We just picked up this book at a second hand store. I remember some people here talking about it. Am I right in my memory?
Antoni
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yes it's a body therapy "somatic Expericing" from Saul L:evine who does a lot of work with this. A lot of therapies have osme similar characteristics like I read stuff in his book that reminds me of Mindfulness as well.
I think in some long ago past post, we have talked about this book, saul levine, body/somatic therapies in the science section? or somewhere else. Maybne you can find it ... I know it was on waking the tiger... might have named it that or something related to somatic expereicing. I know shrinklady went to a conference on this as well.
It's a fascinating book. I was left with a lot of questions from it though because I notice he doesn't really address developmental/childhood traumas but said he would in another book because a lot of what he says applies to trauma expereince as an adult.
I would like to fi nd out of he did write this book yet and if not, Im curious abnout the particular differences.
always reminds me of thisew thingt that try to have you go back to 'pre[trauma' times to see how yuou were or how yuou changed or how things felt and obviously for many of us with develoopmental trauma do not have that state to compare to and furthermore had develiomental stages completely altered so we dont have the same availbility of mental resources the way a traumatixed adult would.
you wil, have to tell me what you think of this book. I know my therapist is reading it. I should ask her what she thinks. It all makes a lot of sense to me.. not particulary saul levine but the entire idea of needing to process trauma somatically or with the body or basically beyong the typical cognitive/talk therapy approaches because none of these discharge the energy of the traumas and body therapies seek to do this.
Izzie
I think in some long ago past post, we have talked about this book, saul levine, body/somatic therapies in the science section? or somewhere else. Maybne you can find it ... I know it was on waking the tiger... might have named it that or something related to somatic expereicing. I know shrinklady went to a conference on this as well.
It's a fascinating book. I was left with a lot of questions from it though because I notice he doesn't really address developmental/childhood traumas but said he would in another book because a lot of what he says applies to trauma expereince as an adult.
I would like to fi nd out of he did write this book yet and if not, Im curious abnout the particular differences.
always reminds me of thisew thingt that try to have you go back to 'pre[trauma' times to see how yuou were or how yuou changed or how things felt and obviously for many of us with develoopmental trauma do not have that state to compare to and furthermore had develiomental stages completely altered so we dont have the same availbility of mental resources the way a traumatixed adult would.
you wil, have to tell me what you think of this book. I know my therapist is reading it. I should ask her what she thinks. It all makes a lot of sense to me.. not particulary saul levine but the entire idea of needing to process trauma somatically or with the body or basically beyong the typical cognitive/talk therapy approaches because none of these discharge the energy of the traumas and body therapies seek to do this.
Izzie
I haven't heard the term 'developmental trauma' before. But i think it's a great one! I mean, it makes a lot of sense for us, and in our system, anyhow... Samy is 'poking about' so i gotta go see what's up :P
Antoni/Scott
Antoni/Scott
I too like or appreciate the term 'developmental trauma'
I have read it a few times in various places but it's not often or commonly used. I'm not sure why. I think because it takes a slight step further in critical thinking for people to understand over childhood trauma yet developmental trauma to me really hits the nail on the head so to speak. Not only because of developmental ages in the literal sense but also it gives rise to the thought abouyt the implications of such trauma during primary stages of development. I feel like childhood denotes being a child but you don't necessarily think about the bio-developmental or psycho developmental aspects whereas the term developmental does or can lend itself to that sort of reasoning.
It's def perfect for DID to me because of the fact that insiders are along that developmental continuium.
ANyways, ttyl
I keep typing and I really shouldn't be! =/
I have read it a few times in various places but it's not often or commonly used. I'm not sure why. I think because it takes a slight step further in critical thinking for people to understand over childhood trauma yet developmental trauma to me really hits the nail on the head so to speak. Not only because of developmental ages in the literal sense but also it gives rise to the thought abouyt the implications of such trauma during primary stages of development. I feel like childhood denotes being a child but you don't necessarily think about the bio-developmental or psycho developmental aspects whereas the term developmental does or can lend itself to that sort of reasoning.
It's def perfect for DID to me because of the fact that insiders are along that developmental continuium.
ANyways, ttyl
I keep typing and I really shouldn't be! =/
exactly! that's why we have such a variety of ages as well as genders (HA! ok... only two genders...) some are 'stuck' at an age but want to get older , and others 'get older' , some get older to a point... then stop aging, and some don't WANT to get older... some younger ones created older ones to help them out. and some are too young to really 'get' what's going on (like... the body is how old??)
I've just read the first chapter, and i really like the idea of the freeze... ok, i've heard it before, but now it sunk in more. And, if I understand correctly, if you stay in the 'freeze' you don't work through the trauma. SO makes sense to me!
We've gone over memories and more memories, over and over it seems.. and yet sometimes still feel stuck at a place... the freeze...
now to figure how to get it out of the body.
Antoni/Scott
(p.s. notice how we often are typing together nowdays? we are finding it an interesting change...)
I've just read the first chapter, and i really like the idea of the freeze... ok, i've heard it before, but now it sunk in more. And, if I understand correctly, if you stay in the 'freeze' you don't work through the trauma. SO makes sense to me!
We've gone over memories and more memories, over and over it seems.. and yet sometimes still feel stuck at a place... the freeze...
now to figure how to get it out of the body.
Antoni/Scott
(p.s. notice how we often are typing together nowdays? we are finding it an interesting change...)
oh... and thanks for commenting BW, hope your aches and pains ease up a bit... and anyone else in cyber-land... feel free to join the convo! Please join 
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quote:hope your aches and pains ease up a bit...
Hey there...
I'm sure it wasn't meant to be offensive but I thought I should say something because I'm in a confrontational mood lately. Thoght my therapist was mad at me. I called her. Wrote an old friend a long letter basicaly telling her off, it felt GREAT....
anywyas,that being said.... I feel that 'aches and pains' is quite the words of minimilizing.
I wish that what I was dealing with was Just 'aches and pains' but I tell you, it is Not.... it's long term chronic irretractable pain. I have it 24/7 and have been dealing with physical pain since I was a little girl hopwever it's much worse.
I'm 30 and stuck on morphine as well as vicoden for break through pain.. really Strong narcotics and that does not take my pain away. It makes it bearable most times.....
Most of my joints muscles hurt and I have some nerve pain as well. I take like 9 medications to manage my chronic illnesses and
it's not just 'aches and pains'
okay....
Butterfly warrior
ok... didn't mean to offend... my apologies
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BW,
I'm really sorry, you've mentioned chronic pain but I didn't know it was that bad. Having used both morphine and vicoden for short term pain management, I can't imagine the level of pain that you're in that those two drugs only make it bearable. I'm not the nicest person when I'm in constant pain (ok, I snap people's heads off LOL!) so I really appreciate your patience. Thanks for letting us know you feel that way.
AG
I'm really sorry, you've mentioned chronic pain but I didn't know it was that bad. Having used both morphine and vicoden for short term pain management, I can't imagine the level of pain that you're in that those two drugs only make it bearable. I'm not the nicest person when I'm in constant pain (ok, I snap people's heads off LOL!) so I really appreciate your patience. Thanks for letting us know you feel that way.
AG
yeh... I'm sorry for being completely crabby....
I'm having severe insurance problems as in not currently covered at all and cant get my meds refilled until next month so far.... so i have been n half my dose of pain meds for nearly a month now and I think the lack of sleep and increased pain is REALLY getting to me.
Dude- Im sure it wasn't meant as an offence.... I know... im just crabby about it and I guess whenever someone has used the term 'aches and pains' with me it has been in a negative minimlizing context which sets me off because it sounds so invalidating.
It's kinda like when I tell people I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and they give me this look like they totally understand and tell me' "Ohh yeh.... I have arthritis too.... my knees hurt soo bad when it rains"
frankly when people say that to me I have to bite my tounge not to yell at them that
um.. yeh.. that's A) Osteoarthritis and B) My Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis si a Systemic Autoimmune disease causing me pain, rain, shine, sleet, 24 hours a day , 7 times a week and not only does it cause pain but also affects several of my organs like my heart. lungs, eyes and yeh.... you DONT understand" ....
I've never said any of this to anyone.. just thought it in my head when they say that. I think I told one person recently that my disease is autoimmune, not just something that happens when it rains and they just sorta stared at me with a look of they totallyh didnt get it
Im just crabby and trying hard not to take it out on others but its really REALLY a challenge lately because I feel so angry, frustrated and tired not to mention not enough sleep.
thanks for undestanding
I hate vicoden.... its for breakthrough pain when the ms contin (morphine) fails to work as well. IT doesnt give me side effects but the vicoden does. I also take antiseizure medication to help the nerve pain and a muscle relxant and so on. Pain sucks...
anyways... thanks for listening
and Samy, Im not mad at Scott... got your IM .. havent been online all day....
I'm having severe insurance problems as in not currently covered at all and cant get my meds refilled until next month so far.... so i have been n half my dose of pain meds for nearly a month now and I think the lack of sleep and increased pain is REALLY getting to me.
Dude- Im sure it wasn't meant as an offence.... I know... im just crabby about it and I guess whenever someone has used the term 'aches and pains' with me it has been in a negative minimlizing context which sets me off because it sounds so invalidating.
It's kinda like when I tell people I have Rheumatoid Arthritis and they give me this look like they totally understand and tell me' "Ohh yeh.... I have arthritis too.... my knees hurt soo bad when it rains"
frankly when people say that to me I have to bite my tounge not to yell at them that
um.. yeh.. that's A) Osteoarthritis and B) My Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis si a Systemic Autoimmune disease causing me pain, rain, shine, sleet, 24 hours a day , 7 times a week and not only does it cause pain but also affects several of my organs like my heart. lungs, eyes and yeh.... you DONT understand" ....
I've never said any of this to anyone.. just thought it in my head when they say that. I think I told one person recently that my disease is autoimmune, not just something that happens when it rains and they just sorta stared at me with a look of they totallyh didnt get it
Im just crabby and trying hard not to take it out on others but its really REALLY a challenge lately because I feel so angry, frustrated and tired not to mention not enough sleep.
thanks for undestanding
I hate vicoden.... its for breakthrough pain when the ms contin (morphine) fails to work as well. IT doesnt give me side effects but the vicoden does. I also take antiseizure medication to help the nerve pain and a muscle relxant and so on. Pain sucks...
anyways... thanks for listening
and Samy, Im not mad at Scott... got your IM .. havent been online all day....
Hello
"I've never said any of this to anyone.. just thought it in my head when they say that. I think I told one person recently that my disease is autoimmune, not just something that happens when it rains and they just sorta stared at me with a look of they totallyh didnt get it"
Few can ever understand our experience unless they have experienced our circumstances. Personally speaking I have increasingly let go of my expectation that others will understand my experience -- when they don't it does not hurt as much.
Mark Weiss www.counselingbook.com
"I've never said any of this to anyone.. just thought it in my head when they say that. I think I told one person recently that my disease is autoimmune, not just something that happens when it rains and they just sorta stared at me with a look of they totallyh didnt get it"
Few can ever understand our experience unless they have experienced our circumstances. Personally speaking I have increasingly let go of my expectation that others will understand my experience -- when they don't it does not hurt as much.
Mark Weiss www.counselingbook.com
you new here Mark? nice to 'meet' you.
Scott
Scott
Hi Mark-
I've heard others say they will tell people 'it's an autoimmune disease" lol......... i think I actually read that in a book some place but I have never tried it because I think it's just pointless.
That's good you have been able to increasingly let go of expectations of others to understand your expereince.... im working on that... it's just hard.... especialy when you sit in a wheelchair and people look, stare and sometimes dare to ask and than are stupid about it. Uninformed.. or whatever. I truly believe that the media has lead to the misconception that Arthritis is just an old persons disease' or something that is mild, etc.
But I agree, the less you expect from others, the easier life gets ... which is also sad...
I used to be the type of person that took everything as a teaching moment and enjoyed it... than i started dealing with depression and instead tend to feel annoyed and tired of explaining.. lol. .
Anyways, thank you for your input and welcome...
I've heard others say they will tell people 'it's an autoimmune disease" lol......... i think I actually read that in a book some place but I have never tried it because I think it's just pointless.
That's good you have been able to increasingly let go of expectations of others to understand your expereince.... im working on that... it's just hard.... especialy when you sit in a wheelchair and people look, stare and sometimes dare to ask and than are stupid about it. Uninformed.. or whatever. I truly believe that the media has lead to the misconception that Arthritis is just an old persons disease' or something that is mild, etc.
But I agree, the less you expect from others, the easier life gets ... which is also sad...
I used to be the type of person that took everything as a teaching moment and enjoyed it... than i started dealing with depression and instead tend to feel annoyed and tired of explaining.. lol. .
Anyways, thank you for your input and welcome...
Hi Butterfly Warrior, man every time I hear about your current situation I just have a hard time imagining what it must be like for you. I don't want to be reminding you (I'm currently writing an article about being triggered) but I was curious if it eases up at all? Does it get worse over time? I was also wondering if you got another therapist?
I missed the discussion about development traumas. I often use the term "developmental gaps" in my work with clients. I remember it from my training in somatic experiencing. I reference it to normalize the fact that "most of us, can't get away without some developmental gaps". It's less triggering...there's that word again...especially until folks are ready to reconcile the fact that they've likely been traumatized by their early experience.
What I found interesting from my training is that whatever developmental stage a truama occurs in, it creates a block in the normal learning cycle. So for instance, until a trauma is resolved, it can slow down an individual's growth for that particular stage of development.
The stage of development theory that I find really useful in this regards is the Bodynamic system. It's body-based and emotion-based. It addresses things like autonomy, need, will structure etc. all the stuff that typically shows up in therapy.
Shrinklady
I missed the discussion about development traumas. I often use the term "developmental gaps" in my work with clients. I remember it from my training in somatic experiencing. I reference it to normalize the fact that "most of us, can't get away without some developmental gaps". It's less triggering...there's that word again...especially until folks are ready to reconcile the fact that they've likely been traumatized by their early experience.
What I found interesting from my training is that whatever developmental stage a truama occurs in, it creates a block in the normal learning cycle. So for instance, until a trauma is resolved, it can slow down an individual's growth for that particular stage of development.
The stage of development theory that I find really useful in this regards is the Bodynamic system. It's body-based and emotion-based. It addresses things like autonomy, need, will structure etc. all the stuff that typically shows up in therapy.
Shrinklady
quote:What I found interesting from my training is that whatever developmental stage a truama occurs in, it creates a block in the normal learning cycle. So for instance, until a trauma is resolved, it can slow down an individual's growth for that particular stage of development
interesting! especially with 'little' (that is, younger insiders) around. it makes total sense i think. they aren't very trusting, and quite fearful of being hurt.
scott
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What I found interesting from my training is that whatever developmental stage a truama occurs in, it creates a block in the normal learning cycle. So for instance, until a trauma is resolved, it can slow down an individual's growth for that particular stage of development
interesting! especially with 'little' (that is, younger insiders) around. it makes total sense i think. they aren't very trusting, and quite fearful of being hurt.
scott
I found this interesting too. One reason is because besides the fact that it helps make DID more understandable to people who dont understand it but also from the basic fact or feeling that I have is that while us 'singletons' don't have others present inside, we sitll have developmental wounds that accumalate and show themselves as dysfunctions in adults...
My question is How does one reclaim that.... realize what is dysfunctional, finding the insignt to recognize it and how to change it to stop the negative effects of it...> Kinda like the whole core beleifs things when negative are ussualy things that were started off or developed from traumas and inflitrate life but it's hard to find out about them within you and than once you do.... it's frustrating because, at least for me, I wonder... gee, what ELSE is going on that I didn't know about before.
I think of that AG said about accepting the 'not so pretty parts' and I feel this is something that goes into the part of recognizing things left over from issues but how does one reach the epiphamy to recognize it! ...
quote:(I'm currently writing an article about being triggered)
Are you posting this article here?? I hope so. I find the topic an interesting one. Learning how one figures out when they are being triggered, how to look at it and how they are resolved in relation to body therapy interests me...
quote:... was curious if it eases up at all? Does it get worse over time? I was also wondering if you got another therapist?
Well, I have a chronic underlying level of pain that is always there and I have pretty much adapted to. Than there are increases and decreases varriant on any number of things.... nutrition, weather, mood, activity, randomness.... With the morphine and antiseizure type medications, I find that things are much more tollerable. There are times when I have increases in pain and don't necessarily realize it physically but I get very emotionally out of sorts at times and will realize it's because my regular level is not being controlled well. I start feeling very sensitive and irritable. My overall pain and disability level has definately worsened over my childhood/adolescense and now. In some ways, i cope better with my wheelchair because positioning is a major deal for me. Having good support does help my pain stay more stable. With JRA which is now being called JIA- Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis, is a autoimmune disease but it can have remissions. It tends to be a relapsing/remitting disease. Because I have multiple illnesses that cause the pain It's hard to determine at times what will happen. I do think that it doesn't necessarilly have to get worse but its always the possibility.
In terms of a therapist... no. For now until sometime in June, I can call my psychiatrist if i need to chat but from the time line im starting to recognize at this clinic, I probably won't have a new therapist assigned to my case until Late July or middle of August.
I wish i could choose but im saying one thing... this time, im following my instinct and if i feel not right than im asking for someone else! I pray this doesn't happen again though because i feel it's disrtupting my personal journey.
I feel constantly mad at the point that I dont have insurance or money to hire my own therapist. There are actually two new therapist like practically accross the street from where I live now! Both with their LCSW and PhD. Im curious if they have their PhD in psychology or social work but whatever the case, they are so close, I can actually phjysically WALK to their office. Also, in the town next to me, according to some somatic therapy website I went to, there is a level II or something like that somatic therapist there and I just wish I could check them out. Near by... ugh... but no, ZI have to travel on a bus, leaving 2 hours in advanced to go to aclinic that assigns me someone. Of course, I can't complain b/c at LEAST i have access to therapy and my meds for virtually free and hey.. my first year there, I had an AWESOME therapisti but for now, im on my own and its hateful becausse I am really REALLY feeling stressed out about problems in my life and yeh.. blah. In fact, I called my psychiatrist voice mail to leave a messsage but come to find out, she is out of town and won't be back until the 23rd. So blah.. it sucks but such is life.
quote:It's less triggering...there's that word again...especially until folks are ready to reconcile the fact that they've likely been traumatized by their early experience.
I love that term as well as developmental traumas which I know Dr Levine uses in waking the tiger and Ive seen it from mmm.. a Dr Herman... can't think of her first nbame but she is one who talks a lot about c-PTSD or chronic PTSD which hasn't yet been put in the DSM as a distinct form from regular PTSD although I hear it is going to be this time around.
I have to say that it is more acceptable a term.... funny how much words can help... I have an incredibly hard time saying I expereinced child abuse from both of my parents and mayne some rather awkward issues outside of them but I have a horrible time accepting that because of the fact that I did have a lot of what I believe is true love and care from both of my parents esp my mom and so it seems so harsh and difficult. I feel almost sickening resistance to saying i was abused by them and somehow 'developmental trauma' is just Soooooo much easier to accept. And of course my personal one is being a Butterfly warrior over dark times as i refer to my journey and the dark times/ages which are the times i expereinced those developmental gaps. I wonder how many others feel that way.... have such a hard time with saying the4y were abusedf and so on.. why is it hard ... Being a human is complicated... .lol....
quote:The stage of development theory that I find really useful in this regards is the Bodynamic system. It's body-based and emotion-based. It addresses things like autonomy, need, will structure etc. all the stuff that typically shows up in therapy.
Do you have more information on this? I will try to do a little reading on it.. Im curious... well always...
Anyways, thanks for your concern and I don't mind answerring most questions. Feel free to ask... im always well most times out to try and help people understand chronic pain, illness and all of that stuff if I can...
Butterfly Flying
Thanks for sharing this Butterfly...it's wonderful that despite all this, you are out there engaging with the world, learning, and doing what you can to heal. BTW, I think you should be grumpy as much as you like...maybe even exaggerate it...sometimes this helps me to feel better when I'm in a funk.
I posted the article. It might not answer all your questions...I'm leaving some for my eCourse. Here it is:
Being Triggered
I found a link to the Bodynamics also. This might help answer a question you had earlier about recognizing our developmental gaps...if I understood you correctly. When I first learned about Bodynamics I was bowled over. It helped me to conceive this site, that is, making therapy about making your life bigger, and not just about dealing with symptoms. People don't realize all the ways we hold ourselves back and how these things can change via therapy. Bodynamics
I'm truly sorry to hear about your claim,
Take care,
Shrinklady
I posted the article. It might not answer all your questions...I'm leaving some for my eCourse. Here it is:
Being Triggered
I found a link to the Bodynamics also. This might help answer a question you had earlier about recognizing our developmental gaps...if I understood you correctly. When I first learned about Bodynamics I was bowled over. It helped me to conceive this site, that is, making therapy about making your life bigger, and not just about dealing with symptoms. People don't realize all the ways we hold ourselves back and how these things can change via therapy. Bodynamics
I'm truly sorry to hear about your claim,
Take care,
Shrinklady
Excellent article... I really appreciate how you normalize the expereince of them since they are something that is really quite activating in relation to trauma... it's nice to see them as something that everyone has for good, for bad. I knew that before but reading it like this helps.
How do triggers lead to disscoation? I assume that's the whole coping subconscious arena there...
I will check out the bodydynamics link a bit latter
thanks so much
How do triggers lead to disscoation? I assume that's the whole coping subconscious arena there...
I will check out the bodydynamics link a bit latter
thanks so much
Oh, boy that's a biggy too. Uhm, okay this might be the long way around it. Someone else could probably put it together more succinctly...
Dissociation comes online any time the charge in the body is too high for the nervous system to manage. It numbs sensory information and reduces the left brain's capacity to form thoughts. It's like the computer is shutting down non-essential operations to protect important files. You may already know about this but just for clarification. These days there's a lot of people walking around in a dissociative state with no awareness of it. The brain has adapted and that's now their "norm"...but I'm going off here.
In other words, triggers flood the nervous system and move it into a dissociative state.
The important aspect is that dissociation is on a continuum. At the milder end of the continuum it actually might feel as if we're just relaxed. At the stronger end, when the trigger is big we might feel agitation or anxiety. This is when even the dissociation isn't numbing out our symptoms. The charge is too high to contain.
Now, the higher the activation in the body the easily one is triggered by remotely-related stimuli (i.e. events, ojects etc. in the environment). Activation is like a measure for how much the primitive brain has learned from experience that the world is dangerous. So for example, an individual with a sexual abuse history with high activation (she hasen't done much work on herself yet) is easily triggered by these remotely related stimuli. For example, by billboard ads, magazines, televisions shows etc. anything reminescent of how woman are sexualized. (Understand that this response will vary from one individual to another). So she's getting triggered all the time. This will make if very difficult for her to remain in her body.
But let's say she goes to therapy and works on some stuff. Eventually, these things no longer trigger her abuse. But on any given day, she might encounter a guy who reminds her of her history...she get's triggered. She can feel the activation in her body (e.g. shoulders thense, gut in a knot) but because she has done so much work on herself, her nervous system can contain it. She doesn't dissociate (at least to any large degree)...and a she remains in therapy to reduce that too. Happy ending!
Let me know if you have any questions,
Shrinklady
Dissociation comes online any time the charge in the body is too high for the nervous system to manage. It numbs sensory information and reduces the left brain's capacity to form thoughts. It's like the computer is shutting down non-essential operations to protect important files. You may already know about this but just for clarification. These days there's a lot of people walking around in a dissociative state with no awareness of it. The brain has adapted and that's now their "norm"...but I'm going off here.
In other words, triggers flood the nervous system and move it into a dissociative state.
The important aspect is that dissociation is on a continuum. At the milder end of the continuum it actually might feel as if we're just relaxed. At the stronger end, when the trigger is big we might feel agitation or anxiety. This is when even the dissociation isn't numbing out our symptoms. The charge is too high to contain.
Now, the higher the activation in the body the easily one is triggered by remotely-related stimuli (i.e. events, ojects etc. in the environment). Activation is like a measure for how much the primitive brain has learned from experience that the world is dangerous. So for example, an individual with a sexual abuse history with high activation (she hasen't done much work on herself yet) is easily triggered by these remotely related stimuli. For example, by billboard ads, magazines, televisions shows etc. anything reminescent of how woman are sexualized. (Understand that this response will vary from one individual to another). So she's getting triggered all the time. This will make if very difficult for her to remain in her body.
But let's say she goes to therapy and works on some stuff. Eventually, these things no longer trigger her abuse. But on any given day, she might encounter a guy who reminds her of her history...she get's triggered. She can feel the activation in her body (e.g. shoulders thense, gut in a knot) but because she has done so much work on herself, her nervous system can contain it. She doesn't dissociate (at least to any large degree)...and a she remains in therapy to reduce that too. Happy ending!
Let me know if you have any questions,
Shrinklady
perfect explantion.. makes a lot of sense to me. I think you should add this to your topic on dissociation or triggers or something.. a subpart? I dont know... it's very good and explains a lot and makes sense...
Also random ethics question. I don't know what it's like in Canada and I'm sure it differs from the personal feelings of one therapist to another but I thought I would ask your thoughts on this. I have been in pretty difficult circimstances of late. The disability decison, insurance issues, etc and it really gutted me pretty badly for a few days. I felt quite severely activated and in need of support. It seems like I couldn't find any. I called some close friends, called my psychiatrist who did call back but wasn't very usefuk to me, even ended up calling a crisis line but they werent too interested because I wasnt quite suicidal. They sent me to call another counseling place and I went ahead and gave them a call but that did not work out either. In last moment desperation, I decided to call my ex therapist. Now had she terminated with me, I would know that woudn't be appropriate but I thought since I terminated with her and I dont know, I assumed it might be okay to call her. I said i had hit a wall, didnt know who else to call, had called anyone else I could think of but nothing was working out and had hoped she might call me if this is okay to do. Well she never called me. I feel more than a little stupid now for calling but mostly I feel rather hurt because I dont know if I did something wrong or if it's just her and her ways. I didnt call her supervisor... i guess that is the one other person I didnt call but that is because last time I called her, it took forever for her to get back and thought Adrine might call me since I was feeling in such a rut. But she didnt. I'm rather appaled because I would like to think that any of my therapist I have worked with would never leave a client even a ex client hanging like that for any reason unless they were like some boundary breaking client or something like that.
I thought maybne you might have some professional insight on this because I'm just purely confused, hurt, feeling kinda dumb for calling and angry as well.
Also random ethics question. I don't know what it's like in Canada and I'm sure it differs from the personal feelings of one therapist to another but I thought I would ask your thoughts on this. I have been in pretty difficult circimstances of late. The disability decison, insurance issues, etc and it really gutted me pretty badly for a few days. I felt quite severely activated and in need of support. It seems like I couldn't find any. I called some close friends, called my psychiatrist who did call back but wasn't very usefuk to me, even ended up calling a crisis line but they werent too interested because I wasnt quite suicidal. They sent me to call another counseling place and I went ahead and gave them a call but that did not work out either. In last moment desperation, I decided to call my ex therapist. Now had she terminated with me, I would know that woudn't be appropriate but I thought since I terminated with her and I dont know, I assumed it might be okay to call her. I said i had hit a wall, didnt know who else to call, had called anyone else I could think of but nothing was working out and had hoped she might call me if this is okay to do. Well she never called me. I feel more than a little stupid now for calling but mostly I feel rather hurt because I dont know if I did something wrong or if it's just her and her ways. I didnt call her supervisor... i guess that is the one other person I didnt call but that is because last time I called her, it took forever for her to get back and thought Adrine might call me since I was feeling in such a rut. But she didnt. I'm rather appaled because I would like to think that any of my therapist I have worked with would never leave a client even a ex client hanging like that for any reason unless they were like some boundary breaking client or something like that.
I thought maybne you might have some professional insight on this because I'm just purely confused, hurt, feeling kinda dumb for calling and angry as well.
reaching out is nver a dumb thing. crisis lines suck LOL I phoned one once also but it was of little help. you can always phone us... sent you our #
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robin/scott
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robin/scott
Thank you Robin/Scott
BW,
Sorry I've been MIA. Bad sinus infection/asthma attack followed by an out of town trip. I can't believe you're therapist didn't call you back, although I do think it provides a lot of affirmation for your decision to quit. If this is the way she is behaving, I doubt she would have done you any good as a therapist. I'm sorry you feel so alone though, I know how difficult that can be.
AG
Sorry I've been MIA. Bad sinus infection/asthma attack followed by an out of town trip. I can't believe you're therapist didn't call you back, although I do think it provides a lot of affirmation for your decision to quit. If this is the way she is behaving, I doubt she would have done you any good as a therapist. I'm sorry you feel so alone though, I know how difficult that can be.
AG
WB AG... been wondering where you have been.
Hope you're feeling better. I have asthma aslo... a real bugger!!!
Hope your trip was good!
Well... haha.. I feel bad now for talking about my ex therapist as she did finally call me back yesterday (Monday) afternoon around 3pm and she did appologize for not getting back sooner being busy and all. I finally said "well you aren't obligated to me since I'm not your client anyways" .... cut to the chase people! LOL. I think she wanted/tried to balk at that but I cut her off before she could cause I KNOW it's true. We had a pleasent conversation and I'm doing better than I was last week anyways so it didnt matter as much to me but I'm glad she did call back b/c it was creating issues with me that she didnt like what does all of that actually mean??? Argh.... do therapists realize what major impact they can have on their clients??...
She also told me that until she leaves in July that if things get out of control.. I can call her but she just might take a bit to get back cause it's harder for her to return calls.
I thought that was a nice offer.
So at least she did call back eventually.
Hope you're feeling better. I have asthma aslo... a real bugger!!!
Hope your trip was good!
Well... haha.. I feel bad now for talking about my ex therapist as she did finally call me back yesterday (Monday) afternoon around 3pm and she did appologize for not getting back sooner being busy and all. I finally said "well you aren't obligated to me since I'm not your client anyways" .... cut to the chase people! LOL. I think she wanted/tried to balk at that but I cut her off before she could cause I KNOW it's true. We had a pleasent conversation and I'm doing better than I was last week anyways so it didnt matter as much to me but I'm glad she did call back b/c it was creating issues with me that she didnt like what does all of that actually mean??? Argh.... do therapists realize what major impact they can have on their clients??...
She also told me that until she leaves in July that if things get out of control.. I can call her but she just might take a bit to get back cause it's harder for her to return calls.
I thought that was a nice offer.
So at least she did call back eventually.