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This came up in the last conversation we had...me always feeling as if he does not want me. He said, "I have never shown you in here I do not want you." When he said those words, the encounter we had at Starbucks came back to me. He saw me and then proceeded to walk to where I could not see him. I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, realizing he is human and doesn't do everything perfectly. He did apologize and said he acted poorly. I am not sure what else I want. I guess the image of him walking away from me is seared in my mind. I wonder if I have not used up all of his good will towards me. Perhaps I have and I am the one to blame for the current state of affairs regarding the negativity. I realize I have only witnessed relationships being torn down and have never really learned how to build a relationship in a healthy manner.

What if the encounter at Starbucks were his sincere feelings? What if I do repel him because I am so much trouble? If this is the case, I have caused this and yet, I am unsure how to repair this. I know I have been demanding at times, combative, told him he was the most stubborn man ever, took a page from my file, and have pushed him to his limit, I am sure, on more than one occasion. This is my no means me bragging, more of a realization you can not do these things without there being some wear and tear on a relationship.

My question is: Can it be repaired and brought back to a healthy interaction? Maybe he does want me to go away, yet, ethically he can not tell me this. I have asked him if I make him nervous, he says no. I have asked him if he hates me, he says no. He says he doesn't want me to go away.

Do I believe what I see in the office or is the Starbucks encounter a truer picture of how he feels about me?

I really want it to work with him because I truly think if I went to another counselor I would shape things in the same manner. I realize the Therapist has a responsibility in how they contribute to the relationship but I think I have done too much to harm the relationship.

Honestly, he did/does not deserve all the negativity I feel towards him. I still struggle with feeling him in the sessions we have, feeling warmth, just feeling his presence. It is very difficult to do this. I don't know what is keeping me from feeling his genuineness.

I have referred people to him who have really liked him and he has really helped them. I think really, the problem is me. I don't mean to be the way I am, yet, I am.

I think I am intent on ruining this relationship, and yet, I don't know why I am. I feel the need to destroy it and I can't even say why. Maybe it is just the way I am programmed and accept I am toxic to any relationship I am in.

I wonder if there is a place of no return. When a relationship is ruined, it is ruined. You just have to accept the part you had in it and move on. I hope this can be a lesson to me that I can not react in any manner and think the relationship can withstand a continual assault, because no relationship with another human being can.

I think when I walk away, at least I know I will have learned this lesson. It's said you have to experience this with another human being who has your best interest at heart, and yet, what they do is never good enough.

Very sobering.

T.
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Gosh TAS, I just want to tell you that I can very much relate to how you feel and I can also relate to all of the different thoughts that are running through your head as you try to figure this out. I really can relate.

I think that you are doing a good job hanging in there with this process and with your therapist.

I think that the answer to the question if it can be repaired is almost definitely yes and I think that your T is very willing to work on it with you in spite of how much you feel the struggle. Your struggle is part of the process and it is very understandable and forgivable and human, and also courageous somehow.
I think what was triggered at Starbucks was significant, but I don't think his actions - especially since you two had not discussed what to do in public and Ts are generally not supposed to acknowledge you first - that it doesn't say anything about you or his feelings about you. The situation represents something and brings stuff up... I used to do this with my T where I would get so wrapped up in a situation and stretch it's meaning to the earth and back and apply it generously in every situation I could think of and it took a long time for us to get to the point we talk about the emotions brought up. Instead of "you did ___ and you must mean ____ and you must believe and think and know _____" it is "I felt _____ when _____ happened". Just thinking it might be worth looking at the emotions instead of holding on to the "situation" as proof when it may not be communicating anything and is just a catalyst for feelings. So, I'd believe what happens in the office over the emotional stories made up about how T must feel or think based on Starbucks.

I have intents on ruining relationships too (making the other person go away or me finding a reason I don't need them so I can get away). That's a very hard and painful struggle. My T lovingly told me that I'm "very good at what you do". It was a fight! It was a fight with T2 last year also... Where things were very ruined and I was trapped in a bad cycle of being attached to events rather than feelings - for months. We do repeat patterns and I think it is 'us' not them in many cases since half decent therapy SHOULD be about us. Everyone brings their baggage Frowner and it may be likely you'll repeat this pattern with another T (or other people) if it's something recurring that you can see. I know a lot of people like to blame a T for being unethical, or always making mistakes or always a bad match or always the wrong modality when really sometimes healing just f***ing sucks and it brings stuff up, our stuff.

So, I hope you can hang in there with him if it feels like somehow it will work. I know with my T I have been convinced she was the most withholding, evil, horrible thinking, inefficient, useless, talentless, wrong modality having T there ever was. I stayed with her because I just had this feeling and she proved me right again and again by leaving space in her schedule for me to come back to every week to listen to me accuse her of something new I'd thought of. I can hear so much of the start of my therapy in what you're saying here.,, and I'm sorry you're feeling this way - it's painful and unfair.
I'm so sorry TAS you're going thru this.
I missed the posting about the Starbucks incident. My first analyst ever did tell me that when we would incidently meet, he would always ignore me and leave it up to me if I wanted to acknowlege him, yes or no. He said it was meant as a way to keep me safe in the real world out there. Maybe I didn't want anyone I might have been with to know I was in therapy.
I met him about 4 times in the years after (in the local concerthall). It never felt good and it always gave me a shock. One time I felt strong and went up to greet him. He was very kind and warm and exactly the same as he was when I saw him during our sessions.
Please remember: you are not toxic! And yes, we will always want our therapist to need us as much as we need them. And that sucks. Big time!Hug two
Your T was probably trying to avoid you in Starbucks because it's very awkward for therapists meeting up with patients in a place outside the office. If you did connect and exchanged hello's, he might fear some more conversation would ensue. The rule not to interact outside the therapy hour is a strong one, and I think he was just trying to avoid the possibility of talking too long there. I don't think it was about rejecting you, but therapists are just weird about their rules.

Therapy methods are slowly changing nowadays where therapists agree it's better to chill out some about the rules. It was Freud who set all those rules about silence, not socializing, keeping strict hours, etc. And Freud was wrong about some things.
TAS, I don't think there is anything for you repair, any way that you should change, but trust the T as much as possible that he cares about you. He could have become a carpenter instead of choosing to be a shrink, you know.
I think it's great you've talked to him about what happened in Starbucks.

It might be you need to keep talking it through - as many times as it takes for it to feel a bit more ok. And that's ok!

I'm a health professional (not a T) and I have a lot of clients I work with for months of a year, often more than once over a few years. I often run into ex and current clients in public outside (usually the supermarket!). It happens probably very other week actually.

Often I'm really happy to see them - and stop for a long chat, and a mini catch up. Other times, I admit I 'hide' too - and I can tell you this - what makes the difference as to whether or not I 'hide' versus 'go and chat' is purely one hundred percent ME - and where I am in myself.

Sometimes it's one of my rare weekends off and I just don't feel like 'performing' my professional role. I might be in my old tatty jeans, a hoodie, muddy shoes from gardening, and just want to go about my business and not talk to ANYONE (best buddy or not!). I just want ME time. To be able to go out in public and not run into anyone. To be like all the other shoppers - and just BLEND IN.


Sounds like it will be important for you to talk to him about 'what if' you run into him on another occasion.

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