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I have been struggling with a difficult subject for the past few months and it has literally taken over my life. I have become "obsessed" with my my T and initially went into therapy because of attachment issues with other people in the past, but neither she nor I realized (at least she seemed as shocked as I was when I told her about it) that I would become emotionally attached to her. I don't think she took me all that seriously or realized the progressive nature of my attachment from where it starts out as random intrusive thoughts and ends up as this OCD thing where I can't get thoughts of her out of my head and then I am searching for stuff about her on the internet to relieve the anxiety about the obsession, which then just really creates more anxiety. I know where she lives (never driven by her house, though--and don't plan on it either). I have seen a photo of her husband online and know where he works as well as his professional bio info posted on his employer's web page which tells some stuff about where they have lived throughout the country. I know all of her grown children's names and ages, their spouses names, some of their children's names and where they live. I know where she and her husband both grew up, her parents' names, her in-laws' names, each of their siblings' names. I've seen some photos of all but one of her sons and his wife and two of their kids. I know that one of her sons has lived with a bunch of different women and that he has had a drinking problem, which are both highly looked down on in our religious organization (that's the main thing I don't like knowing, and feel that she would feel threatened by knowing that I know, as she also runs an alcohol/substance abuse recovery program at the hospital). I could go on, but you get the idea, and that mostly sums it up. I don't know her birthday, much personal info about her (i.e. her interests, likes, dislikes, etc.). It's all fairly impersonal stuff, if you know what I mean. It's free, publicly available info and I wouldn't pay to learn more about her. I don't stalk this woman (unless what I've done by searching this stuff is considered stalking), I just want to know as much as I can about her. She doesn't disclose much, although she has confirmed certain things that I have found out about her online during some of our conversations without knowing that she is confirming them.

Anyway, I feel a lot of shame and guilt over this. So much so that I feel like I absolutely have to tell her about it. Last session I told her I have OCD and I just don't think she really believes me about the Compulsive part. I told her I have obsessive thoughts about her and she was a bit surprised. So I am feeling that maybe I need to spill ALL of the beans and just tell her everything. But part of me (and it's a fairly strong and seemingly large part) is terrified that if I do, she's going to absolutely freak out and tell me to get the he** out of her office and never come back. The other part of me feels that I need to do this because if that is her reaction at least I will know that she is not the therapist to help me deal with my abandonment/attachment issues and I will be "free" to look for someone who can. It's all really terrifying though. Frowner

She has been not really focused on any one sort of therapy with me. She's a real advice giver, which sometimes I really like. She listens to me, sometimes self-discloses, but it's only stuff that is relevant to what she's working through with me at the time, and is a caring and genuine lady. She's a very motherly type and I think I need that. She has told me she doesn't want me to be too dependent on her, which makes me worry that if she understands just how much I am attached/obsessed with her, she will dump me. I think she is mostly CBT based, as she started schema therapy with me, but she also does EMDR and likely a few different things as she works with trauma victims a lot.

Anyway, someone mentioned to me in a reply to another of my posts that some of you have disclosed to your Ts that you have searched them online and that some have had positive experiences with your Ts. I guess I'm really looking for some hope and encouragement and some positive "energy" to get me psyched up enough to actually go through with this. Also, I can't decided whether to do it through a letter, or verbally. I easily get tongue-tied (or maybe tear-tied would be a better description) and my brain sort of freezes up when faced with frightening situations like this so that I don't think clearly and probably wouldn't remember even a quarter of what I need to talk to her about.

Anyway, any helpful advice or even just experiences good or bad would be appreciated. I want to know what I am really up against here, for better or worse! Eeker

Thanks!
MTF
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Well, MTF, I can say that I have gleaned about as much information on my T as you have on yours through Google, but I haven't discussed it with my T as of yet. So maybe it is inappropriate for me to encourage you to do something I haven't done. However, I see a few differences between our situations which might make it more worth your while to disclose it. First, in my case I am already sure my T would not be surprised to find out I have tried to research her. In fact, she would probably be more surprised if I hadn't tried, because she knows my suspicious nature and also how much time I waste on the computer every day! Second, my T has tried to assure me several times that its OK to be dependent on her for awhile. I really need to hear that, because even with her saying it I struggle. If I had a T that openly discouraged dependence from the start, it just would never work out for me. I would quit. It sounds like it is important to you as well to not be criticized for the dependence. So you need to find out, however painful it might be, whether your T can support you in this way, because if she can't you are only prolonging the misery and wasting your time spinning your wheels. What I am trying to say (sorry for being a bit long-winded) is that if you disclosed your googling activity to your T, it would sort of be like a test for her whether she could handle it well without overreacting. If she freaks out or feels threatened, bitter pill to swallow but she probably isn't going to be the T you need her to be. If she does work with trauma patients a lot, like you mentioned, then I would hope she would have some training on attachment issues. Maybe she would react better than you imagine, and in that case your fears would be allayed. Either way, I think you need to know, because it's holding you back. Just my two cents.
Hi More Than Fine!
I don't think I've had a chance to welcome you to the forums, so welcome! I'm one of the people who had a good experience telling my T I googled him. I'm out of town visiting my daughter at college and don't have a lot of time so if you don't mind I'm going to provide links to old posts I've written about the experience.

Struggling with Boundaries in Therapy

Update on Transference

AG
Mad Hatter:

Thank you for your two cents. Wink Your words have echoed my own feelings about the matter and I too have felt that disclosing my internet searching activity to my T is the best "test" for gauging how much help she can really give me. I really needed to hear it from someone else who knows what I'm going through, or can at least understand it and not think I'm crazy! Your insight and opinion are greatly appreciated. Big Grin Thanks!!!

Attachment Girl:

Thanks for the welcome, and thank you for the links! I've enjoyed reading a lot of your posts on the forum and seeing how much you've grown through your therapy experiences. It's awesome! Smiler

I gained a lot of courage reading the threads in the posts above and appreciate all the contributions from everyone. It helps me so much to know I'm not alone. I sometimes feel like a serious freak because I've had transference issues on and off my whole life without knowing what it was, and thinking something terrible was wrong with me. My T says it's normal to be attached to teachers, but I think she is more worried about the PT guy and my attachment to her, although I sometimes feel like she's in denial that I have an attachment to her. I think that's what's bugging me the most is that she hasn't really opened that can of worms with me yet and I don't even think she plans to. I feel like in order for me to know without a doubt that she REALLY FOR SURE knows I'm attached to her (call in transference, obsession, whatever) I'm going to have to spell it out in very bold capital letters so there is no mistaking it this time. Like you said, Mad Hatter, I need to find out whether or not she can support me in my healing because I'm miserable and not making any progress and the not knowing is keeping me stuck just spinning my wheels and prolonging the misery. Frowner Unfortunately I have to wait almost 2 weeks until my next appointment. I hope I don't commit myself to the state hospital before then...

Thanks again, ladies!!!

MTF
Hi MTF,

You are getting lots of good encouragement from everyone! I don't have the experience of telling my T I've searched them on-line, but I could really relate to this:
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Originally posted by MTF:
I easily get tongue-tied (or maybe tear-tied would be a better description) and my brain sort of freezes up when faced with frightening situations like this so that I don't think clearly and probably wouldn't remember even a quarter of what I need to talk to her about.

Me too! I've been journaling like crazy ever since I started therapy. It really helps to organize my thoughts. I actually bring my journaling with me to every session in a tote bag in case I need to refer to it. We're supposed to bring our "baggage" to therapy, right? Well, with me, it's really obvious! LOL Wink Sometimes I think it will be a sign that I'm getting better, if it ever gets lighter... Smiler

So I would also encourage you to write out what you want to say in the session ahead of time and bring it with you in case you are too afraid to speak clearly. You could even just hand her the note if you freeze up entirely. Several people on this board have had success communicating with their T's that way.
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Originally posted by Mad Hatter:
If I had a T that openly discouraged dependence from the start, it just would never work out for me. I would quit. It sounds like it is important to you as well to not be criticized for the dependence. So you need to find out, however painful it might be, whether your T can support you in this way, because if she can't you are only prolonging the misery and wasting your time spinning your wheels.

I haven't searched my current T on-line, but with my former T, I did. He was one who openly discouraged dependence from the start, and I wanted to quit several times. I was willing to tell him about the searching and everything else, and like you I had so much trouble speaking up. Finally I did send him a note about how I was getting distracted in sessions by something he was wearing, just to open up the subject enough to be able to tell the rest when I got there - and I did find out that he couldn't support me this way. It was really painful to find this out, but it led to finding a T who does understand - and the more I see her, the more grateful I am to not have that miserable, wheel-spinning feeling anymore.

It takes a TON of courage to admit this to your T, so no matter how it turns out, you will grow from the experience. I hope this gives you some encouragement in case you get the reaction you fear...but I'm still hoping you get the one that feels better! Big Grin Either way we will be here to cheer you on, and like you said, that's worth a lot. I know it has been invaluable to me.

Take care,
SG
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Originally posted by monte:
Personally I think a letter beforehand is often helpful, unless you have confidence in your ability to verbalise thoroughly on the day.... Also, given the importance of the topic and your nervousness, certain expressions from her - verbal, facial, whatever - could send your courage and clarity scuttling for cover. This much I know from experience.


Monte:
I am vacillating between a letter beforehand and just having one to give her when I get there if I can't think on my feet. But the way you put it, about certain expressions from her and how that might make me react to her reactions, causes me to think I might just be better off sending her a letter sometime this week so she has some time to think about whether or not she can deal with me and prepare herself to respond, etc. Ugh...I hate these kinds of agonizing decisions!!! Thanks for your input. Good luck when you get in to see your T! Smiler

Strummergirl,
I am glad that although your experience of trying to work through your issues with you ex-T was painful, it ultimately led you to the wonderful new T that you are working with now. That is the kind of success story that gives me hope that if my T isn't the "one" for me, I will be blessed to find the one that IS!! Yeah, the miserable, wheel-spinning feeling has got to go!!! Wink

Thanks so much for your support everyone. I so appreciate the concern and encouragement and the camaraderie I feel on these boards. So nice to not be alone with my issues! Wink

MTF

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