It won't feel good, but I feel like I can survive, function, during this busy period, so I should try. I know it's kind of a replay of stubborn independence in the face of lacking consistency, but I'm OK with that. Wink It's a season we're in where both T and I have more obligations and we both trust God that things will be OK if sessions don't work out. I guess it is an indication of stability that I don't feel panicked by the fact that he couldn't make Wednesday night work this week and I most likely cannot do our Friday.

T has been a lot more consistent on the texting thing. I've gotten better at identifying when I need replies too. He holds hands with the child parts via text, kind of a reminder to them that the connection exists outside of session, even when they can't see him in person. It was actually his idea. He says the idea is for them to internalize the connection (like how Little Yaku took inside the blanket that T put on her during a session) and eventually also have God inside too (visualizing it as T and the kids and God all being connected together). So, I know the hand-holding stuff won't be forever, which is simultaneously good (I feel like I'll "grow up" and won't always need this current level of support) and bad ("No, no, no! I don't want to let go! There will never be a time when I don't need T!").

Anyway, so I am having a lot of back and forth with the little kids getting really close for a while and then older ones stomping their feet and yelling, "I'm big already! I don't need ANYTHING from you! Go away!" Lots of fun for my T, I'm sure, but he is steady, so it will be OK. Just no fun for me to experience.

The hardest thing I think I'm going to have to deal with in the near future is one of my more avoidant parts apparently has some trauma related to some bad stuff by basically the closest thing the younger parts had as an attachment figure. I don't know if the intention was bad (it could have been protective/misguided), but the actions themselves are really destructive and (logically) make a lot of sense and explain so much, but am still having a hard time reconciling different parts having such divergent feelings about the same person.

Hrm, what else? Oh, driving has been consistently safe, which was a worry for a while. It seems like since getting parts out in the open, the distress level has decreased and I am less likely to blank out anywhere other than therapy, although I still have my H telling me I said or did or agreed to stuff I have absolutely no memory of from time to time. I battle back and forth between believing him and doing what I used to do, which is just assume he misremembered or (in the case of other family members) is manipulating me. But, not so much in the way of scary dissociation stuff lately. I think it's because therapy is stable and my stress level has been fairly low, but we are coming up on the holidays, my birthday and then the anniversary of when the incident happened two years ago...so, add that to working more and doing memory/parts work in therapy and I kind of feel like I'm in the calm before the storm here. And, it isn't even that nice of a calm...

But, overall, I feel like I'm doing really well, maybe better than I have been since starting therapy. Kind of like that phase one groundwork has been laid and it's pretty safe where we're at. Wow, for not feeling like I had much to say, I sure wrote a lot of nothing. I don't know if I'll be able to leave it up or if it will cause all sorts of ridiculous projections and then PAD-deletion, but I have had a few people express wanting to hear where things are at, so I'll put it out there for as long as I can and see if it feels safe to leave it up or not. Smiler
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Liese, Monte, DF...thanks for the replies. Smiler

So, my temp job may have started today. My friend went to her doctor's appointment and had high blood pressure, so they made her go to the hospital to see if the doctor wants to induce tonight. That means I'll be staying over with her two kids (almost 8, 1.5) and Boo (3) and taking over watching our mutual friends' children, (almost 2, 6.5), bringing the older kids to school, keeping Boo from going all Lord of the Flies on the younger ones. It will be...interesting. I'd only have all five kids so long as she is in the hospital or until her H comes home and takes over. Needless to say, exhausted and stressed just from one afternoon as I had my other childcare gig right before going to help her during her appointment. It will be ok.

It was weird to see my writings. I guess what I'm saying with the remembering parts is that there are some of them I almost remember word for word and some I can't imagine ever having written. Not like I think I didn't write them or anything, but I certainly don't ever remember having this idea of internal otherness...so, it was a real mind trip to see that. But, in general, I can remember really well most things I've written (sometimes quote whole bits of it) or said out loud. It's not often stuff I write seems completely alien to me, even long ago. Something about telling a story, narrating in that sort of way, really codes stuff for me. I hear most of the stuff I write spoken in my head to me anyway, which may be normal or not...I don't know. Anyway, I have a good auditory memory, so maybe that's why? Who knows?

The funny thing is, even with my feelings, I find I can invalidate them. I mean, sure, when I'm sharing body memories and real pain and real fear in the moment it seems real to me. But even a second later, I think I must have faked it, because I suddenly feel very different (yay, dissociation). And, in the moment I am distressed, I have this sense like, "I could turn this off if I really had to." So, that makes me feel it is fake. It is not so overwhelming that I can't rid myself of it in a do or die scenario, so it does not count, however I am feeling. I told this to my T and he disagreed that feelings have to be overpowering for them to be real, I guess with the sudden shifting, that's how it seems to me. I do the exact same things with needs. Something T offers will really help, will make things so much easier to process...but, it is not a need, because I can bare minimum survive without it. So, it is not justified, it is invalid, it is not a need. There is very little I feel valid even calling a need for myself. So, for me, working with feelings vs memories both feel the same. Both feel invalid.

No travel for H for a while, which is a mixed bag. It is certainly easier to process the really hard stuff when there isn't the need to be at all close/intimate with another person. I mean, sure, my daughter, but caregiving closeness does not feel vulnerable to me. However, having my friend and partner and child's father around is so helpful.

Anyway, off to put kid #1 to bed!
(((Yaku)))

I've missed you around here and I can see that you've been quite a busy person. Thank you for sharing your experiences with all of us. I really can identify with your experiences and feelings of wondering if people question your truths. I have the same fears, too, with my own experiences, memories, etc.. When I read your writings, Yaku, I can tell that everything you write comes from the heart and that each experience you share is in the utmost honest nature. I believe in you, Yaku. I believe what you say, and I believe you are an incredible person who is so strong for sharing, processing, all while handling a job & family. You are definitely an inspiration.

Glad to have an update and hear that things are going well for you even in some of the more challenging work we experience in our lives.

Love, Brokes
Yaku thanks so much for posting an update on where you’re at. I’m sorry things are getting really hectic for you now, and even sorrier that your schedule with T is being messed up. It sounds like you’re not overly fazed by it though and have things in place to keep you afloat.

I love hearing about the work you do with T – he sounds wonderful – and it also sounds like you’re really progressing (though it may feel crap.) I’m sorry you’re having to deal with painful body memories, my heart cried when I read how you ended up having to hide in a corner (((( Yaku )))).

I get the way you describe what you’re doing in therapy now as being somehow ‘intangible’. That actually sounds very positive, that things are shifting and changing on a deep level that can’t be articulated or seen in the exchanges with T themselves.

There’s something you said in your second post that leapt out at me and I want to comment on it here (you’ve actually talked about this before but it’s the way you worded it here that resonated with me).

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in the moment it seems real to me. But even a second later, I think I must have faked it, because I suddenly feel very different (yay, dissociation). And, in the moment I am distressed, I have this sense like, "I could turn this off if I really had to." So, that makes me feel it is fake. It is not so overwhelming that I can't rid myself of it in a do or die scenario, so it does not count, however I am feeling.


Wow this is exactly what I’ve just been talking about in therapy (and struggled with for years as well). That sense that unless a feeling is so overwhelming and terrible that I can’t control it no matter what I do, then it’s not a ‘real’ feeling, not authentic, not genuine, something that I’m making up. And as I can stop feeling very easily, just as you describe even in the feeling itself, I could turn this off if I had to (in fact I do anyway, it’s automatic) that means that not only don’t I get to express the feeling – which gets stuffed away to add to the pile of other stuffed feelings inside – but I experience it all as fake, unreal, meaningless and can’t possibly be taken seriously by anyone, most of all me.

Where did this sort of message come from? Is it external, or an internal defensive thing? Even when I do manage to feel something and actually express it, immediately afterwards whatever reality and meaning it’s had for me disappears. The status quo reasserts itself and I lose all connection to that inner reality, as if it’s not real or true and just some childish attention seeking ploy in the first place. Now I don’t dissociate, but I certainly disconnect. It’s very easy for me to be aware of a feeling surfacing and instantly switch it off. I so long sometimes just to BE overwhelmed so I could have the luxury of actually feeling something without being able to switch it off or stuff it away and thus experience it as meaningless and inauthentic. Famous last words maybe Roll Eyes

What do you think would get you past this automatic self invalidation? I’d be really interested to hear what you think, because with the best will in the world, I really struggle with keeping away from that switch.

I'm glad you didn't succumb to PAD and kept your post up Smiler

Sending you big hugs (((((( Yaku ))))))))

LL
(((Broken))) Thanks for believing me! I think that may mean more than anything and that may be why my T is safe...just being validated and believed. There was such a void of that and it's hard for me to endure.

(((LL))) Wow, thanks for relating so much. I realize invalidation is common for trauma and all that, but sometimes I think I am the only crazy-@$$ person who does these things. Big Grin Not crazy, just hurt and a pretty normal reaction.

In my case (I've labeled it before on the forums, I think), but I've had specific internal information that there are pretty much two sources for invalidation for me.

1) My dad brags that as young as Kindergarten, whenever I would come home and tell him what I learned in school, he would debate me devil's advocate style until he convinced me what I learned was wrong and he was right. Then, when I agreed with him, he would switch sides. He called it teaching critical thinking. I think, with an older child, maybe there is not so much wrong with it, but with a young child (and with one who you also repeatedly shame or otherwise show it is shameful to be "wrong" about anything), probably not the best idea. So, me believing strongly in anything causes an immediate internal attack, because it is better to tear myself apart than to be caught being wrong by someone else.

2) Reality in my mom's house during my preteens and teens changed daily, if not hourly. Things would be said or done and then you would bring them up only to be told they didn't happen. Or, you were told you did and said things you didn't do/say (though, turns out some of that is true, whoops!). It extended even to emotions. The best case scenario was being told, "I don't care" in response to your feelings. The worst case scenario was usually getting kicked out, threatened, stuff getting thrown and broken, etc. The most CONFUSING response was just to be told that you didn't feel how you felt. This might be either that the feelings you expressed were "too much" (you must be exaggerating, because those feelings are way too big in response to the situation) or that they were outright untrue (implying you were a liar or didn't know any better). A recent example? My mom tried to force money on me that she couldn't afford to give me and I had no inclination to take, because money from my mom is like a noose around your neck and I haven't depended on her for anything in way over a decade. So, I tried to set boundaries and she said she had a right to violate them as my mom. Confused Then, she said that I was being nasty, hurting her feelings by refusing her help. I told her it hurts her feelings when she doesn't respect my boundaries. She replied, "No it doesn't," matter of factly. Not questioning it, but just stating that what I said was untrue. She basically shoved the money through my door and ran after that. It took me all afternoon/night texting her to convince her to be OK with me giving it back. Exhausting. So, with scenarios like that, I think learning to invalidate yourself is the easier route to always having to fought to be heard, to be believed, acknowledged, respected. If I stilled live with her or depended on her in any way, it's not a war I could win. That's why my boundaries are a lot stronger around what I will accept/receive from others than what I will give/offer. People will rarely invalidate your being nice, giving...and it's a powerful position to be in. Except, instead of using it to manipulate like my mom does, I just ignore the "debt," and bank it in order to be "safe."

Anyway, that's my internal analysis on the matter. I don't even know if such an explanation was wanted, expected, warranted...but there it is. Big Grin
Yaku I'm literally falling asleep at the keyboard after the past 2 crazy days but I wanted to at least make a few comments.

It's no wonder that you cannot trust or even know what your perceptions of things truly are after all the invalidation from your FOO. It is truly crazy making what your dad did to you as a child. As you say, that may be fine with a teen but not a child who needs mirroring and not confusion over her feelings and total inconsistency.

I can relate to that telling you how you feel is not really the way you feel. I used to get that a lot from my mom to the point where I had NO idea what I felt and I still get confused. I have told my T that I don't even know the words for feelings. I only have a few and I need to learn them from him.

I'm also sorry therapy has been up in the air schedule wise with your temp job. I think you are handling this very well which shows real growth on your part. I'm glad your T is working with the little parts and the holding hands and sitting on the floor with her. he is a good T. I'm sorry that the works is so scary and hard. The hiding in the corner was hard to read and I felt sad for you. I remember hiding in the corner myself from someone who wanted to hurt me. It's still so clear in my mind and I was 7 back then.

I was glad to hear from you and to have an update on your therapy. I like reading about how your T works with you. Keep up the great work!

Hugs
TN
((((TN))))

Thank you for taking the time to reply on this thread in the midst of all you have been dealing with and processing this week. It was so hugely validating to have you connect with my confusion. It means so much, truly.

It ended up that I was able to get a Skype session with my T today, as I was able to get the kids to nap at the same time and T was more than willing to do a session. It ended up mostly just chit-chat, but it felt OK, good even, to be reminded how much I genuinely like my T as a person and not just as some sort of magical attachment figure. He is funny, goofy, nice, playful, wise and humble. He's not perfect, he's not who I wish he was (a friend or a mentor or a parent who I could keep in my life in a larger way than the T-relationship allows). But, he is someone I like just as he is and can really trust and be safe being me with. That feels good. It is very good to feel good in the midst of the chaos that feels like it's about to descend on me. And I only feel slightly guilty that we didn't really "work" today. Smiler
Yaku, you are very welcome.

You know sometimes it's okay to just have a lighter session that keeps the connection and allows you to take a few deep breaths between the trauma work. I experience these kinds of sessions with my T now and then. We kinda talk about day to day stuff and joke around and banter. That usually means the adult is fully in charge and the emotional personality is in hiding. But that's okay. All of this works to strengthen the connection so you can refuel to dive back into the really hard emotional stuff.

I am glad you were able to get your Skype session today. I know how wonderful it is to spend time with someone who is so safe. It's a real gift.

Hugs,
TN
Hi Yaku

what a lovely post about your current therapy sessions. You are doing a lot of great stuff and have a lot in your life at the moment. and you sound like you are doing so well.

I love how you described your skype session - you appreciate T just for being him and have such an acceptance of who he is and realise what he isn't for you. You like him, you appreciate him, you trust him and you are safe with him - and it feels good and secure.

I am reminded how chaotic and confusing your therapy work and life must be with your parts. I cannot begin to comprehend but I am always in awe at how you cope so well. Thanks for sharing your story.

SD
(((SD))) Thanks for your support. I don't think what I am doing is any harder, really, than anything I've heard anyone else on here is facing. When I hear others describe their therapy work, I am always in awe too! It's hard work for you too, I know, so direct some of that awe and amazement at yourself as well! Big Grin

OK, so yesterday sucked. First, I have realized that me being super-functional is incompatible with trying to do any parts work. It wasn't just the time limitation, it was like being completely locked down. I was in utter distress for over an hour without being able to identify at all where it was coming from.

T read a story, but it just made the little one want to cry, because he felt so far away (like she was in a maze and could hear him on the other side of a wall, but couldn't find the way out). I tried to color, left-handed, drew a circle and then lots of, "It's wrong!" and paralyzed. I couldn't think of anything to draw. I couldn't draw without thinking (which is ridiculous, as I sketch in my notebook all the time during therapy, but once drawing becomes an activity, the kids freeze up).

Little Yaku spent about 1/2 the session on the verge of tears, but I couldn't cry. That having to puke sort of feeling, but with tears. She just wanted to be close to T and I couldn't get out of the way, so she was sad. It's one thing to let T meet her needs when she is doing memory work or things are really distressing. It's another thing when it is just because she is a very sad, lonely child who was ignored or shamed or rejected or abandoned and she just wants his love and care and comfort so much. I am still struggling with what to do with the latter. Plus, it's not like he will really hold her while she sobs for minutes or an hour or something about being scared and alone, so those things just go unexpressed.

T offered to read more stories, offered to play, offered many things, but it was like I had handcuffs on. The good news is that I am doing OK today, even though things aren't as locked down (so probably less functional), and I have a session at his other office Wednesday night, probably 9:00 pm, but there is a slim chance he might be able to get me an 8:00 pm. However, taking a Wednesday means at least a five day wait until my next session right now, so good thoughts toward that gap would definitely be appreciated.
Hi Yaku, so sorry your session was not what you hoped/wanted it to be. Sometimes we just have those off days when we cannot seem to get past being sort of numb or frozen and nothing seems to work. I wonder if that's a message from our bodies that they need a break. It has happened to me with both my T's so it's not unheard of.

It's good to know that despite the session you are doing okay and handling things. I hope you get a session very soon and that it all works out for you.

You mentioned that you are on the verge of crying but could not do it. What do you think would happen if you let go and just cried? Can you pinpoint your fears? It took me about six months to cry silently with oldT. And then I didn't cry much, just here and there.... until the very end when I was grieving. Then I cried loudly and with many tears.

With new T when I met him I was in such awful condition I could not get two sentences out without sobbing for periods of time. Now I cry with him all the time. He encourages it telling me how good it is and how cleasing. That tears tell us things and we should listen to them. Last week he told me he heard the child crying because of how I sounded, he knew it was someone young. I am okay with it because he is so good and comforting when I cry.

Thanks for sharing your session,
TN
(((TN)))

No worries. I think the hardest part is that I wanted it to be a light, relaxing session, yet certain parts seemed to insist on being distressed. I think I get super-repressed (doesn't everyone?) when I have to be really functional, so I become a strict, nasty parent in terms of containing everything, which I guess is painful inside...have to work on that, I suppose. Smiler

I have a Wednesday night session, so I'm covered. It is another "short" (i.e. long for almost anyone but me, yet I still can't seem to utilize the 1.5 hour period almost at all) session, but that's all we can do while I'm working and T is so busy. It means I have to wait five days until the next one after tomorrow night, but it also means seeing T in person twice, which has Little Yaku doing happy dance type stuff. We're making a sock horse to live in his other office, like the monkey that lives in this one. She likes his other office better and LOVES horses, of course, so she is super excited to give it to him. Last week was his birthday (his stupid Skype profile notified me) and I didn't feel right giving him a present, really, so this kind of kills two birds with one stone, as I am giving him something, but it is really kind of a reverse transitional object, so he has something of hers there in that office. He displays the sock monkey proudly on the shelf above his desk and gets it down pretty much every time he sees me and often makes comments about it. I told him last night that I'm starting to really think he enjoys the coloring and stuffed animals and books and all that more than I do. He said, "That might be true," and grinned. He gets SO unashamedly excited to do that sort of work with me. I know he used to work with kids, but does mostly couples and men now, so maybe he misses that? Also, he's kind of just a big, goofy kid himself a lot of times. I really don't know how I found my way to this guy. It's a literal miracle to me at times. He is by no means perfect and he irritates me from time to time and of course I want to run away like every other week, but he is so open to whatever method of working will best meet the needs and progress our work together, even if it stretches him, means trying new things after years of doing things a different way or not working with very many trauma clients. I guess you probably don't do hard work like that for 30 years unless it is really a calling.

What I mean by not crying is that I want to let go and cry, desperately, try to let it out, but it doesn't come. If T held me for several minutes, I would probably be able to cry. Obviously NOT going to ask for that. I have to assume the man has SOME boundaries. Well, I mean that he has said is comfortable with the level of contact we're at right now, sitting up next to each other, arm-to-arm, holding hands, a friendly pat or nudge, goodbye hugs once in a while. I don't think he wants to go further.

The other way I can cry is if someone else's pain resonates with mine, then I can kind of cry over their situation and have vicarious crying over my own pain through that. I have occasional single tears come out like once every five or six session or they well up, but not enough to come out. It feels just like I described, like when you're hovering over the toilet, because you feel like you're going to be sick, but nothing ever comes. Or kind of like dry heaving but nothing comes out. It's excruciating. I don't know if the problem is even me. I have another sort of protector part whose job is disconnecting from people and not caring about anything and that part gets SUPER angry whenever I am near tears, which makes me tense, so I wonder if the inability to let go is more complicated, but I literally have no idea what to do about it. OK, may have to delete that in a bit, because all sorts of projections about how crazy I sound or how it comes across as me making stuff up. Roll Eyes

I used to be mortified (before we started doing parts work) whenever T would notice me sounding/looking like a child or a teen. Now, it just makes me feel safe, because I feel less invisible to him. It's like, "OK, you REALLY see me. That feels good." I know my T would be good and comforting too if I (or any part) could cry in front of him...but it's not just him. I can't cry alone without it being provoked by empathy. The last times I really let out that kind of thing were when I was in a REALLY dangerous place with sensitive issues type stuff and then two weeks after I found out about the incident with H, which was basically my entire world falling apart. Then, all that got put away and I was "fine."
Yaku...you don't sound crazy to me or like you are making this all up. You are clearly struggling with this and it just sounds like you have a part that is blocking the emotional release. And maybe it's for a good reason (for now) and when the time is right it will happen. You are being protected for a reason.

Your T sounds like such a fun, sweet guy. I love that he is so playful with you and the sock animals. I sort of feel the way you do that it's a true miracle that I found my T. I was in such a haze of active trauma that I couldn't even focus or think clearly. Somehow I ended up on his doorstep and he took me in and has been tending my wounds ever since. I am not a big believer but I have to believe that I was somehow led to him by my guardian angel.

So you see T tomorrow again? That's great. I hope you can have that session that you want to have and that it helps you.

Hugs
TN
Yaku,

Have you ever thought of asking T what he would do if you did cry? ie what would he say, would he sit closer, leave you alone etc etc. I had similar fears and difficulties around crying to you and I would ask T over and over what she would do, so I could be sure that her reaction would not be the negative one I knew from childhood. She also would ask me in turn what I would or wouldn't like her to do in order for me to feel safer.

I'm not the graetest at crying, but if and when I do, I have a safety with my T now, which helps a bit.

Keep at it, it will happen when it's right and feels safe for you

starfishy
TN - I hope you're right that the emotional release will happen eventually. It sometimes feels like my inner world, so-to-speak, is some sort of pound and all the cute little animals are locked up in tiny cages, just barely being given enough food and water to not die. And for 30 years, that was enough...but it's just not anymore. My T is super sweet and fun and when I talk about him, I get the embarrassment of Little Yaku piping in, "I love Dr _!" Embarrassed I'm so glad you found your T too. I just knew he would offer you the sort of things my T does, because the things he says often remind me of my T. Except, I think your T probably has better boundaries.

Starfishy - I actually did pose that question to T in a journal that we went over in a session and my fears that I would be a "zoo exhibit" (like, "Look, Mom, that animal got hurt!") and he would just sit there, staring. He balked at the term and still gets really confused when he heard it. At the time, we weren't doing touch. It was before he even researched how he felt about it, though it had been coming up in my journals for a while already. He never gave any reply to what he would do at the time, but said the feelings inside him were the furthest thing from what I was describing. I know he wouldn't be distant or bothered by it. I trust that. But, I still don't think he'd offer what Little Yaku wants, which is to be held tight until she's done crying, so lots of restriction there on letting that out. We are already usually sitting on the floor, right next to one another when she wants to cry. Sometimes, we're already in contact, and she kind of pushes forward a little and wants to lean into him and have his arm around her. It's worrisome, because it seems like she just will always want more and more, but T says that's not true...she just needs to feel safe and comforted and she won't escalate forever.

Monte - I have communicated about crying with T quite a bit, how I can't do it, what Little Yaku wants when she feels like she has to cry. There is very little that gets posted here anymore that hasn't been processed with T to some degree first. I absolutely know that T would give a hug. He has offered, for example, to read another part's poems with her and give her a hug after for her pain. But, I am not kidding, this little (ugh, that angry protector--probably the equivalent of your Ogre--says "brat") one would literally spend a whole session just being held if she could. That is basically not something that happened. Holding was for being carried somewhere and not much else. I snuggle my daughter regularly, so I just cannot imagine how two parents can have absolutely no inclination to do that past when a child gains independent mobility...even to push a child way. As a big sister and mom, it has been instinctive for me to be affectionate to my kids. Anyway, like I said, it's not that I don't think my T would comfort, but the only thing this little one seems to find comforting is like being held tight for a long time and I'm not even sure the rest of me could even tolerate that. Wink Anyway, I guess I just need to continue to take my time with it and be honest with T, like I have been, and see what happens.

Thanks for all the input, ladies, and the well-wishes on my session. (((((hugs))))) all around.
((((YAKU))))

I struggle with the same thing as far as the crying/wanting to be held thing is concerned. You and your T have talked so much more openly about touch than my T and I so you are a thousand steps ahead of me in that regard.

I don't know if it's this way with you but to me needing to cry and wanting to be held are inextricably intertwined. And I'm afraid that if I push myself to cry because now I feel as though I *ought* to be able to do that with T, without taking care of that part of me that wants to be held, then I'm afraid I might actually injure or traumatize myself.

For me, I've decided to let go of it for now. I'm just not going to put pressure on myself. I guess I'll do it when I am ready. And, I'm tired of feeling that longing, being dependent upon someone else to give me something I need/want. If I own that and take it back and just accept that it's not something I'm likely to get from T, it takes the longing away and the powerlessness of the situation isn't as debilitating.

xoxoxoxo

Love,

Liese

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