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Hello everyone,

I am hoping you may help me understanding and making sense of my experience in therapy as a child/teen. I am just confused by it, and it has an impact on my current therapy, because of course, I keep thinking it is the same, while it is not. I am sorry for the length.
I saw Childhood Therapist (CT) from when I was 8 to when I was 18. She was a woman in her 50s (I guess? I know she retired a few years ago, so...), Freudian, blank-slate type. I do not have many memories, considering I saw her for 10 years, 6 times a week to begin with, and then 3 or 4, then 2, then 1... (yes, it was covered by insurance, thank god).

She saved my life, and globally my life got much better under her care. But... I struggle with that, as I mostly remember "bad things", and ... I have a feeling some of it was hurtful, but it is very hard for me to decide, because she is seen as a saviour in my family, and how can I blame her when she is the one who saved my life?

I was a very anxious child, very early (insomnia, panic attacks, and weirdly, my parents feared I was vaguely autistic... ), so I started seeing various therapists when I was 4.

However, this was inconsistent until I was 8. When I was 8, my family moved, I changed school and was bullied by the other children and teacher. My father was depressed/suicidal. My rabbit died (erm, yes). And I broke down, stopped eating, stopped drinking (not a eating disorder though, it was... another story), I was having constant panic attacks, at night, during class, all the time, when other people were eating. Anyway, I spent some time at the hospital, and I met her. She allowed me to go to the sessions with my dog (who was an untrained puppy at the time, and while dogs were not allowed in the practice) because it was the only thing that kept me from panicking.

I was paying her (children's money, $2 a session) which I found very unfair, as I knew she was paid by the state. I also had to pay the sessions cancelled, even in advance, because I had to "realise I was hindering my recovery", if it was me choosing to go to a friend's birthday. LAter, I lied to cancel the sessions, saying it was because of school and I had no choice. I always felt it was a way to make me choose therapy over life, and that it was wrong, even if it is not as it was intended.

I remember that CT smoked, during the first years, when it was not forbidden yet. It worried me, and also pissed me off to know that the $2 would serve to pay for cigarettes.

She was very Freudian.
- Blank-slate: the most 'intimate' thing I ever learnt was her first name, because of a change in the names on the mail boxes.
- Terribly obsessed by sexual imagery, even when I was just 8: saying that I was using my dog as a penis, when it was on my laps. I said no. She said "yes, you want a penis". I was disgusted by myself. I wonder whether it played a part in my general disgust in seeing myself as a sexual being.
- Genders... oh, the genders... : as a girl/woman, I was always missing a penis. I used my dog as such. I used my studies as such. Because I refused to accept the truth of my identity and desires. I was refusing to accept I was missing something, that I was suffering from my penislessness... (Gosh, I am very happy I created that word!)
- Telling her I may be interested in girls did not work out so well: "See, it proves you still refuse to admit your real desires, that you are still in your fantasy world, refusing to admit your loss of penis. That's why you are still in therapy."


She was also very much... not the caring type, not the "let's have feelings and try to not make you scared" kind that my current therapist is.

If I felt scared of talking about something, I would not be allowed to talk about anything else, or she would ignore me. It was not allowed to write or draw, or present my feelings in an organized structure (as I like it), or she would ignore me because I was not being true enough (??).
If I said something about bad feelings, or relapse, or doing something not "recovery" she would yell at me, saying I was not a good girl, I was being childish, misbehaving. I felt judged every time I mentioned something beside not being fine. Maybe I was not, I was just imagining it, but she never bothered to let me know it was not the case. If I wanted reassurance, it was not to be provided, I was scolded for asking for it, while I knew that reassurance depended on me. I had to reassure myself. Noone would do it for me.
I just stopped telling her about the actual issues I had. I did not mention the SI, the SUI, my growing problem of "stalkerishness".
I constantly felt not good enough, something that was broken, needing fixing. Never fitting in the Freudian box.
And though... I admired her so much. I never questioned her before last year. I wanted to be a therapist like her (and then decided I was too messed up for that.) I stopped seeing her because I was moving from my town to study and because I felt... too feminist, and too lesbian to ever be able to fit in her expectations. She would never see me as someone okay, and her fixing would fix... not the part of me I wanted to see fixed.

I feel I mostly learned that my problem was that I gave importance to my feelings or fears. Ignore them, and they will go away. Never ask for reassurance or care, it is being childish, and depending on others, a trap, self-indulgence. If I want to not be scared, then, I must stop being scared. Asking for her care is just being self-indulgent.



All this... is hardly compatible with my current therapy, and I feel I betray CT, how can I dare to not trust her when she saved my life? How can I say that... I think those beliefs are hurting me? What an ungrateful person!! She had to be right. But then... how come my current T, whom I respect and already helped me with many things does not constantly laugh at my "dependence" to her, and accepts to comfort me when I am scared, allows me to find ways to be less scared in therapy?

Does anyone of you has any idea how I can make sense of those... conflicting styles? Is it possible that... maybe some of my CT's actions were a bit hurtful, even if she saved my life? (and that I sadly remember mostly the bad parts, because I am ... ungrateful and whiny. )

Thank you for reading.
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Hi About,

Thank you for sharing about your childhood therapy. I had some mixed childhood therapy experiences too (my family were involved with a therapeutic commune, which had many problems) so I relate to the ambivalent feelings. I've also wondered about your childhood T when you've written about her, so it's good to hear more.

It sounds to me like CT provided *some* things that you really, really needed as a child - consistency of her physical presence, certain kinds of attention. Kids need these things, no doubt. And it sounds like there was a lot of turmoil and/or deprivation at home, so you would have really needed emotional contact. I can see how her providing these things may have made some positive differences to you, and how, given that contact (and your own hard work and determination) you improved.

But there are also very strong messages both from her and from your family to have you believe that she 'saved' you. For some reason this is a convenient belief for your family, and I can see a lot of pressure on you to go along with this message, regardless of your experience. Do you know why it's so important for them to believe that? Was she a friend of your parents? Was she supportive of their decisions? Did she relieve them of some of the 'burdens' of parenting, or help support a notion that the children were the 'problem' in the family, rather than the adults?

It also sounds like her approach was so extremely rigid - maybe abusively rigid. I don't know too much about Freudian therapy, but I do know that a lot of the ideas she was imposing on you have been considered outmoded for a long time. I also suspect that even when they were first in use, they were never intended to be imposed on children in the way she imposed them on you.

Personally I don't think you owe gratitude to her. She was paid to do a job - a very serious job. She had a lot of power, and her work greatly affected the quality of your life, one way or another or both. You are allowed to assess what she did according to its true felt impact on you, to feel the way you do about your experience with her. It's possible that she was actually really bad at her job. It's possible she was on a power trip with her most vulnerable clients. It's possible she had very poor training for handling children, and that she was relying on bad methodology. She may have had very weak mental health herself.

It's good that you survived - I believe this strongly - but I don't think you owe her gratitude. I believe you are allowed your real feelings.
Also, About, I'm thinking about the money thing. While I get that a personal investment into therapy can ensure that a client is working themselves on their healing, I think CT used this in a terrible and inappropriate way. It sounds like it was used to keep you dependent and in a mentality of being 'sick'. Every time you wanted to grow your healthy child's life outside of therapy, it cost you. $2 is a lot of money for a kid.
((about))
i find it very disturbing from what you've written. maybe there were some good things too and that's why you say she's saved your life. or maybe because you had so little (from your parents) that what she did provide felt a lot bigger and life saving. maybe you remember the bad parts not because you are ungrateful but because there were a LOT of bad parts and you weren't allowed to even think of them as bad or unhelpful. i'm so sorry you had to go through that as a child and young adult, and it sounds like there were so many other things going wrong in your family (your father for example) but maybe you were the 'scape goat' and all the pressure was on you.

i wonder what your T thinks about your childhood T? i hope she helps you in becoming free to see it how it really was for you, and no-one else can be a judge of that.

puppet
((About))

Can you consider for a moment that your memories of childhood T and what happened are recorded from the mind of a child. Children experience the world very differently from the way we adults see it. I'm not saying CT was a good kind woman whose techniques were just what you needed. I'm saying your reactions and memories of what she said or how she acted are those of an immature child. You are not that child now. Now you are an adult and can choose to pick that which was good about the CT relationship to keep and hang on to. An choose that which was disturbing or not in accordance with your adult value system, and let it go.

I realized this for myself when I was processing some CSA memories with my T. At age 11 and 12 young girls live with an certain amount of magical thinking. I have seen it my daughters. I've spent years ashamed and hating myself for what I participated in but when I stopped and looked at those memories as a young girl recording them I could find some compassion for the freightened child that was sure her family would implode if parents found out.

Does this help you at all make sense of some of the discordance between childhood T and your current therapy?

Looking at what you need today that is in accordance with your adult value system does not mean you are ungrateful or whiny.

Jillann
Thank you for your answers and thoughts. It is a 'difficult' topic because I have so little data, my diaries from that time are remarkably unhelpful (the first two years, I sometimes wrote that I hated her, nothing more. The writing of a 9yo is remarkably boring).

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Do you know why it's so important for them to believe that? Was she a friend of your parents? Was she supportive of their decisions? Did she relieve them of some of the 'burdens' of parenting, or help support a notion that the children were the 'problem' in the family, rather than the adults?

I have ... no idea. She was not a friend, my mother was very interested in Freudian thought, and was very convinced.
It is possible that it was something very needed for my family to have a saviour: it had been difficult, crisis over crisis and... everyone needed some 'rest'. And thinking that I was saved maybe allowed my parents to live their lives (being depressed and away for my father, and leaving the house to move in with a new partner for my mother). If my CT was not a saviour, then it meant they should have noticed it (while really... I don't think they could have).

The money thing: I intellectually understand it, and... I think it can work and be very useful in the context of an adult therapy, in which the client can actually say 'no', and decide to go to another therapist. It is the symbol of a contract, but for a contract to be real, both people have to be able to accept or refuse it. Anyway, it was a detail... but a 'revealing' one of the power dynamics.

Puppet: thank you for your comments. I am not sure, I have been told so many times that I was a 'difficult child', requiring attention because I was so scared all the time. I don't think I lacked attention. I do not know what I lacked.
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i wonder what your T thinks about your childhood T?

I don't know for sure, and I have not discussed it much with her, because... I feel it is unfair, and I have too little memories to be sure they are actual facts. For some things (the obvious dog/penis thing), she said that it seemed like a bad therapeutic choice. I don't know if: I am not giving her enough info to have feedback, she thinks my CT was perfect or she just does not want to force her judgement on me, even if this means I am highly confused and don't really dare to tell about my feelings.
It also makes me feel guilty toward my current T: if I am able to turn again my CT, who saved my life, what proves me (and her) I won't do the same for her? (Except if we think that maybe, some of my feelings are actually not random and not just the proof of the darkness of my soul, but simply that my CT was not perfect.)

Jillann: thank you for your words.
I am not entirely sure how to see my childhood therapy with adult eyes. My 'adult eyes' only show me that I am being childish, because it is not much, and I should just stop thinking I have needs. I am not sure that it is what you mean? I am sorry I am having problems getting out of my train of thoughts.

Thank you for your input and... I guess I am hesitating between wanting validation that it was not perfect, and wanting to be proved that it was fine, so that I stop being 'whiny and ungrateful'.

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