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Last session was T was so good but the better my sessions, the more sadder I feel outside of session.

This compassion, like for a lot of us here, is something so new and almost alien-like.

I'm worried however, that these feelings of loneliness will pervade too much in my daily life.

For instance, today, on the way back home, I felt low, lonely, sad, I had to let out my sadness on the train and cry. I was thinking of T and the hurt on leaving her...the realization that I don't let myself go because of fear of feeling loss which has happened so many times in my childhood along with disappointments that I've become extremely emotionally sensitive to it.

I see T next week and I trust she will be there...but I'm starting to worry that I'm 'regressing' into a sort of infant like state where I want her there all the time and even just weekly waits will be too much for me to handle.

All my life I have been in seclusion and I'm simply worried that these feelings that I cannot deal with too well (at all!) will pour out and I will start to feel chaotic etc.

As an example of how it gets, I became suicidal when I had to leave for University in another county. I didn't realize it at the time as it threw me but I had an extremely strong transference to T. I had never been suicidal before but those 2 weeks...well, the first week started off as depression which made me feel entirely empty, very alone in which I panicked a bit...I didn't know how to deal with such strong feelings. The 2nd week consisted of being bed ridden out of depression that came over me very quickly, suicidal thoughts/gestures/attempt to starvation upon one day, self-harming and texts to friends worried that I wouldn't make it. I didn't end up going to Uni. The feelings were too much. I thought I was going to die.

I've told T this.

I'm getting to a point where I'm slowly realizing how pathetic my parents were and how unloving and selfish they were blah blah. But above this, which makes me worry a lot, is that throughout childhood, I don't think I had one single good role model. The family I loved lived in America (I'm in the UK)so the happiness there was rare felt. Teachers yes, but I never got close to them. And now as I've grown older I've realized that even my family in America arn't at all that great. They've kept secrets and are the type of family who brush emotions of conflict under the carpet. They're all insecure and not emotional enough to understand what I go through. I feel cut off..

I mean..when you start to realize the tragedies in your life, how real they were, were you ever worried if you'd fly off the handle so to speak? I'm worried that there will be too much emotional flooding because I have also realized that the reasons why I feel so much in conflict ever day is because there's that inner child girl who wants Mum and Dad and then there's the robust, adult, attempting to be responsible because thats what society asks. It's a quick world out there...

What do you do when you get those moments of new emotions that you feel you cannot handle or are scared of? Do you spend time with friends? Watch a movie? Write?

I'd just like to know because I think I've been raeching some good crossroads lately but scary ones too.

And I've been indifferent to my abuse most of my life, preferring solitude over anything else to help me through tough times. Solitude and intellectualization. Well now I think some of that might be breaking away and I'm noticing how EXTREMELY emotionally sensitive I am to rejection, abandonment especially, all that..

I feel a bit pathetic writing this because all of us on here have gone through this and are going through it. I guess I'm just starting to realize that the indifference I have is a result of actually surpassing such strong emotions in order to survive. To go back and deal with those emotions is a very hard and almost impossible phase to be going through.

Any advice on how I could help myself when strong emotions might come to the surface is greatly appreciated Smiler Thank you Smiler
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I mean..when you start to realize the tragedies in your life, how real they were, were you ever worried if you'd fly off the handle so to speak?


Yes, when I finally realized my mom had NPD, I had a week or two where I felt physically ill and could hardly sleep or eat, or concentrate on anything. The grief seemed endless but it wasn't. The only thing that helped me was to think of it like having the flu. You can't control how awful you feel when you have the flu, but you can trust your body to know how to get through it, and take care of yourself in the mean time.

It's the same with you. Your T's compassion has finally given your brain what it needs to start the healing process. Your job is to do whatever you can to support it. Go for a walk somewhere beautiful. Talk on the phone, online, or visit with anyone you like spending time with. Listen to music you like. Take long baths. Whatever feels good to you, and feel your feelings in whatever amount you can feel them at a given moment.

I'm sorry that it has to be so painful, though Frowner
Forgetmenot, you hit the nail on the head for how I've been feeling the last couple of months. I've fi ally "settled" into therapy (after a year) and have let myself be slightly vulnerable and more open, and I do feel sadder. It's not a depressed sad - I think it's a real sad and not the numbed out depression. It's a sad that hurts, but doesn't make me feel hopeless and like I want to end things. Compassion is a good word. I am moved more by the smallest things in life that before would go unnoticed. When I don't have to work during the week or on breaks, it's a good sad that let's me feel and reflect on life and all the muck and joy. Being so busy and stressed with work causes way more anxiety. I hate that part. Thanks for your post!

I could have written your post just about word for word.
I'm going through this now too.
I've been reading poetry, going on walks when I can, listening to music, reading psych articles, talking/messaging friends, writing my journal notes for therapy, reflecting on certain things in my life, spending some time with my kids, and trying to find something funny to laugh about.
I hope this helps you in some way.
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And I've been indifferent to my abuse most of my life, preferring solitude over anything else to help me through tough times. Solitude and intellectualization. Well now I think some of that might be breaking away and I'm noticing how EXTREMELY emotionally sensitive I am to rejection, abandonment especially, all that..


Oh, yes. I may have mentioned this before, but those that are intelligent and talented tend to put a lot of energy into building a sense of self that comes from accomplishment/mastering skills, getting good grades, etc. Then when we try to figure out how this all "translates" into the world at large, what our place is in the scheme of thingss... that can be a difficult transition. It is for me. Also, divorce, changes or shifts in our adult relationships can have a profound affect on the fears you mentioned as well. Then we throw in the childhood stuff... Sorting it all out can be painful. I'm not even sure I'm touching the surface here.

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I guess I'm just starting to realize that the indifference I have is a result of actually surpassing such strong emotions in order to survive. To go back and deal with those emotions is a very hard and almost impossible phase to be going through.


I am not entirely certain I have anything to add to this, as I am going through the same. I do not think it is pathetic at all. I'm coming to terms with a lot this past year or so. More on this as it comes- ideas or insights, etc. Keep yours flowing!

Oh, yes, how do I cope?
1. Snowboarding
2. Writing
3. Focus on my work/marketing/something that scares me
4. Watch a simple action movie. No dramas, n chick flicks.
5. This forum
Thanks for replies! Smiler

I so easily snap back into the isolation thing. I really don't quite know how my emotional mind is working at the moment. The other day I thought I was completely fine. Nothing wrong with me. Hey presto, I'm whole!

I then doubt all the past emotions.

I don't quite know what to do when I'm in the midst of feeling because I worry that if I do something to subside it, I actually train myself to be indenial of it. So I need to gain the balance in feeling and doing.

I usually snap back to solitude. Getting out of it can sometimes be hard. Sometimes it makes me sad to get out there. I left to go to my induction for Uni today and before I left, I felt a bit alone and sad...as if there was nothing out there for me. I boarded the train during rush hour and I felt like we were all in our own hubs and we were alone sort of. The feeling did subside..but getting out there I think reminded me of times when I'd go to school and I'd feel the same feeling. I didn't like school. Bullied and so forth. I'd enter school feeling cut off and down. I'd get through the day and become more involved but waking up in the morning was sad for me. Things weren't right. I start to realize how lonely it all was and how I'd get used to that light empty feeling in my body..
Hi forgetmenot,
I felt that I could have written a lot of your post. Very similar threads going on in me.

I fear the intensity of the feelings that I now have on realiszing the full extent of the pain of not having loving caring supportive parents, the pain of the isolation I have felt for decades, the need of my T, the loss when he is not there, the difficulty reconciling my competent adult working self with the wounded sobbing abandoned child I carry inside. It is all very hard.

You ask for tips on how to handle the strong feelings.

Hummm.

I have various strategies, depending on the sort of awful feeling it is.

1. Sometimes I ring Samaritans, they are very nice to talk to on the whole (some of them are useless but most are good enough) and just tell them how I feel so I don't feel so alone.

2. sometimes I go to bed, but that usually makes it worse unless I sleep.

3. I text my T and tell HIM how bad I feel. ( I like this one. Smiler )

4. I put on music with a heavy uplift beat

5. I do something that requires a lot of attention (eg quilting or playing a musical instrument)

6. I make a low calorie hot chocolate = comfort food.

7. I write how bad I feel in my journal.

8. I blog about how I am feeling sometimes

9. I come on here and let off steam by writing it down - either to a friend on this forum or another forum.

10. |I remind myself that these feelings feel overwhelming but that i am not going to be overwhelmed, they just feel huge and over whelming and that they eventually pass. they do not stay for ever. they move and shift and change.

11. Sometimes I just sit and let the feelings be and watch them curiously like one would watch the swirling patterns of water on the surface of a river. Nothing to be frightened or and quite interesting really. I try to be kind too when I observe my feelings.

12. I cry.

13. I want to say that I go swim but actually if I am feeling really strong feelings I tend to start crying in the pool and that is slightly awkward.

14. I remember to ground myself through my feet and actually stand and feel my body weight drop downwards and feel the planet and be aware of the earth.

15. I sing along to a tune on the radio or stereo.

16. I draw my feelings - with colour.

17. I write it all out to give to my T when I next see him - so that he knows.

18. I remind myself that I am courageous and that I have got through so much so far and I am amazing at handling very strong pain and emotion and not going under. (I am good at little pep talks to myself. Smiler kindly. )


I can't think of anymore right now. Hope these are helpful.
Ah sadly this is lovely, thank you. Smiler They were some lovely tips.

I do write in a blog at the moment which is helpful. I have a blog for therapy and then a random bits and bobs blog.

The problem I have is that I've got used to a state of indifference so that when I feel emotions, I'm not sure if they are real or not...coupled with the fact that I OCD on thinking anyway. I think my thoughts speed up the more emotional I become..I'm not sure though.

I don't know what's under there. T looks like she's at a loss sometimes. Last session I told her that I didn't know how I felt about stuff and that she must be patient with me...that's its guesswork and even when I do feel, I doubt the emotion after its passed.

I don't ever feel desperate. I feel most comfortable when I'm alone in my room. I used to shut myself in my room at home for years.

You remember that terrible video of that mother who was being racist on the train. It went viral about 2 months ago or so. Well, if you watched it, you see she has a son sitting on her lap. And he just doesn't react at all to her shouting and verbal attacks. I think I became like this very early on...Arguments just didn't have an impact on me because I was used to them..

So to actually fathom a feeling from what went on is hard.

Anywho thanks again Smiler
I'm sorry forgetmenot that you find it hard to know what you are feeling. I think that is normal too. Most of us here can be confused about what we are feeling as we have learnt to put the feelings away and live as best we could with what was confusingly going on around us.

I do find that in therapy I get better at it with time passing. I started recording my sessions about a year ago and the first session I really felt that I was listening to me 'pretending' to have feelings. but over time I learnt that I am actually really having feelings in that room, but I am so used to feeling a bit removed from my feelings that I kept stepping away from myself and observing suspiciously almost. The recordings are great in that I have really come to love and believe the parts of me that are most hidden but come out and speak and feel in that room with my T. I think I have been able to befriend those parts of me quicker, by listening to the sessions again later.

I find it very similar to playing the trumpet. First time on a piece, it feels weird, but I am doing my best. Second time I am more at ease with the strange new sound, third time I am actually in tune with it and no dissonence. (can't spell that)

At the moment I am going through a weird bit where I have a feeling but I am not sure what it is - it is provoked by feeling loved by my T. This new weird feeling is totally unfamiliar so I have no idea what it is. It feels weird and clumsy and awkward and even a bit unreal or fake. I just am tip toe ing around it, giving a little space and then retreating again.

I think it is the very littlest most hurt me trying to summon up the courage to talk to my T. How on earth she will talk or communicate is beyond me, as that part of me is very closed off and silent and scared and hurting. But that part of me is watching him, sitting very still and watching him and wondering/hoping if there is a way to reach out to him and communicate from here.

Have no idea if that makes sense.

If it helps, great, if it makes no sense - oh well, just have a hug instead Smiler

Hey Sadly,

That totally makes sense. The part where you talk about the inner child sort of seeing how she can talk to T without being scared...that's me.

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I think it is the very littlest most hurt me trying to summon up the courage to talk to my T. How on earth she will talk or communicate is beyond me, as that part of me is very closed off and silent and scared and hurting. But that part of me is watching him, sitting very still and watching him and wondering/hoping if there is a way to reach out to him and communicate from here.


Last session I think I attempted to expose that vulnerable side but it was scary, shameful, awkward, cliche and embarrassing all at the same time.

I can't tell her I miss her or need her. It's too scary. I'm dependent but I keep it all in check, all those vulnerabilities. Last session I started crying and said I had not experienced compassion this way before. She didn't say anything and just watched and suddenly my mind was saying 'This is embarassing. Close off! Don't be pathetic. You can't cry in front of her. You just can't'. Quickly after that I gathered myself and became the composed, 'with it' girl that I am with people.

It's very scary to be exposed like that. I say sorry countless times when I cry. And looking back I'm not even sure if it was real.

Thanks for your words though. Hopefully in time things will start to click. Just feel very fragmented really.
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I can't tell her I miss her or need her. It's too scary. I'm dependent but I keep it all in check, all those vulnerabilities. Last session I started crying and said I had not experienced compassion this way before. She didn't say anything and just watched and suddenly my mind was saying 'This is embarassing. Close off! Don't be pathetic. You can't cry in front of her. You just can't'. Quickly after that I gathered myself and became the composed, 'with it' girl that I am with people.


I used to find it excrutiating to admit that I missed him. But now I say all the time things like "Oh it was so bad trying to sleep last night as I was missing you so much." or "I just ached to see you, I wanted to hear your voice and see you .". "I find the gap between seeing you too long. It hurts in my heart." "I ache in my heart when I don't see you." and I admit to him how little those feelings feel, like I am a very small child. I have also told him that sometimes I have to imagine being a small child/baby and lying on his chest, listening to his heart beat. He was not fazed at all by hearing that. He thought it was a very natural responce considering what I have been through. [I have not yet dared to ask him if I can record his heart beat though. LOL]

I find that having this "Little ME" needs OUT in the open, so refreshing. It is now quite normal to talk about this stuff. We treat it as normal stuff in our session. Where ELSE can one talk about such little young needs?

And I love the way he NORMALISES these feelings wants, needs and longings.

Also, and I find this interesting to note, I LIKE crying now infront of him.

Yes. I like it.

How come?

I think it is such a safe feeling now, to cry and feel hurting and know that not only am I prefectly safe (and I feel so SAFE with him) but also, he feels such tenderness towards me when I cry, even when there are tears rolling down my face and I am making no sound. He HAS TAUGHT ME TO BE TENDER AND KIND TO MYSELF WHEN I AM CRYING, BY BEING THAT TO ME. I have picked that up off him.

Brilliant or what!

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