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Hey guys,

I've been on the forum here and there for the past few months, but not nearly as active as I used to be. I feel guilty for that, as you all deserve so much more support than I have given. Seeing as things have slowed down for a couple weeks, I thought I might give an update on what's been happening. I also hope to be able to post a little bit more for at least a short while. I apologize in advance, because this will probably be quite long.

Honestly, I can't remember what I last shared on the OF. To sum up the crux of my therapy so far in 2011, I had images/memories/flashbacks and other different things that led to the realization that there is CSA in my background. The past 2 or 3 months have revolved around dealing with who I realized had done it. I really, really hesitate to admit it anywhere or anytime but the person responsible is my father. I haven't fully accepted it, especially because it happened a long time ago and I'm still in contact with him. But I'm trying to work through it.

A couple weeks ago, I found out that my father needed to have triple bypass heart surgery. This wasn't much of a surprise, since he's not the most healthy person. The thing that was hardest to deal with was the 'forbidden' wish that I had regarding his surgery. I don't even know if I want to admit it here since I'm so ashamed, but I'm sure some can interpret what it might have been. So that was one thing I was having to deal with in therapy. T was really supportive and accepting of everything I had to say and tried to get me to see that it's understandable.

About a week and a half ago, my dad had his surgery. The surgery itself went fine, but there were complications afterward. To do the triple bypass, they take veins from the leg and re-attach them to the heart to bypass the other arteries. When the veins are originally in the leg, they have little "off-shoots" (I believe they are capillaries), so before the surgeons attach the veins to the heart, they have to clamp off all of the spots where the vein originally had an off-shoot. About an hour after the surgery, they were monitoring him in the ICU (he was still under anesthesia just so they could monitor his heart function), and one of the clamps came undone and resulted in one of the arteries bursting. They immediately opened him up right there in the room, without sterilization, to at least stop the bleeding to they could get to surgery to repair the artery. He lost so much blood so quickly that the doctor literally had massage his heart with her hand for about 15 minutes before they got to surgery just to try and get some oxygen to his brain, because there was no blood pumping to his heart. In surgery, they had to give him 10 units of blood because he had lost just about every bit of his.

After surgery, the doctors said that they didn't know if he had gotten enough oxygen to his brain, and if he'd gotten any oxygen at all, they didn't know if he would have brain damage. But, he actually woke up about 12 hours later and ended up having no problems and no brain damage at all. He came so close to dying that the chaplain at the hospital gave him his last rites. The doctors working on him didn't think he was going to live, especially since he lost nearly all of the blood in his body, and all of the nurses say it's a miracle he didn't wake up with any lasting damage.

The thing I struggled with most through all of this was during the time when we weren't sure if he would wake up. I was convinced that it was my fault that this happened...because it's what I secretly wished (I feel so awful, so ashamed about that Frowner). I felt like it was God asking me if that was what I truly wanted, because everyone kept saying that it was a miracle he lived. And the surgeon said that in more than 300 open heart surgeries, she's never had anything like that go wrong. I had a session a couple days after all of this happened, and I told T what I was thinking and feeling. Even though I logically knew that I couldn't have caused any of this, I still kind of felt like I did. T told me that it was just magical thinking and that there was no way I could have caused any of this, and I knew that was the case (rationally). But I just couldn't completely believe it, and I honestly still can't. The reason I felt so guilty was because I realized through all of this just how much my mother still cares for him (even though they are separated and live 1000 miles apart). My mother went down to take care of him during the surgery and I stayed up at school, so I actually only heard about all of this through conversations with my mom. But I could tell just how much his death would have devastated her, and I couldn't bear the thought of being the cause of that (this is also the same reason why I won't tell her other things as well).

I cried so much during that session, because I realized all that I didn't have in him as a father - because I wouldn't have missed him at all if he was gone. I partly expected to have some feeling of love for him bubble up in me after such a close call, so it was actually devastating in itself that that sort of reaction didn't occur. And I felt incredibly guilty for that, too. T, again, tried to get me to see why that might be the case, especially since I still haven't accepted everything. I even tried to deny that anything happened at all, because I told T that it was the only act of care I could give in the absence of love and genuine worry. T told me that a father has to do a lot to lose their child's love, since all children want is for their parents to love them.

T realized one session that I really could never, ever imagine telling my mother what my father did, and I said no. She's spent 30 years trying to see the best in him, and mostly managing to do so, and I just don't feel like it's worth the risk to either of us, because I don't think she'd even believe me and may even hate me. So T told me that she'd be willing to do an exercise where she acts as a 'stand-in' mother and I can tell her like I'd tell my mother, and she'd respond in a validating, reassuring way. The prospect of that honestly makes me really nervous. On the one hand, I can see how it would be really healing (which is what T said), but it also seems kind of "dangerous." It seems like doing something like that could make her *too* important to me, you know? I know I'm also afraid of becoming too attached because I'm going to be leaving for grad school in less than a year. And this seems like it would just make it too hard. I just don't know if the benefits would outweigh the consequences.

There had been plans for about a month for my mother and me to go down to where my father lives for Thanksgiving. I talked with T for a while about whether or not to go down there and told her that I didn't feel I had much of a choice, but now I feel like I have even less of a choice because of everything that happened. I simply don't want to tell my mother anything about any of this. It just doesn't feel safe. What also makes it even more complicated is that I'm still partially financially dependent on my father. I get enough financial aid through school and work to support myself, but I have a really good health insurance plan if I remain on his. If I were to refuse to visit him, I know he'd cut me off completely. What makes it even more complicated is that my mother works for my dad, because she does the website for the resort he manages. So if I do anything to make him angry, he will take it out on her verbally/emotionally.

At the same time, I feel so weak for not being able to stand up for myself. I feel like I'm in an impossible bind where I can either hurt myself by remaining in this dysfunctional triad or I can harm my mother by going my own way. I'd honestly rather hurt myself. T told me that I obviously don't realize that I have the right to protect myself, that it was a right given to me just by being born. And now I feel guilty for not trying harder to protect myself. T seemed disappointed that I was going down there. Frowner

Anyway, I'm sorry this is so long. I hope I'm brave enough to keep this up, since I've been going through a phase of being afraid of having too much of 'me' out there on the OF. But, in short, as far as my relationship with my T goes, things are going well. It's taken me *forever* but telling her things has become a lot easier. I don't censor things quite as much now. But there's still new things T is learning about my past, because I simply haven't felt able to tell her. So it's still slow going. I'm blessed to have such a great, patient, and supportive T - although it's also incredibly scary at the same time!

Ugh. Already feeling icky with all of my stuff out there. Thanks for reading anyway, and many hugs to all of you.
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Hi Kashley,
It's really good to hear from you, thanks for updating. I am sorry for the knowledge that you are learning to live with, especially after being able to block it for so long. May I tell you though that I am very proud of you, as it took me into my 30s before I was ready to face it and recover those memories? You are healing so much younger and that gives me so much hope for your healing and the fuller life you'll lead. But my heart goes out to you, because I know how difficult learning this can be and the struggle it can be to come to terms with the reality and sheer horror of what happened.

As for your thoughts, they're human. The truth is, they are anger, and anger is appropriate to what happened to you. What makes this so difficult is that we often have a difficult time acknowledging this part of ourselves. Even more so if anger was something that would have gotten us in trouble. Wanting the surgery to fail is just human. I remember once telling my T that I could have flayed my father alive and stood laughing over his body. Then I said "what a horrible feeling." And my T, who can occasionally ask VERY hard questions, looked straight at me and said "really, it's a horrible feeling?" It was really hard but when I stopped and thought about it I had to say no, it wasn't. Anger sometimes was welcome because it stopped the fear. And when I lost my dearly beloved mother in law, and my mother couldn't even be bothered to call or email her two grandaughters or her son-in-law of 22 years who had been nothing but good to her, I actually found myself angry that I lost one and still had the other. That in some moments I would have traded. I am not proud about these feelings but I want you to hear that I had them. And I understand why I had them.

As for how you handle telling or not telling, only you can decide that. I felt the same way about my mother, especially because in some ways my mother sacrificed a lot. She supported four children working in a factory 50 to 60 hours a week, after my dad took off. But she also failed me in some profound ways, including not protecting me from my father and always making our relationship in many ways about HER emotional needs. So I was really torn. My father was out of the picture which made it easier, but I still really feared what it would do to my mother. I finally made the decision to tell my mom. She reacted fairly well when I did, provided sympathy and even apologized and that was it. We never discussed it again. A few years later, I found out from my older sister that my mother had come up with a very creative solution to handling the news. She believed that I believed what had happened, but she didn't believe it happened. I believe this gave her a way to stay in relationship with me without facing what happened because on some level it would have really hurt, if not destroyed her. You said your mother has worked hard her whole life to see your father in a positive light? Telling her probably won't slow her up much. A human ability to deny that which they cannot know should never be underestimated.

I hope you are able to find some peace. Please do not worry about posting here or supporting other people, you are dealing with life altering circumstances and it makes sense that you do not have a lot of energy to spare right now. I know it's difficult to let your T in knowing that there is not a lot of time left, but if you can bring yourself to do so, I think it would be good. The healing that you experience with her and how she will be interwoven into your identity are things you will take with you when you have to part.

But above all, Kashley, be gentle with yourself and try to show yourself the compassion you would show anyone else here without hesitation. There are good reasons you are feeling the way you are and struggling for a solution. Don't be too quick to be harsh with your decisions. You have come such a long way in the short time I have known you. And it may be a long journey yet, but I believe you will heal and be whole.

((((((Kashley))))))))

love, AG
(((((Kashley))))))

I am continually so astonished by all you are working through in the midst of school, applying to grad schools, working, just living life. You are a wonderful, dearly beloved young woman. I know I have told you this already, but when my mom had her car accident and could have died years ago, I found myself bereft of any feelings of fear or pain originating from within myself. I had fear of what losing her would do to my younger siblings (even losing an absent, unstable, emotionally abusive mother would be traumatic to a school-aged child). I agree that it is a normal internal expression of valid anger over what has happened. There are times, you know, it would be simpler if these people were just gone from my life. When H might have been relocated to England last year, I knew it would have meant escape and I longed for it, although it never came.

As far as sharing with your mother or confronting your father, I can understand why that would be so difficult and scary. I don't think I will ever be able to do it. I'm nearly sure that my mom will deny what has happened, as will my oldest sister, because it means they failed to protect me...from their perspective. I know I will never receive the validation that is desperately needed. I think it is so wonderful that your T is offering to do that for you, but I understand how it could be scary as well, to keep getting closer, knowing you will most likely have to leave in a matter of months. Maybe the harder conversation to have, but the one that will make way for a lot of other deep work, is how afraid you are to let this deep attachment continue to develop knowing what must probably happen soon...

I'm sorry that I am short of wisdom right now, but am thinking about you and praying for you all the time, I hope you know.
((((((KASHLEY)))))

I haven't been on much lately and missed this thread. The holidays are right around the corner and I don't know what you decided. It all sounds so heartbreaking and gutwrenching. I am sorry about what you are going through with the recovered memories. I don't have that type of a situation but I know how it feels when you are trying to come to grips with the reality of a situation emotionally. It's a wierd and awful place to be in and the mind can play all kinds of tricks.

I'm in a similar bind with my brother, who has been nothing but trouble for everyone. He was diagnosed with melanoma 7 years ago and there were many times when I was secretly disappointed when a particular treatment seemed to work. And now, his cancer is getting more aggressive and I don't feel anything. Like you, these feelings make me feel absolutely horrible. And, I also think I'm going to get struck with cancer as a punishment for not having more compassion for my brother.

I'm trying to work through the feelings as best as I can so that in the end, I will feel good about myself regardless of what I do. But it's all torture Kashley. It's so hard. There is no easy answer for me or for you.

Maybe you were projecting when you thought T would be disappointed if you went for Thanksgiving? It's such a hard call but keeping that insurance policy in place is also being protective of yourself so I don't think anyone would be disappointed if you went down there. Is there a possiblity you can make up some school-related excuse? Or go but just not be around much?

Just mostly wanted to let you know that I was thinking about you.

(((((KASHLEY)))))

xoxo

Love,

Liese
Hi Kashley,

Such a conflict of emotions for you to go through Frowner, I am so sorry and like others have said you have so much on your plate anyway, no wonder you are feeling under so much pressure at the moment.(((kashley))) I hope you gain strength to work through this one

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Can recall my T suggesting that when discussing this 'wishful thinking' with regards to perpetrators and sickness/death. I said calmly, no...no anger...just indifference and maybe a deep desire to finally be free of certain pressures...a deeper sadness that I don't care. But no anger.


Monte, what a relief for me to read this. I too have no anger, none at all, yet inside I know I should and can feel immense anger towards other perpetrators. Maybe you are right, it is too scary.....So Kashley, I say well done for facing that anger and acknowledging it too. And I am pleased too that your T is rock steady through all this, I am so glad you have that support.

Big hug

starfishy
Kashley, you're dealing with huge issues here and I'm pretty impressed with how you are handling it all. Thank you for letting us khow what's been going on for you.

I don't really know what to say, your experiences are way beyond what I personally understand so whatever I say will sound fake and contrived. I do think I get the dilemma you face with whether to tell your mother or not though. I suppose the bottom line is what will be in YOUR best interests? Whatever would help you is the line you need to focus on taking - you can't tear yourself apart taking responsibility for other people's feelings when that negates and diminishes your own and your needs.

Oh and I also understand the sentiments of which you are ashamed regarding your father's operation and its aftermath. But I have no qualms about feeling angry and wishing someone dead so I'm not much use there - only to say that I can understand why that would make you feel bad about yourself. For me it's not a moral issue at all but a societally imposed negation of a perfectly natural and normal reaction. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I wish you didn't feel so bad about yourself for it Frowner

Sending you lots of support and hoping you that whatever you decide in the end, that the decision is one that feels right to you.

(((( Kashely ))))

LL
Wow, thank you so much for all of your wonderful support. I'm not able to respond in depth at the moment, but I will be back soon to respond to each of you individually. Thank you so much. You know, if there's one thing that I've found through all of is, it's that there are truly kind people in the world, and you all most definitely have helped me see that.

((((hugs))))
Hi Kashley... thanks for sharing your story with us. You are incredibly brave and strong. Please don't feel guilty for not being around the forum much lately, you have been engaged in very difficult work with your T. I am glad to hear that your T has been so supportive and there for you and that she has truly helped you through this.

As for what you should do about visiting your Dad and/or telling your mom, I'm sorry I don't have any good advice for you. I am just awful at confrontations, and especially those who would hurt others in some way or that feel dangerous. Of course, as my T reminds me, many of those memories from childhood feel dangerous but they are not any longer. But Still...this is never an easy decision. You need to make the one that feels safest and best for you. I don't think anyone would judge you for what you decide to do.

I would agree with whoever suggested that you use a school excuse for not being able to visit your Dad. Or maybe you can be "sick" and need to stay home and rest that day. Of course, this is not a long term solution and I can see where this would weigh on you having to decide to see your parents and fake it or to cut yourself off from your Dad completely.

As for the surgery thoughts and feelings... certainly it was magical thinking and I engage in this all of the time. I am glad your T pointed this out and has been so supportive of you. Please don't feel guilty for a moment for thinking unfavorable things about someone who harmed you so badly.

Lastly, I am so sorry that you had to come face to face with such painful realizations. I am sorry you were put through such abuse. My heart goes out to you and I am thinking of you during this time. I am pleased that you trusted us on OF enough to share this with us. Be good to yourself and remember that there are many people here who care about you and are thinking good thoughts for you.

Hugs
TN
Thank you for your update Kashley- I have been wondering how things are going for you. I think you were very brave and strong to post about it. ((((((Kashley)))) I'm so sorry that you are dealing with so much pain, and having to make such pressurised decision right in the middle of it.

All of your feelings about your dad are completely normal- it's so very sad that you have to experience such conflicting feelings, but it's not your fault. You are lovely, and loving young woman, who has been terribly hurt by someone you should have been able to trust.
and now you are taking your courage in your hands and working through it, with tremendous bravery. Be gentle with yourself. And no, you couldn't have caused what happened- even if it really feels that way.

I hope that you will do what is best for you, and that you will find peace in the doing it. I'm very glad you have such a steady T. I'm sending many safe hugs your way. ((((((Kashley)))))

Love,

Beebs
Again, thank you to everyone for all of your support. I'm sorry it's taken me a couple days to find the time to sit down and reply to you all.

Monte - Yeah, the fact that there was nothing malicious in my wish is something my T has been trying to get me to see, as well as the fact that thoughts and actions are two very separate things. She apologized later for it, but my T actually said to me (she kept this thought to herself for at least half the session before sharing) that she actually wished the same thing when I told her about his surgery. She apologized at our next session which helped in some ways because hearing that from her (her wish) did make me hesitate and ultimately not call her when maybe it was warranted, but in other ways it actually helped. But her sharing that thought also helped me not feel so utterly horrible about it.

Maybe the day will come where I will want and feel ready to confront my mother, but I know I'm not there. Not anywhere close. I don't want to open up about what happened for the very same reasons that you don't. Frowner Thanks, Monte. I hope you are doing alright. ((hugs))

AG - It's kind of hard to hear that my thoughts are thoughts of anger, even though I know you're right. Anger seems so forbidden and horrible that if I have any thoughts or say anything that even remotely resembles anger I feel like I absolutely have to start backpedaling immediately. Something that just occurred to me is that I honestly didn't even recognize that there's any anger in my thought. It seems kind of ridiculous now that I wouldn't realize that. Honestly, I don't know how I couldn't..? My T keeps asking me, probably about every session, whether any anger has come up and I keep telling her, "No, no anger." Thank you for your support, AG.

Yaku - Oh, yes…I know I'm desperately avoiding having any conversations with T about developing any attachment. I feel silly for it, too, because I know how valuable attachment can be in this process. What's feels unfortunate to me right now is that I think I've been detaching a bit from T already. For most of the time that I've worked with her, having a break of 2 weeks has been hard, but it's easier now. In some ways I kind of feel like I don't care. Sometimes I wonder if I should just stop therapy now since I don't care and probably made all of this up anyway. I've been wondering that a lot lately. I know I shouldn't, and probably won't, but it's nonetheless something that I've been thinking about a lot.

Thanks, Yaku. You've got absolutely nothing to be sorry for. You're dealing with your own bad stuff. ((hugs))

Liese - No apologies necessary, Liese. I'd only posted this thread the day before you posted. I'm sorry you're dealing with this too regarding your brother. My father had to go back in to surgery a couple days ago to get rid of an infection, and I found myself wishing the same thing all over again and, like you, being secretly disappointed that it went well. One of the even harder things about this is that the couple friends I've told about what happened with my father (the surgery, not the other stuff) have been very supportive, but out of the expectation that I would be devastated. One of my friends told her church, and they've actually been sending me cards. This just amplifies how horrible I feel, because the expectation about how I *should* feel is so clear…and yet I don't feel that way!

I probably was projecting. Well, maybe disappointed isn't the right word either. I guess T was worried. T has repeatedly brought up me going down there and asking why I had to, and even in my last session, she still asked me if going down to see him was a done deal. My father manages a resort and has his own house on the grounds. I had asked a couple weeks ago if there were any spare guest rooms that I could have, rather than staying in the house with him and my mother. I was told I could have a separate room, but I found out yesterday that they had a bunch of people come in at the last minute, so I'm going to have to stay in the house. So far, that was the only 'protective measure' I'd come up with. A school-related excuse is a good idea, though, because I actually do have to study for an exam I have right after coming back. We'll see. Thanks for your help and the suggestions, Liese. ((hugs))

Starfish - You're too gracious toward me. Smiler Like I told AG, I literally did not even recognize my wishful thinking as anger. Anger is definitely so incredibly scary. But, like you, I know I should feel anger even though I don't. I'm also really glad I have my T…It's kind of another thing I've had to learn, though, is that I have people like my T (and of course you and everyone on the forum) who I can lean on for support. And when it's safe people, it brings such a warm feeling. So thank you. ((hugs))

LL - Another thing my T has been trying to get me to see is that I have the right to do things in my bests interests, just like you said. I always thought of myself as being so selfish and horrible and needy and always taking…but, at least when it comes to my mother, I'm seeing how maybe that's not the case. Even if it were to help me to tell her, I still don't want to do it, because I don't want to hurt her. I don't know if that will change if I ever feel anger about any of this, because there were times where she should have protected me and didn't. Thanks, LL. ((hugs))

TN - I've already been warned by my mother that I better be engaged while I'm down there and try to interact. The only thing I really want to commit to is doing enough to keep the peace and make it through the trip. I'm hoping can kind of manage my time in a way that works. I'm not worried about being unsafe physically, but I am worried about being safe verbally/emotionally, because that's always hard around my father. Hopefully it will go better than I am expecting. Thank you for being so supportive…it is definitely nice to know that I can reach out to such kind and caring people here. It means more than I can say. ((hugs))

BB - You're so kind in everything you say to me…it's just so hard to believe that I'm any of the things you say I am. Regardless, thank you for your endless support. And thank you for reminding me that I couldn't have caused what happened. It's just such a huge coincidence, but I know that's all it was. Hugs to you, Beebs. ((BB))

Thanks again to everyone for such tremendous support. I should have known that any fear I had about posting any of this was unwarranted.
Hey guys,

I'm sorry that I haven't updated sooner.

Thanksgiving was pretty hard. I dissociated more than I have in quite a while, experienced body memories, and also was shown another memory. I spent the entire trip on the verge of tears, and yet when I was interacting with my father, I would immediately and unconsciously switch all of that off so that I would be 'normal.' He was hard to be around because he was in pain but was also jealous because my mother was spending some time with me, so she wasn't there instantly at his every whim.

I felt totally stupid for going down there when I shared all of this with T today, but she didn't think that because I was trying to protect my mother from any punishment he may have doled out if I didn't go. She's too generous to me. But, in general, she regarded this trip as a setback, which is true. It was a very triggery, emotional setback. Of course, I barely felt any emotions in my session when I was sharing all of this with T. Which was incredibly frustrating, because I spent the whole weekend waiting, holding the tears back until I could shed them in the safety of her office. But when the time came, I was too shut down.

The hardest thing we discussed today revolved around the subject of bringing my father to court. This feels like an impossible thing to resolve, because I simply don't trust myself, don't trust my memories, enough to bring legal action against him. On the other hand, I cannot even imagine risking anything happening to any child, and I feel like an absolutely horrible person for not immediately confronting him with some sort of action, no matter the harm to me, if it would eliminate the risk to someone else. I expressed this to T, and she asked me if I felt ready to bring legal action against him tomorrow, if that were the case. I said no. So she said, then you're not ready and that's okay. I just can't see how it's okay. I can't imagine actually bringing legal action against him for various reasons, but it seems like I should just get over it. I can't see how T could ever *really* be okay with me not bringing him to court. She said she would be completely supportive of any decision I make, but I just can't see how she would be supportive of my inaction. I could be the cause of another person living life, feeling completely broken and worthless. But I don't know if I could do it.

Sorry, I think I probably just talked in circles there. I'm just feeling a lot of turmoil right now. T brought up how it was the first time we'd openly talked about prosecution, so it's okay to take time and have more discussions about it. I'm trying not to let my self-hate about all of this overrun me, but it's hard, especially when it seems like there's a 'right' road to take, and I'm just too afraid.
((((DF))))

Sorry for the delay, DF. I'm glad your Ts have been supportive of the decisions you've made regarding your parents. One the one hand it feels good to hear T say that she'd support me no matter what, but of course I also question that and think...really? It's a hard thing to truly take to heart.

Thanks for the support. The turmoil over this stuff, on top of 7 exams and 2 presentations over the next couple weeks, is just tearing me apart.

On a positive note, since my mother is down taking care of my father, I have gotten to keep the dog with me for the past month. Smiler And it's looking like I'll probably have him through Christmas, too. So it's nice to cuddle up with something as sweet and forgiving as a dog.

Many, many hugs to you, DF.

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