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Lately I've started to realize bit by bit how let down I've been by people whom I was meant to trust and how I automatically keep so much distance from people, even people I consider close, in case they might leave me.

Lately I've been wanting to go it alone. As in, go through life by myself. I've wanted no contact with either parents and I've partly convinced myself that neither of them are worth my time anymore and that it's better I do this all by myself. I feel that family is overrated and it's better to find friends who I can start classing as my family, rather than my family who does not intellectually get me at all. My grandfather and grandmother are just money makers and don't think about my welfare. They don't accept that I'm lesbian and my grandfather has stated that he never wants to meet my future girlfriend. To me, this is a part rejection of me, who I am. My grandmother perceives me to be a material failure I feel, simply because I have not completed a degree. My Aunt holds a family secret that my cousin's father is not my uncle's. She cheated. This reminds me of how my older half sister was kept as a secret from me until 15 and how sorry I feel for my young cousin who knows none the better.

It just seems that my immediate family just don't think. I don't feel connected to them through idle, simple love anymore. I mean, I love them still but there is a distance now.

In a sense I feel stronger for deciding this, even though my Mum is lovely to me and wants to see me at Christmas. I feel so sad going to her house because she was the one that should have been there for me. Now she regresses and treats and talks to me as if I'm 3 years old because she missed out on that and when I snap at her and tell her that I don't want this treatment, I feel both guilty and sad because she's being so lovely to me but I simply can't take all this smothering. She feels like a stranger to me half the time. I look at her sometimes and think 'you're not my mum. You're someone else'.

I will go and see her this Christmas but because I have good reason to believe that she has the same distrusting problems as I, maintaining the relationship is very hard. When I reject her, she hurts, because I'm her world. And it's depressed me being with her because of how sad and lonely she is inside. She won't go to therapy herself and induces all her problems through very heavy intellectualization and philosohpy.

I don't really know why I'm writing this out here. I need to let it out I think. Going life alone without them makes me sad but also refreshes me somewhat. It's like 'Ah finally! I can breath! I can be me, whoever I am and whoever I choose to be'.

Has anyone ever felt like that during the course of therapy? Like at one time or several times, you just want to maintain yourself without these people anywhere near you. The very people who hurt you and caused this anguish?

I realize I have very BPD symptoms in this case of distrusting because instead of trusting people through moderation, I go back and forward and go through cycles of complete distrust lest I find something even slight that might show that the person will leave me. I have the all good/all bad splitting scenario and it's quite extreme. But what stuns me about myself is that I've learnt to live like this and it's become so normalized that it seems that there feels like there is no other way to live. That this way is the perfectly normal way to live.

I think T was catching onto the Borderline aspect (I say aspect because though I fit the criteria quite well in some ways, in other ways I do not, so I'm not quick to label myself as this or that, but simply use the symptoms as a way of directing my self knowledge), by querying how I deal with friendships. It's true that a perceived judgement of abandonment sends me into isolation. I'll cut that person off in mind completely and believe that the friendship is totally over, even though its not. I'll do it to cover and protect myself.

Then I'll feel bad because it was a perceived judgement. Not a real one.

Often I get quite confused over boundaries in frienships IF I do get close to someone which is very rare. I've been crying a lot over T because at the moment I'm perceiving that she doesn't like me and that she treats me as a number. This saddens me and brings up all sorts of things from the past that I didn't think I could connect to. It makes me 'forget' her in my standard way of dealing with people who I let in.

I guess I'm simply writing this because there's so much stuff I'm starting to realize about myself...If any of you have had similar experiences, please feel free to comment or say anything. I don't know why I'm writing this here. I think it's because you all have experienced heart wrenching stuff and you can empathize and understand. Perhaps I'm reaching out for people who know what I mean and what I'm saying.

Thanks for reading. Smiler
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Originally posted by Forgetmenot.:


Has anyone ever felt like that during the course of therapy? Like at one time or several times, you just want to maintain yourself without these people anywhere near you. The very people who hurt you and caused this anguish?

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FMN, I have felt like this a lot and find it a very fine line to walk. On the one hand, I feel as if I need to pull back a bit from these relationships because I tend to react in the same ways I always have, responding to my mother's needs on automatic, for example. Sometimes I just want to just start all over by myself, wipe everyone else's needs out of my head so that I can just focus on myself and what I need to do to heal. But then it feels almost destructive to wipe out these relationships completely and not find a way to maintain them while at the same time doing what I need to do for me. It gets really confusing for me.

I was wondering if the grandparents you were talking about are your Mother's parents? And if they are, maybe she understands why you feel the way you do, having been raised by those people herself.

It sounds as though a lot is coming up for you. Can you talk to T about how you think she feels about you? It's important to feel important to your T.

xoxo

Liese
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Has anyone ever felt like that during the course of therapy? Like at one time or several times, you just want to maintain yourself without these people anywhere near you. The very people who hurt you and caused this anguish?


Hi Forgetmenot....in the beginning of my therapy, I needed to start EMDR right away as I was in a lot of emotional pain and about to take my son to another MRI, yet, a conflict with my mom was coming up and I had to delay EMDR for two sessions. Whenever a conflict with her comes up, the history of our relationship comes up (since there are unresolved issues). Well, my T told me to take a break from my mom, not forever, but for right now. So, that's what I did. I focused on myself, with her encouragement. We came back to my mom's and my issues, again, later in therapy, and I've even been able to have conversations with my mom, since.

I have a tendancy, when I'm in emotional pain, to push and pull people, and I'm not sure I still have a grasp on my behavior or feelings, based on what I read on this forum, probably an attachment problem. I have a lot to figure out about myself, yet.
Thanks for replying Smiler

Liese: My Mum was adopted and she is no longer in contact with her adoptive mother (her adoptive father died when she was quite young). It's my father parent's.

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Sometimes I just want to just start all over by myself, wipe everyone else's needs out of my head so that I can just focus on myself and what I need to do to heal. But then it feels almost destructive to wipe out these relationships completely and not find a way to maintain them while at the same time doing what I need to do for me. It gets really confusing for me.


Hmm, this is exactly what it feels like to me. Right now there is a lot of stuff coming up. I've been on and off crying for a day now and cannot decide whether I need alone time or that company is better. I'm in the company of my housemate right now and it's nice to sit with him but when I'm in this type of mood, it makes me sad as well because being in the company of friends reminds me of how I go back and forward with people. I feel like I'm not being real or fair to them. I am also scared to be honest about my trust issues in case they feel hurt and decide to not support me anymore.

Ninn: Yes, me too. I'm at the beginning. Well it will be 6 months but compared to some of us on the forum, 6 months is probably the first few drops in the ocean! The whole taking a break sounds like a good idea. I feel the need to do that. I feel that I need an awful LOT of space to decipher who I am and what patterns I go through. I can have no strong influence onto me otherwise I go toward a direction which is not real and is simply based on what others perceive of my situation. So I am also apt at keeping a lot to myself these days and telling only those who understand what real inner pain means. Not only that though, people like you guys who go to therapy and understand what it means to unravel that pain..

I communicate with so many people who are indenial of what they feel. It's not much use talking to such people in my opinion. I feel I have to explain myself with so much effort that I'd rather keep it to restricted circles.

I guess I'm also very emotional about my therapist. I keep wanting to get closer to her, for her to practically be my mother and it hurts that she is so near yet so far. Any information on her I cherish. I also want to find common interests with her so that I can associate myself as a relation to her in some way. I know it's not real, but I think in my mind, emotionally, I am so desperate to make it real.

I'm sad that I find myself being so suspicious of my therapist also, because recently I saw the true colours of someone I was living with who was also a counsellor. She feigned empathy when all the while she actually relied on people's neediness of her to give her a sense of self worth. She was practically a sociopath and underneath, a very nasty and manipulative one at that. I am super scared that my therapist has those traits and that I might one day touch on those which will cause to stop the therapy. I already think she hates it when I ask about her name. Her reactions are too abrupt and I WILL bring it up with her next week, and with sterness because she needs to know how angry I do feel at that.
Forgetmenot:

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I feel that I need an awful LOT of space to decipher who I am and what patterns I go through. I can have no strong influence onto me otherwise I go toward a direction which is not real and is simply based on what others perceive of my situation. So I am also apt at keeping a lot to myself these days and telling only those who understand what real inner pain means. Not only that though, people like you guys who go to therapy and understand what it means to unravel that pain..

I communicate with so many people who are indenial of what they feel. It's not much use talking to such people in my opinion. I feel I have to explain myself with so much effort that I'd rather keep it to restricted circles.


Again, close to home for me. Boy, do I get it. I'm there. Right now.

This is also making me feel better about the BPD tendency thing that was brought up. There is so much negative press about it,and I don't find that I match the description at all.

I almost think that this should be given a different name. When I am in this much pain, I'm not willing to share with anyone, not even on a more superficial level. in particular, those that don't "get it". That's where "showtime" comes into play. I have one part of me that interacts with people in everyday life, but alone, (lately) it's just me sitting with unbearable pain, and the fear of dependency, rejection, deep shame, and depression (primarily) And walking into a room full of people intensifies that experience of loneliness to the point where I just want to run out as fast as I can.

I am sorry to hear about that therapist. I recently had an encounter with a true sociopath who took advantage of me in this way, and your description is now triggering me. (An urge to kick her arse, and urge to defend you, etc) and the inability to trust. I'm repeating my mantras again, "The only person you can count on is yourself" - and it is providing some relief, but based on past experiences, it doesn't last long.

How does/ will the holidays affect it, if at all? (Just curious)
I wish you peace.
number 9: I hate negative press regarding such as BPD. To keep away from 'these people' etc. There are different aspects to it and there are indeed some very capable and aware and logical people who have it and are very willing to move through it but I do wish it was understood what pain is involved with the aspects of this kind of thing.

The thing is I seem to notice that SO much of us are in pain and in fear of each other. I want virtuous relationships where we don't throttle each other when one is angry at another. I guess in my experience though, I've been at the helm of a lot of people whom I was meant to trust but who threw they're anger back and me and indeed invalidated my anger by pronouncing it as wrong and bad.

Ugh yes, luckily this counsellor wasn't actually my counsellor, just a friend, but still, I think I confided in her enough to call her a person that I relied on to help me. For her to stock up my vulnerabilities and throw them back at me in sly ways was horrible. (You can read about the incident in my blog underneath this reply if you wish)

I just want someone UNCONDITIONAL for once. I really do. I can't seem to come across people like that very often which makes me curl up into myself more and be extra cautious of people.

The holidays? I guess you mean my 3 weeks away from T? Hmm, I will focus on different things. I still feel very attached to her, and I'm VERY scared of defying her or leaving her because I believe she will forget about me and I don't want her to forget about me. But the abruptness of her attitude sometimes is really, really making me doubt her and I'm starting to get scared of her now. I think I will probably close off emotionally during the holidays. I always do, even throughout the week I think. I feel but I don't feel. I don't know how to explain it. I have lots of pain but in order to survive, I've normalized it in myself since aged 0 when I was passed to different caregivers by people who only seemed to care about they're own persecutions.
p.s. df, I didn't see your reply. Your suggestions make sense. Smiler There was a time where, when I lived closer to Mum, I got closer to her and even started hugging her closer but I was still finding it hard to mediate between what she wanted of me and what I wanted of myself. I will go over there for a restricted time for xmas. Maybe just for the day.

I prefer to be footloose these days. I might feel lonely and feel this pervade me more, but I also feel clearer on my needs and my emotions. I'm not sure whether this is good or not in regard to my emotions. I can't rely on people anymore to lead my life for me, yet I need human relationships to function. It feels like a very fine and somewhat difficult thing to balance.

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